Learn the ahadith to better understand Islam

[dzheremi]

Most of those are good things, but I’ve always wondered why testifying that Muhammad is Allah’s messenger is part of the same “commandment”, if you will, as testifying to the oneness of God. I understand how Muhmmad is central to Islam (duh), but I don’t understand how his messengership or prophethood is necessarily related to God’s oneness. It seems like if God is one (which, yes, I and every other Christian believe He is), then He is one regardless of anyone’s testimony. I mean, He created the universe! So I don’t understand why the two principles are grouped together.

I guess my question essentially is: Does God need Muhammad to bolster His claims, or does Muhmmad need God to bolster his?

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Hadith # 3

On the authority of Ibn Omar, the son of Omar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with both, who said : I heared the messenger of Allah say :

"Islam has been built on five [pillars]: testifying that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammed is the messenger of Allah, performing the prayers, paying the zakat, making the pilgrimage to the House, and fasting in Ramadan."

related by Bukhari and Muslim

• We have no God but the Holy Trinity.
• Jesus is God the Father’s only Son and incarnation of God (aka “physical messenger and word”).
• We are to pray always.
• We physically support the Church.
• We “pilgrimage” to Church at least every Sunday.
• We “fast” all of Lent (and various other times as well).

Sounds like this hadith is a subset of true revelation, with a bit of a “twist”. Now, whether that “twist” is demonic or not is a good question.

 

[Booklover]

In honour of the holy month of Ramadan which begins in a few days time, this thread is meant to present a brief but yet fairly comprehensive collection of the ahadith which should provide the reader with a very much better understanding of Islam.

It is taken from the book of the Islamic scholar Yahta bin Sharaful-Deen An-Nawawi (rahimhuAllaah) and this book is now known as “An-Nawawi’s Forty Hadiths”.

It is a popular small book in which the author gathered forty two of the sayings of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and it is widely considered to be essential reading for anyone who seriously wishes to study the fundamental teachings of Islam.

Just like an apple a day keeps the doctor away, learning a hadith a day throughout this coming month of Ramadan will, God-wiiling, significantly improve one’s spiritual wellness.

On the authority of Omar bin Al-Khattab, who said : I heared the messenger of Allah say :

"Actions are but by intention and every man shall have but that which he intended. Thus he whose migration was for Allah and His messenger, his migration was for Allah and His messenger, and he whose migration was to achieve some worldly benefit or to take some woman in marriage, his migration was for that for which he migrated."

related by Bukhari and Muslim

You may have opened a can of worms when you started this thread! I’m sure you’ll only post those things that sound good, but if anyone really checks out the hadiths, they’ll find out how violent Islam is, not to mention lots of nonsense contained in Islamic scriptures as well!

Here are examples of both:

Ishaq:327"Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’"

Bukhari:V6B61N550"The Prophet said, ‘It is a bad thing some of you say,“I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur’an.” For truly, I have been caused by Allah to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur’an because it escapes faster than a runaway camel.’"

Vickie

 

[bpbasilphx]

I confess there is NO GOD but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate risen from the dead!

 

[dzheremi]

I confess there is NO GOD but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate risen from the dead!

Now here is one “shahada” that I can get behind 100%! Amen!

 

[hamba2han]

Most of those are good things, but I’ve always wondered why testifying that Muhammad is Allah’s messenger is part of the same “commandment”, if you will, as testifying to the oneness of God. I understand how Muhmmad is central to Islam (duh), but I don’t understand how his messengership or prophethood is necessarily related to God’s oneness. It seems like if God is one (which, yes, I and every other Christian believe He is), then He is one regardless of anyone’s testimony. I mean, He created the universe! So I don’t understand why the two principles are grouped together.

I guess my question essentially is: Does God need Muhammad to bolster His claims, or does Muhmmad need God to bolster his?

Anyone can proclaim the oneness of his Lord and then proceed to worship Him in just about any way that he wishes but it is only someone who has a direct line of communication with God who can inform and teach everyone else on how the Creator actually wants His creations to worship Him… and by ‘worship’, I mean how they should live their lives.

If people do not accept someone as a Messenger of God, then how can they accept the Message that he has brought as being really from their Creator?

 

[hamba2han]

• We have no God but the Holy Trinity.
• Jesus is God the Father’s only Son and incarnation of God (aka “physical messenger and word”).
• We are to pray always.
• We physically support the Church.
• We “pilgrimage” to Church at least every Sunday.
• We “fast” all of Lent (and various other times as well).

Sounds like this hadith is a subset of true revelation, with a bit of a “twist”. Now, whether that “twist” is demonic or not is a good question.

How many of the things that you have listed that Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples actually did themselves?

Did they teach about the “Holy Trinity”?

Did the disciples preach that Jesus (pbuh) is the incarnation of God?

Did they make the “pilgrimage” to their temple every Sunday?

 

[hamba2han]

… I’m sure you’ll only post those things that sound good, but if anyone really checks out the hadiths, they’ll find out how violent Islam is…

On this thread, I plan to post only the 42 ahadith from Imam An-Nawawi’s collection.

However, a few of them do indeed allude to things which may be considered violent.

 

[Nicolas]

Most of those are good things, but I’ve always wondered why testifying that Muhammad is Allah’s messenger is part of the same “commandment”, if you will, as testifying to the oneness of God. I understand how Muhmmad is central to Islam (duh), but I don’t understand how his messengership or prophethood is necessarily related to God’s oneness. It seems like if God is one (which, yes, I and every other Christian believe He is), then He is one regardless of anyone’s testimony. I mean, He created the universe! So I don’t understand why the two principles are grouped together.

I guess my question essentially is: Does God need Muhammad to bolster His claims, or does Muhmmad need God to bolster his?

I think we testify that Muhammad is Allah’s messenger, so we don’t fall to what the Christians did with Jesus …so each muslim has to testify that he is ONLY a messenger from God ,not more not less.

 

[dzheremi]

I see…and that idea is equally as important as the idea of the oneness of God?

 

[Silouan]

Did they teach about the “Holy Trinity”?

Did the disciples preach that Jesus (pbuh) is the incarnation of God?

The whole Gospel of John is a testimony of Jesus being God incarnate.

John the Disciple of Christ said, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)

"In the beginning was the Word, The Word is Jesus, and Jesus was there in the beginning. The Word of God is the Son of God.

** and the Word was with God,** The Word, Jesus the Son of God, was with the Father.

and the Word was God." Father and the Son are One in essense. The Word was God. Jesus said, I and my Father are one (John 10:30)

John the Disciple of Christ said, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)

Jesus said, **“Verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” **(John 8:58)

So the answer is yes, the disciples taught that Jesus was God incarnate.

In regards to the trinity, the word was not used, this is not different than in Islam, because word Tawhid cannot be found in the Quran. And the word Aqidah was not used during the time of the Salafus Saleh, does that mean the Salafus Saleh did not teach Aqidah?

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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Originally Posted by CatsAndDogs

• We have no God but the Holy Trinity.
• Jesus is God the Father’s only Son and incarnation of God (aka “physical messenger and word”).
• We are to pray always.
• We physically support the Church.
• We “pilgrimage” to Church at least every Sunday.
• We “fast” all of Lent (and various other times as well).

Sounds like this hadith is a subset of true revelation, with a bit of a “twist”. Now, whether that “twist” is demonic or not is a good question.

How many of the things that you have listed that Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples actually did themselves?

They did all of them, in their own way.

Did they teach about the “Holy Trinity”?

Yes. God says so through the Magisterium. One either believes revealed truth or not, and you don’t while we (Catholics) do. I’m not interested in convincing you of that fact, only telling you that fact.

Did the disciples preach that Jesus (pbuh) is the incarnation of God?

Yes. Check the teachings of the Church (Magisterium). I’m not the authority in this. God is, and we know that via the Magisterium.

Did they make the “pilgrimage” to their temple every Sunday?

They made their holy pilgrimage(s) in the intervals specified for them by God.

 

[dzheremi]

I know what “tawhid” means, thanks to my friends in the Ethiopian Orthodox “Tewaheedo” Church, but what is “aqidah”?

 

[Silouan]

I know what “tawhid” means, thanks to my friends in the Ethiopian Orthodox “Tewaheedo” Church, but what is “aqidah”?

Aqidah simply means Creed or Beliefs. Among the early Muslims (Salafus Saleh) it was called Fiqh Al Akbar, the Greater Understanding. The Word Aqidah was not used to describe Creed of Belief among the early Muslims. It is the evolutions of terminology. Some Muslims don’t even know that Aqidah was called Fiqh Al Akbar, so when I mention to this to some muslims they think I am talking about Islamic Law. Because Fiqh is commonly used in modern times to refer to Islamic Law.

Among the early text on creed is Aqidah Tahawi, The Creed of Imam Tahawi.

in Christ,

Silouan

 

[hamba2han]

Hadith # 4

On the authority of Abdullah bin Masud, who said : the messenger of Allah, and he is the truthful, the believed narrated to us :

"Verily the creation of each one of you is brought together in his mother’s belly for forty days in the form of seed, then he is a clot of blood for a like period, then a morsel of flesh for a like period, then there is sent to him the angel who blows the breath of life into him and who is commanded about four matters: to write down his means of livelihood, his life span, his actions, and whether happy or unhappy. By Allah, other than Whom there is no god, verily one of you behaves like the people of Paradise until there is but an arm’s length between him and it, and that which has been written over takes him and so he behaves like the people of Hell-fire and thus he enters it; and one of you behaves like the people of Hell-fire until there is but an arm’s length between him and it, and that which has been written over takes him and so he behaves like the people of Paradise and thus he enters it."

Bukhari and Muslim

 

[dzheremi]

I don’t mean to discourage you from your project, hamba2han, but personally I find these passages very unclear, so I’m not sure how much I can learn from them without some explanation of their wording by you or another Arabic-speaker (I’m assuming they are clearer in the original). I get that life apparently begins at 80 days in the Muslim view of pregnancy, but in the rest of it the referent is very unclear to me. By way of example, there is this

verily one of you (not the previously referred to “him” earlier in the quote?) behaves like the people of Paradise until there is but an arm’s length between him (this time “him”, not “you”, and so this time the previously referred to "him earlier in the quote?) and it, and that which has been written over takes him (again the previously referred to “him”?) and so he behaves like the people of Hell-fire and thus he enters it

The use of “he” and “you” in this passage is equally confusing whether they are meant to have the same referent or two or more different referents. If it is the same, why is there this confusing pronoun switch? If they are different, then the passage has very little internal cohesion, since Muhammad is talking about the general development of a fetus in one passage, and from there jumps to the actions of his (presumably post-fetal) audience.

Can you please clarify the meaning of this hadith for me? Thank you.

 

[dzheremi]

I don’t mean to discourage you from your project, hamba2han, but personally I find these passages very unclear, so I’m not sure how much I can learn from them without some explanation of their wording by you or another Arabic-speaker (I’m assuming they are clearer in the original). I get that life apparently begins at 80 days in the Muslim view of pregnancy, but in the rest of it the referent is very unclear to me. By way of example, there is this

The use of “he” and “you” in this passage is equally confusing whether they are meant to have the same referent or two or more different referents. If the referent of “he” and “you” are the same, why is there this confusing pronoun switch? If “he” and “you” are meant to refer to different referents, then the passage has very little internal cohesion, since Muhammad is talking about the general development of a fetus in the first few lines, and from there jumps to the actions of his (presumably post-fetal) audience.

Can you please clarify the meaning of this hadith for me? Thank you.

 

[hamba2han]

I don’t mean to discourage you from your project, hamba2han, but personally I find these passages very unclear, so I’m not sure how much I can learn from them without some explanation of their wording by you or another Arabic-speaker (I’m assuming they are clearer in the original). I get that life apparently begins at 80 days in the Muslim view of pregnancy, but in the rest of it the referent is very unclear to me.

Islam teaches that the soul (ruh) enters the foetus at 120 days (4 months) after conception.

The use of “he” and “you” in this passage is equally confusing whether they are meant to have the same referent or two or more different referents. If it is the same, why is there this confusing pronoun switch? If they are different, then the passage has very little internal cohesion, since Muhammad is talking about the general development of a fetus in one passage, and from there jumps to the actions of his (presumably post-fetal) audience.

This hadith is really about one of the most important but yet probably the most confusing and misunderstood teaching of Islam, even among Muslims i.e. that of divine decree & preordainment.

A Muslim believes in Allah’s predestination of all things and events (Qadhaa), His decree (Qadar), His wisdom in His actions, and His will. Nothing in the universe can occur, even the voluntary actions of His slaves, except after Allah’s knowledge, and His decree of that event. A Muslim further believes that Allah is Just in His predestination and His decree, Wise in all of His actions. His wisdom follows His will: Whatever He wills is, and whatever He does not will is not. There is no power nor any movement except by Allah.

You can refer to this webpage for a more elaborate explanation of this subject.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dzheremi
I don’t mean to discourage you from your project, hamba2han, but personally I find these passages very unclear, so I’m not sure how much I can learn from them without some explanation of their wording by you or another Arabic-speaker (I’m assuming they are clearer in the original). I get that life apparently begins at 80 days in the Muslim view of pregnancy, but in the rest of it the referent is very unclear to me.

Islam teaches that the soul (ruh) enters the foetus at 120 days (4 months) after conception.

So, is it therefore acceptable to “disable” a fetus before 120 days so that it can’t receive a soul?

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The use of “he” and “you” in this passage is equally confusing whether they are meant to have the same referent or two or more different referents. If it is the same, why is there this confusing pronoun switch? If they are different, then the passage has very little internal cohesion, since Muhammad is talking about the general development of a fetus in one passage, and from there jumps to the actions of his (presumably post-fetal) audience.

This hadith is really about one of the most important but yet probably the most confusing and misunderstood teaching of Islam, even among Muslims i.e. that of divine decree & preordainment.

A Muslim believes in Allah’s predestination of all things and events (Qadhaa), His decree (Qadar), His wisdom in His actions, and His will. Nothing in the universe can occur, even the voluntary actions of His slaves, except after Allah’s knowledge, and His decree of that event.

That squares pretty well with the truth!

A Muslim further believes that Allah is Just in His predestination and His decree, Wise in all of His actions. His wisdom follows His will: Whatever He wills is, and whatever He does not will is not. There is no power nor any movement except by Allah.

Do humans, and angels, have free will such that God will not violate their choices?

 

[Silouan]

I don’t mean to discourage you from your project, hamba2han, but personally I find these passages very unclear, so I’m not sure how much I can learn from them without some explanation of their wording by you or another Arabic-speaker (I’m assuming they are clearer in the original).

1. The first hadith, represents the foundation of believer, the actions are by intention. That every good or bad actions is proceeded by an intention created in the heart.
2. The second hadith is a summary of the whole religion of Islam. It is a systematic theology. It cover the four dimension of the religion.

Islam, the five pillars of Islam, represents the outward actions, the body, commonly regraded as Fiqh or Islamic Law.

Iman, the six pillars of faith, represents a part of the inward actions, the mind, how one is suppose to understand the religion commonly referred to as Aqidah or Islamic Belief.

Ihsan, the two pillars of spirituality, represents the spiritual state of a believer, the soul or the heart, where one’s heart has to be in regards to God Himself, commonly referred to as Tasawwuf or Islamic Spirituality, some don’t like this word and called it Tazkiyatu Nafs (Purification of the heart).

Time, the moveable road, the road that moves whether one is moving or not, all will travel toward God whether one wants to or not, so it is kind of a reminder of the importance of good actions.

1. Represents the most basic practices of Muslim.
2. Gives the Muslim an understanding of where He stands with His Lord. That man is literally between the two hands of the Lord. Understanding where one stands between man’s free will and God’s decree.

So this is a summary of the four hadiths that have been presentated.

In Christ,

Silouan