Lead plaintiff in Pennsylvania voter ID case gets her photo ID

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rlg94086 said:
Is there evidence that the State took action to eliminate her legal standing, or is that just supposition on your part?
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Its not supposition at all. The proof is the fact that the State violated its own regulations in order to provide Mrs. Applewhite with a photo ID; something that they have not done and likely will not do for anyone else. She no longer has legal standing now that she has the ID. Why make a special exception just for Mrs. Applewhite? I think the answer to that is clear.
 
rlg94086 said:
The reason I made that point is that the current Democrat/liberal meme is that the Republicans are disenfranchising voters through voter ID laws, so they can win. There is no logic in that argument.

I’m not worried about the “evidence for ‘illegitimate voters.’” Others have posted information about it, but it just plain makes sense to require an ID to vote.
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It makes sense to require ID to vote in a state where there has been a substantial incidence of documented voter fraud. Is that the case with PA? If so, OK; if not, one must ask what other reasons there might be for instituting voter ID in PA (a swing state) at this time? I wonder…
 
meltzerboy said:
It makes sense to require ID to vote in a state where there has been a substantial incidence of documented voter fraud. Is that the case with PA? If so, OK; if not, one must ask what other reasons there might be for instituting voter ID in PA (a swing state) at this time? I wonder…
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There have been charges of voter fraud. One of the other posters presented it. What do you wonder? Which party would benefit from keeping their legitimate voters from the polls?
 
rlg94086 said:
There have been charges of voter fraud. One of the other posters presented it. What do you wonder? Which party would benefit from keeping their legitimate voters from the polls?
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Who presented it: that is, documented voter fraud in PA? I wonder why the voter fraud issue has become important to PA at this time.
 
meltzerboy said:
Who presented it: that is, documented voter fraud in PA? I wonder why the voter fraud issue has become important to PA at this time.
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I don’t remember who presented it…it was in another thread. Voter fraud and voter ID have been an issue for a while. The ability of people to vote fraudulantly has existed for a long time, and I am glad that people are finally taking steps to prevent it.
 
Voter fraud and voter ID have been an issue for a while.
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Well Robert… I’d love to see any proof of voter fraud from a reputable source.

John
 
oldcelt said:
Well Robert… I’d love to see any proof of voter fraud from a reputable source.

John
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Mississippi NAACP leader sent to prison for 10 counts of voter fraud

dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/mississippi-naacp-leader-sent-to-prison-for-10-counts-of-voter-fraud

4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008 presidential race

foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/4-indiana-dems-charged-with-election-fraud-in-2008

NY Democrat: Voter fraud part of ‘culture for both major political parties’ in the Empire State

dailycaller.com/2012/07/15/ny-democrat-voter-fraud-part-of-the-culture-for-both-major-political-parties

PA found 150 cases of voter discrepancies in 1% of districts

ACORN had thousands of fraudulently filled out registration forms for voter impersonation in the polls.

In 1984 a grand jury told of voter fraud that had gone on in Brooklyn for 14 years without detection; voting with fictitious names. Thousands of fraudulent votes were cast in state and congressional elections. This could of been stopped and detected if there was voter authentication.

In Crawford v Marion County Election Board, 2008 case in which the Supreme Court upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, court said
It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history by respected historians and journalists, that occasional examples have surfaced in recent years…that…demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election
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Reports non citizens voting
The Colorado secretary of state recently testified before Congress that a check of the voter registration rolls indicated over 11000 individuals who were non-citizens at the time they registered to vote, at least 5000 of whom likely voted
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cha.house.gov/images/stories/documents/03312011gessler_testimony.pdf

New Mexico Secretary of State Dianna Duran, reported that a preliminary check of voter registration rolls had already found 37 noncitizens that had voted in New Mexico elections

alamogordonews.com/ci_17619915

A possible problem highlighted in Crawford v Marion County Election Board found that it was possible for double voting for somebody who lived in two states

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1951133/posts

When 1,099 Felons Vote In A Race Won By 312 Ballots
In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.
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Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.
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During the controversy, a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons – all ineligible to vote – who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.
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Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted – not just accused, but convicted – of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong
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Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud
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And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results
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The election was particularly important because Franken’s victory gave Senate Democrats a 60th vote in favor of President Obama’s national health care proposal – the deciding vote to overcome a Republican filibuster. If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare
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townhall.com/columnists/byronyork/2012/08/13/when_1099_felons_vote_in_a_race_won_by_312_ballots/page/full

Post election findings

minnesotamajority.org/TheIssues/ElectionIntegrity/tabid/188/Default.aspx
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Its not supposition at all. The proof is the fact that the State violated its own regulations in order to provide Mrs. Applewhite with a photo ID; something that they have not done and likely will not do for anyone else. She no longer has legal standing now that she has the ID. Why make a special exception just for Mrs. Applewhite? I think the answer to that is clear.
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Hold that thought and don’t let the topic change…What makes this woman special? Will that special treatment be available to other elders? What does a voter have to do to get the voter regulations violated in their favor AND most importantly, how is photo ID a guarantee against fraud if it can be obtained without a voter meeting the requirements? I’m confused…:confused: What values exactly are at play here?
 
bellasbane said:
Ummm, that would be true of all the Jim Crow laws - it didn’t make it them right, now did it?
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Clearly not. Same with the ACA, which is a far closer comparison to Jim Crow in terms of restricting liberty than the voter ID.
Pa. is a purple state that leans red. If the voters there don’t like ID’s, they can turn out the legislature and governor. One could argue that it is unneeded in Pa., but I have yet to see a reasonable argument that it supresses anyone’s vote.

Jon
 
meltzerboy said:
** It makes sense to require ID to vote in a state where there has been a substantial incidence of documented voter fraud.** Is that the case with PA? If so, OK; if not, one must ask what other reasons there might be for instituting voter ID in PA (a swing state) at this time? I wonder…
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Hmm. Considering the state of origin of our current president, perhaps all states should be on guard this fall.

Jon
 
meltzerboy said:
But what about the Republican fraudulent voters who are not so talented? Have you no pity for them?
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We have all the money. We’ll just get Democrat to make them for us. Without telling them we’re Republicans of course. 😛
 
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