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For those Catholics who may be getting sucked into the “The Temple is so beautiful” hooey, let me testify to you as an ex-Mormon Catholic that it is NOT beautiful. It is peaceful, yes, as is any place away from the world’s noise and commotion. Everyone wears white and you aren’t even allowed to wear street shoes so the carpet is pristine.

However, it is not at all spiritual. They keep talking about how they “feel” while they are there, but they neglect to talk about the truth of their doctrine. The “symbols” they keep talking about are based in Masonic rituals, the story of creation is based on the fiction of the Book of Abraham, and what they are doing in the Temple is ordinance work for the dead. Mormons are taking names from the church records from genealogical research, some of which are taken from Catholic church records, and having these people posthumously baptized and confirmed as Mormons and giving them these “blessings” of learning these secret Masonic handshakes and code phrases.

The forces of all that are unholy are blinding these sincere, but deluded Mormons into believing that by going through these rituals of handshakes and videos and putting on little green aprons that they are saving souls of those who were not “Good Enough” to warrant going through these ceremonies on earth. They’re “converting” the dead to Mormonism in these temples. Both Catholics and Jews have been highly offended at their records being taken and used for this purpose. The Vatican has written to Catholic dioceses around the world telling them not to provide parish records to the Genealogical Society of Utah. And the LDS church was shamed into apologizing to the families of holocaust victims for performing these ceremonies on their behalf.

Do not let these lies, created by the father of lies, distract you from the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, that resides in the tabernacles of the Catholic church. He is veiled, but NOT given only to those who are “found worthy”. We can go to Confession and become right with God and be in intimate union with Him every single day. We can adore Him in adoration and we can sing His praises in Mass. Our ceremonies can be experienced by everyone, even those who are not Catholic - even if non-Catholics cannot participate in the Eucharist, they can still witness the consecration. And Blessed be God for that grace, as I received the grace of conversion during a friend’s wedding, at the Consecration of the Blessed Sacrament.

As the Cure of Ars used to say, He’s Really There. **He’s. Really. There.
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Catholics believe Christ when he said “THIS IS MY BODY.” That is not symbolism or a warm fuzzy feeling. To paraphrase one of my beloved priests, Christ said it, I believe it, close the book.

May the Heart of Jesus, in the Most Blessed Sacrament of the altar, be praised, adored, and loved with grateful affection, at every moment, in all the tabernacles of the world, even to the end of time. Amen.
I will only add an experience of my own. One of our parish members, a convert from Mormonism, was asked by our priest who is not from Utah and isn’t familiar with Mormonism, at all, “what do Mormons do in that temple up the street?” the parish member replied, “they learn secret signs and symbols that they believe are required for them to enter into heaven, let me show you one”…he started to show him a handshake, and our kind priest got all creeped out, shook his hand away, and said “don’t do that!”

That, my deaf friends, is the best response I’ve seen to Mormon anything, ever.
 
I will only add an experience of my own. One of our parish members, a convert from Mormonism, was asked by our priest who is not from Utah and isn’t familiar with Mormonism, at all, “what do Mormons do in that temple up the street?” the parish member replied, “they learn secret signs and symbols that they believe are required for them to enter into heaven, let me show you one”…he started to show him a handshake, and our kind priest got all creeped out, shook his hand away, and said “don’t do that!”

That, my deaf friends, is the best response I’ve seen to Mormon anything, ever.
Well, I’m not deaf, but I still thought it was a great story. 😃
 
That, my deaf friends, is the best response I’ve seen to Mormon anything, ever.
Well, I’m not deaf, but I still thought it was a great story.
Oh-- the stories I could tell 😃 Others’ reactions to HA’s can reveal a lot about them. I think I will throw out a few signs from “secret combinations.” Maybe someone will think I am a member of a gang. 😃
 
LDS services are like board meetings. The chairman opens the meeting and members give talks on predertimed topics. There is also bread and water given.
It does sound like a board meeting - or a debate. If no one is preaching or teaching then how will the church learn. To me, LDS seems like a corruption.
 
Oh-- the stories I could tell 😃 Others’ reactions to HA’s can reveal a lot about them. I think I will throw out a few signs from “secret combinations.” Maybe someone will think I am a member of a gang. 😃
Oh my heck. You crack me up. :rotfl:
 
For those Catholics who may be getting sucked into the “The Temple is so beautiful” hooey, let me testify to you as an ex-Mormon Catholic that it is NOT beautiful. It is peaceful, yes, as is any place away from the world’s noise and commotion. Everyone wears white and you aren’t even allowed to wear street shoes so the carpet is pristine.

However, it is not at all spiritual. They keep talking about how they “feel” while they are there, but they neglect to talk about the truth of their doctrine. The “symbols” they keep talking about are based in Masonic rituals, the story of creation is based on the fiction of the Book of Abraham, and what they are doing in the Temple is ordinance work for the dead. Mormons are taking names from the church records from genealogical research, some of which are taken from Catholic church records, and having these people posthumously baptized and confirmed as Mormons and giving them these “blessings” of learning these secret Masonic handshakes and code phrases.
So - when I die someone from the Mormon Church may decide to posthumously baptise me? As a Mormon? That *can’t * be. Am I misreading something? Please tell me I am!! :eek:

(Not that it would make any difference as it wouldn’t work.)
 
ha yeah, I noticed that after the 20 minutes was up. Decided it worked as it is. 😃
It took me a few minutes to “get it.” I kept wondering what that all had to do with being deaf. Oh, silly me. 😛
 
Not quite. The purpose of Jewish temple ceremonies was to offer sacrifice to God. The purpose of Mormon temple ceremonies is to swear oaths of allegiance to the LDS church, and to learn the “signs and symbols” needed for entrance into heaven. The allegience is in a vow of consecration, not to Christ but to the “building up of the Kingdom of God” (read: building up of the LDS church). (“You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.”)

It’s not the blessings a person gets in the temple that gets one into heaven, it’s those all important handshakes and code phrases that one learns that gives us the “tokens” to slip through the veil and into heaven. Without these handshakes and code words, a person cannot get into heaven. Of course, with a quick Google search, anyone can find the entire verbiage of the ceremony, and learn the phrases. There’s even a video from Big Love with the end part of the ceremony, where the woman gets pulled through the veil, with language that is actually used in the temple. But Joseph Smith apparently did not prophesy about the Internet when he wrote the ceremonies and made people vow to keep them secret.
And people vowed to keep them secret or they would be killed? I’m downloading the video right now. Thanks for the link!
 
So - when I die someone from the Mormon Church may decide to posthumously baptise me? As a Mormon? That *can’t * be. Am I misreading something? Please tell me I am!! :eek:

(Not that it would make any difference as it wouldn’t work.)
Yes, someone will submit your name to an LDS temple and they will baptize, wash & annoint, endow and seal you by proxy.

And you are correct - it won’t make any difference. personally I couldn’t care less if the Mormons dead-dunk me or my relatives. Let them waste their time performing meaningless ordinances for people who are long-since judged and consigned to their eternal fates. It makes no difference to me.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
So - when I die someone from the Mormon Church may decide to posthumously baptise me? As a Mormon? That *can’t *be. Am I misreading something? Please tell me I am!! :eek:

(Not that it would make any difference as it wouldn’t work.)
LittleSoldier,
It reminds me of the previous Catholic custom of giving names to a **Purgatorial society or association. **

Both practices seem to have the sincere intent of helping the ‘name’ get into heaven. I personally don’t believe God will hold it against me, if i make it on one of these lists. 😃
 
LittleSoldier,
It reminds me of the previous Catholic custom of giving names to a **Purgatorial society or association. **

Both practices seem to have the sincere intent of helping the ‘name’ get into heaven. I personally don’t believe God will hold it against me, if i make it on one of these lists. 😃
How odd that you would compare praying for someone to baptizing someone into a faith after they have died.

Wow
 
Well I’m not an expert but don’t they have the same objective,
of helping the deceased get into heaven?

Pesonally, I find baptising for the dead silly, since the person did not consent.
I also think saying masses for the dead won’t affect God’s decision, but it makes the living feel better 👍
How odd that you would compare praying for someone to baptizing someone into a faith after they have died.

Wow
 
Well I’m not an expert but don’t they have the same objective,
of helping the deceased get into heaven?

Pesonally, I find baptising for the dead silly, since the person did not consent.
I also think saying masses for the dead won’t affect God’s decision, but it makes the living feel better 👍
The two are not comparable. One, praying for you, does not involve you and actually follows the command of Christ who told us to pray for one another.

The other is doing something UNDER YOUR NAME that involves something by proxy and does not follow ANY command of Christ.
 
Well I’m not an expert but don’t they have the same objective,
of helping the deceased get into heaven?

Pesonally, I find baptising for the dead silly, since the person did not consent.
I also think saying masses for the dead won’t affect God’s decision, but it makes the living feel better 👍
I think you have forgotten (or perhaps never knew) that we on earth are supposed to pray for those who have died. There is a good chance that they are in Purgatory. Any prayer for them may lessen their time there and allow them to get into Heaven faster. We can even complete plenary indulgences for them.

So what is wrong with that?

A sham baptism, OTOH, is a complete waste of time and, if it worked (which it does not) would take away the dead person’s free will. When one dies one is sent to hell, Purgatory, or Heaven. Baptising them is not going to help. Everyone in hell is there for eternity, as their choice. But those in Purgatory are on the way to Heaven and we should do everything in our power to get them there as quickly as possible because they are suffering. Personally, I have made a pact with someone that in the case of my death she will complete a plenary indulgence for me (and I for her in the case of her death before mine). This is what we are *supposed *to do as an act of charity and mercy.

What we are *not *supposed to do, and actually we have no power to do, is to drag a person to Heaven kicking and screaming. Free will is an enormous gift. Not even God takes that gift away. But for some strange reason some people think they have the power to take free will away from the dead, baptise them against their will, and send them off to glory.

It doesn’t work. It can’t work. It has never worked and it never will.
 
Little soldier, you are misrepresenting Mormon beliefs. They believe that the individual soul baptized for the dead is free to accept or reject that ordinance. Even if they were introduced to the LDS gospel many times during their life, and continued to reject it.
 
Little soldier, you are misrepresenting Mormon beliefs. They believe that the individual soul baptized for the dead is free to accept or reject that ordinance. Even if they were introduced to the LDS gospel many times during their life, and continued to reject it.
Oh! OK, thanks for the clarification! I appreciate it. 🙂
 
Little soldier, you are misrepresenting Mormon beliefs. They believe that the individual soul baptized for the dead is free to accept or reject that ordinance. Even if they were introduced to the LDS gospel many times during their life, and continued to reject it.
So Pope John Paul II **obviously didn’t make it CLEAR **that he wasn’t interested in becoming Mormon and that is why your church has baptized him SIX times!

If only he had really believed, you would have only baptized him once, right? Or is anybody a target? Like the Blessed Mother who has also been baptized Mormon. Even though I know that Mormonism isn’t true it just ticks me off.

It’s nonsense, all of it and disrespectful as well.
 
It’s nonsense, all of it and disrespectful as well.
It is. However, they have the right to do it. It keeps them busy not bothering the living. Maybe JPII is up there in Heaven, returning their good intentions. They do mean well, in that respect.

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