LDS Temples and other questions

[Casen]

I’ve heard the “judges” explanation several times but if you read those scriptures in contexet it doesn’t hold up.

 

[Ziggy]

Casen:

I’ve heard the “judges” explanation several times but if you read those scriptures in contexet it doesn’t hold up.

hmm… context… did someone say context ? ok… I’m an amateur, so excuse me if I embarrass myself. But Psalm 82 doesn’t end at verse 6…i believe verse 7 is

“Yet like any mortal you shall die; like any prince you shall fall.” hmmm… that doesn’t sound too heavenly or godly for that matter.

and in John 10:34, they are going to stone Jesus for blasphemy for saying he is the Son of God… but he references Psalms to show that the term god or son of god has been used in scripture to show the intimate relationship between God and creation, whether they be judges or rulers(either way they are obviously mortal and not like god).

Again, just an amateur but that is my humble opinion. I would refer you to CCC 441, 526, and 591. God Bless

 

[iwonder]

Casen:

Michels said, You say that you TRY to attend the temple once a week, well that is probably why you don’t know your stuff very well. I know I wouldn’t take advice on what the Catholic Church teaches from someone who can’t even make it to mass every week…

Your question reveals how little you know about my religion, yet you feel qualified to speak about it. As Karen pointed out, temple attendance for LDS is different than attending church meetings on Sunday. In fact, LDS temples aren’t even open on Sunday’s because we’re encouraged to attend to our church meetings. It’s interesting to me that you claim to know the intricate similarities between LDS temple practices and Free Masonry yet you don’t even know the most basic facts about the church. And I thought it was funny that after I wrote that Journal of Discourses was NOT official church doctrine that you went on to quote it as further evidence of your point. Anyway, before I spend any more time responding to you could you please tell me how old you are? I’m I’m guessing early teens. If you’re older and would like to know the truth (as opposed to what you read from anti-mormon websites) I’ll try to help you.

Mom of 5,
Canonized church doctrine for LDS is found in the Bible (KJV), Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price, which are called the “Standard Works”. Eternal Progression is indeed taught in all the Standard Works but what exactly that means is up to interpretation. It’s definitely NOT church doctrine that we get a planet if we’re “good”. I think this is often thrown out by anti-mormon types for it’s shock value in an effort to make LDS theology sound absurd.

Some have speculated that God can “progress”, but only in the sense that he gains glory when his children become like him. But not in the sense that he can learn since we believe that he is omnipotent and perfect.

For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.
(Pearl of Great Price | Moses 1:39)

Likewise, we are taught in the scriptures that we can become LIKE God…

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
(Old Testament | Psalms 82:6)

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
(New Testament | John 10:34)

These scriptures are in your bible too! Since both the New and Old Testaments say we can become “gods” what does that mean? Well, we don’t know exactly but generally I think it fair to say the LDS concept of becoming a god (little g) is similar to the Catholic doctrine of Sainthood. In other words, to us there is only ONE GOD (big G) but we can become “like” God, our Heavenly Father in some sense (little g). Christ said that his disciples would inherit “all that the Father hath.” However, what that means exactly is just speculation, not official doctrine.

RE: My husband says that the LDS church was built on sand…continually shifting to fit the moment.

Nope, our doctrine is built on our standard works, which don’t change much. However, we do not believe the heavens are sealed. We believe in a living Prophet that can receive revelation and add to the scriptures if God so desires. New revelations are added to the Doctrine and Covenants. I believe the last thing added to the D&C was in 1978.

If it is only anti mormonists who talk about getting planets, could you please explain what Kolob is doing as the major destination in the Book of Mormon? Can any of you answer a direct question at all? Can you do anything but evade? I have asked what is eternal progression: much arguing among you and it’s open to interpretation. I’ve asked what is Kolob? Much arguing and it’s open to interpretation. Have you Mormons yourselves ever actually read the Book of Mormon, for none of you seem to know what’s in it, for heaven’s sake. And then you are angry when Catholics cannot make heads nor tails of anything you say. Is this a joke religion or what?

 

[BJ_Colbert]

iwonder:

If it is only anti mormonists who talk about getting planets, could you please explain what Kolob is doing as the major destination in the Book of Mormon? Can any of you answer a direct question at all? Can you do anything but evade? I have asked what is eternal progression: much arguing among you and it’s open to interpretation. I’ve asked what is Kolob? Much arguing and it’s open to interpretation. Have you Mormons yourselves ever actually read the Book of Mormon, for none of you seem to know what’s in it, for heaven’s sake. And then you are angry when Catholics cannot make heads nor tails of anything you say. Is this a joke religion or what?

I your religion a joke religion? Have you read any of the other posts where the things you are asking about are explained in detail? The only place I have found Kolob mentioned is a brief verse in the Pearl of Great Price, where it says it is a star very near where God dwells. That is the only place I know of where it is mentioned, so it is not a major destination in the Book of Mormon. It is not a destination at all in any book. Why don’t you read something before you post nonsense like that? I personally posted the whole section where Kolob appears, and there was no more questions by anyone after that. Read carefully through all the posts in the LDS section especially answers by Tom Nosser and Casen and a couple of other knowlegeable Mormons. You obviously have not read the Book of Mormon, or you would know there is nothing about Kolob in it. Which thread did you ask about Kolob in, I have never seen a post from you at all until today. I and others have explained till we’re blue in the face every question asked of us and you have not bothered to read the posts and now accuse us of not answering. Plain silliness BJ

PS. Try a civil tone next time, most of us are conversing very civily and learning from each other. Posts like yours cause discension among religions. Is that what you learned in your Catholic Parish? Is that how Jesus would want you to act? I don’t think so.

 

[iwonder]

BJ Colbert:

I your religion a joke religion? Have you read any of the other posts where the things you are asking about are explained in detail? The only place I have found Kolob mentioned is a brief verse in the Pearl of Great Price, where it says it is a star very near where God dwells. That is the only place I know of where it is mentioned, so it is not a major destination in the Book of Mormon. It is not a destination at all in any book. Why don’t you read something before you post nonsense like that? I personally posted the whole section where Kolob appears, and there was no more questions by anyone after that. Read carefully through all the posts in the LDS section especially answers by Tom Nosser and Casen and a couple of other knowlegeable Mormons. You obviously have not read the Book of Mormon, or you would know there is nothing about Kolob in it. Which thread did you ask about Kolob in, I have never seen a post from you at all until today. I and others have explained till we’re blue in the face every question asked of us and you have not bothered to read the posts and now accuse us of not answering. Plain silliness BJ

PS. Try a civil tone next time, most of us are conversing very civily and learning from each other. Posts like yours cause discension among religions. Is that what you learned in your Catholic Parish? Is that how Jesus would want you to act? I don’t think so.

Again, you fail to explain. I ask you again what is Kolob? What is it’s significance? What is eternal progression? All you answer is what has been answered before on other posts: that you have already explained it and we are not civil. You have not yet answered anything. What you have done is taken a question as an insult. Now if my posts cause dissension, maybe that is good. Perhaps there definately needs to be dissension between Catholic and Mormons. For instance, it was stated earlier that Joseph Smith was not into much Free Masonry and that is simply untrue. It was stated that the definative books on Mormon theology are the Pearl of Great Price, the Discourses and the re written Bible. Do these not make up the book of Mormon? Try to remember that I am not a mormon so my questions may sound insulting to someone so full of mormon knowledge. What I am trying to do, and I’m sure I don’t know why, is understand something that makes absolutely no sense to me while being told that no one has the answer really anyway and I am uncivil for asking.
I believe in the Pearl of Great Price or the Book of Mormon, it does state that men reaching their Godhood and sealed will live upon a star near Kolob and their descendants and ancestors as well through eternal progression. Is this truly what Mormons believe? Can you simply state a yes or a no, perhaps.

 

[iwonder]

Again, she misleads and evades. I gave up on receiving sensible answer here and went to the official LDS website in Salt Lake City. Kolob is indeed very important- it is where God the Father resides. His spiritual children, sealed, will occupy various celestial places ( these consist of actual matter, not spirit) around Kolob. How close they come to Kolob is dependent upon their degrees of heaven acheived.

This comes from their link on the website under beliefs. Click on that and then type Kolob on the search engine. Up pops many references to Kolob from Discourses, ancient texts, and the Pearl of Great Price.

So, it would appear that the last answer I received was untruthful to put it charitably. But I must try to be civil and ignore it the untruths.

 

[iwonder]

BJ Colbert:

I agree, with the other Mormons, in that I have never been taught this concept of having a planet of my own, but I believe that Teri’s family must have heard this from some misguided teacher at one time or another. Obviously, whomever was doing the teaching of this family had strayed away from the mainstream beliefs of the LDS Church.
Eternal progression, on the other hand is a belief of the Church and is taught, in regards to continually studying scripture and doing good works and following the example of our Saviour Jesus Christ. We hope to become like Him someday. We know that most of us may not make it, but that is why He sacrificed His life, so that we may repent of our sins and follow Him. There is always hope shining brightly before us, and we know that it is possible to be with our Father in Heaven some day. This is eternal progression, and I think Catholics believe that they will too will be with God when they pass into eternity. BJ

Oh, if you will go to the official LDS website in salt lake city and click on Doctrines and then enter Kolob on the search engine, you will be given the references to having a planet of one’s own. Why you as a Mormon don’t know it when the info is so easily accessed by every Tom, Dick and Harry, is not comprehensible to me. The misguided teacher was whoever wrote the doctrine on the official website. Go- click on doctrines and search. Go see for yourself.

 

[boppysbud]

Actually there is a Mormon temple (of sorts) located at Independence Mo.

The main group of Mormons have a couple of large problems with it however.

1, It belongs to the Community of Christ (Reorganised Mormons), not the COJCOLDS. And the COJCLDS does not recognise the Community of Christ as being legitimate Mormons.

2, This temple is simply a large meeting house where regular worship services take place. The Independence temple does not hold the rites that are considered by regular Mormons to be the raison d’etre for a temple. They do not do “endowments” there. There are no “sealings” held there, no marriages “for time and eternity” are held there. They have no baptisms for the dead there. Actually the Community of Christ does not hold those rites anywhere at all.

More importantly to me anyway everyone is welcome to attend services there, even non members of the Community of Christ. Temple recomends are not even spoken of at the Independence temple, they do not “check your papers” at the door.