Learn the ahadith to better understand Islam

[hamba2han]

Hadith # 5

On the authority of Aishah, who said : The messenger of Allah said:

"He who innovates something in this matter of ours that is not of it will have it rejected."

Bukhari and Muslim

And in another version by Muslim, it reads :

"He who does an act which our matter is not [in agreement] with will have it rejected."

The above hadith is one which strictly prohibits the believer from “innovating” in his religion i.e. to introduce new practices in the way that he worships Allah which the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself did not do.

An example of this would be the manner how a Muslim should pray either his obligatory salat or the optional supplications and the times that are specified for these salat prayers especially.

Muslims are not permitted to invent new ways and methods by which to worship the Lord because besides being sinful, these innovative new ways of worshipping the Lord will simply not be accepted by the One who is being worshipped.

 

[hamba2han]

So, is it therefore acceptable to “disable” a fetus before 120 days so that it can’t receive a soul?

Terminating a pregnancy is an option allowed up to the point of 120 days and even then it is only permissible under specific circumstances such as the following:

1. Rape and incest
2. Proven abnormalities, e.g. Anencephacy (no brain), Downs Syndrome, Trisomy, HIV positive, congenital rubella health.
3. If the foetal abnormalities are not proven but speculated, then, if there is a high risk that a woman may suffer from any of the above factors, then in the opinion of an honest, reliable and an experienced Muslim doctor, abortion may be permissible prior to the four months’ gestation. It must be stressed that these are exceptional circumstances in which an abortion is allowed. Once again, it must be emphasised that the permission granted rests on medical grounds. (Ibid)
4. If there is a high risk of the mother’s permanent mental well being and if the doctor is certain (Zanne Ghaalib) that the depression, schizophrenia will be permanent and incurable.
5. Abortion before 120 days is not permissible due to spacing of children, financial constraints, young age and unwed mothers.

After a period of 120 days (4 months), abortion is prohibited under any circumstances because it would be considered as murdering an innocent soul.

Do humans, and angels, have free will such that God will not violate their choices?

Angels are made from pure light and have no free will. They always obey Allah and never hesitate to carry out His Commands.

 

[Booklover]

Islam teaches that the soul (ruh) enters the foetus at 120 days (4 months) after conception.

How can a human be alive without a soul? More proof that Islam is the product of Muhammad’s imagination.

From the Catechism:


362 The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that "**then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."229 Man, whole and entire, is therefore *willed *by God. **
363 In Sacred Scripture the term “soul” often refers to human *life *or the entire human person.230 But “soul” also refers to the innermost aspect of man, that which is of greatest value in him,231 that by which he is most especially in God’s image: “soul” signifies the spiritual principle in man.
364 **The human body shares in the dignity of “the image of God”: it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the Spirit:232 **
Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity. Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator. For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day. 233

365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the “form” of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature. 366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not “produced” by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235

Vickie

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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Originally Posted by CatsAndDogs
So, is it therefore acceptable to “disable” a fetus before 120 days so that it can’t receive a soul?

Terminating a pregnancy is an option allowed up to the point of 120 days and even then it is only permissible under specific circumstances such as the following:

1. Rape and incest
2. Proven abnormalities, e.g. Anencephacy (no brain), Downs Syndrome, Trisomy, HIV positive, congenital rubella health.
3. If the foetal abnormalities are not proven but speculated, then, if there is a high risk that a woman may suffer from any of the above factors, then in the opinion of an honest, reliable and an experienced Muslim doctor, abortion may be permissible prior to the four months’ gestation. It must be stressed that these are exceptional circumstances in which an abortion is allowed. Once again, it must be emphasised that the permission granted rests on medical grounds. (Ibid)
4. If there is a high risk of the mother’s permanent mental well being and if the doctor is certain (Zanne Ghaalib) that the depression, schizophrenia will be permanent and incurable.
5. Abortion before 120 days is not permissible due to spacing of children, financial constraints, young age and unwed mothers.

After a period of 120 days (4 months), abortion is prohibited under any circumstances because it would be considered as murdering an innocent soul.

So, Islam allows objectively evil acts.

Yet another major flaw in islam. Sorry, but I can’t recommend islam to my friends based on this information.

In fact, this flaw alone eliminates islam as from God. Too bad to see that so much of the planet’s people are lead around by demonic forces.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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Do humans, and angels, have free will such that God will not violate their choices?

Angels are made from pure light and have no free will. They always obey Allah and never hesitate to carry out His Commands.

Yet ANOTHER major boo-boo of islam.

How did satan become “the first evil-doer” if he has no free will?

Robot angels, just like robot-humans, are a BIG (and rather silly) error that no person of God would be caught DEAD holding onto, as it would drag them (rather rapidly) into hell.

 

[hamba2han]

How can a human be alive without a soul?

Trees are alive but they do not have a soul.

So, Islam allows objectively evil acts.

Firstly, Islam clearly defines what is evil and what is good whereas Christianity does not really define good and evil at all.

Secondly, if confronted with such a situation, Muslims are enjoined to always choose the lesser of two evils.

How did satan become “the first evil-doer” if he has no free will?

Islam teaches that Satan is NOT a “fallen angel” but instead is a jinn who are creatures made from fire.

Like human beings, the jinn are also given free will by their Creator.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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Originally Posted by Booklover
How can a human be alive without a soul?

Trees are alive but they do not have a soul.

Only persons have souls. That would be humans and angels.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CatsAndDogs
So, Islam allows objectively evil acts.

Firstly, Islam clearly defines what is evil and what is good whereas Christianity does not really define good and evil at all.

Secondly, when confronted with such a situation, Muslims are enjoined to always choose the lesser of two evils.

Apparently they may choose to kill innocent life when they needn’t, for the “convenience” of the killer.

That is choosing to DO evil when no choice to DO evil is necessary. That is choosing evil over non-evil (good).

That is what makes it allowable for a moslem to be objectively evil when they needn’t be.

That is demonic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CatsAndDogs
How did satan become “the first evil-doer” if he has no free will?

Islam teaches that Satan is NOT a “fallen angel” but instead is a jinn who are creatures made from fire.

Like human beings, the jinn are also given free will by their Creator.

Yet another perversion (misinterpretation) of revelation (or “human fantasy”).

How is person a person without a will? He is merely a robot at that point. There are no jinn, only angels and demons, God and man, and all non-person creatures (alive or otherwise).

Why were the jinn invented?

 

[Booklover]

Trees are alive but they do not have a soul.

Trees are not human! Be serious!

tly, Islam clearly defines what is evil and what is good whereas Christianity does not really define good and evil at all.

Secondly, if confronted with such a situation, Muslims are enjoined to always choose the lesser of two evils.

This was posted by Sister Amy:
"Hmmm… let me see if I can explain it another way.

There is no single comprehensive list of all sins. There’s not even a single comprehensive list of major sins. And there is disagreement about what is actually a major vs. a minor sin. But the standard used to determine if something is a major sin is whether in the Qur’an or hadith there has been some specific punishment mandated for the people who do that–punishment in this life, or the next.

For example, you might read somewhere that “cursed are the people who do such-and-such.” That means such-and-such is a major sin. Or, if you read that “the people who do xyz will be burned” with gory details of their punishment (in the hereafter) then it means xyz is a major sin.

I think what you’re missing is just the organization of it all. There’s no single treatise laying out everything that is a major sin."

See thread: Does Islam have a defination of sin? #57

In “The Secret of Muhammad’s Success” ex-muslim Ali Sina states:

“Right and wrong, good and bad are not appraised based on their own merits. Right is what Muhammad said or did and wrong is what he prohibited. In other words Muslims are not to judge Muhammad by norms of morality and commonsense but rather the standards of morality and commonsense are to be measured by Muhammad’s deeds and words.”

Islam teaches that Satan is NOT a “fallen angel” but instead is a jinn who are creatures made from fire.

Like human beings, the jinn are also given free will by their Creator.

There are no such things as jinns! Angels are pure spirits and have free will.

 

[hamba2han]

… Apparently they may choose to kill innocent life when they needn’t, for the “convenience” of the killer.

That is choosing to DO evil when no choice to DO evil is necessary. That is choosing evil over non-evil (good).

That is what makes it allowable for a moslem to be objectively evil when they needn’t be.

That is demonic.

Do Christians consider rape to be good or evil?

If pregnancy results from rape, is it good or evil to have the victim bear the baby?

Why were the jinn invented?

Exactly the same reason why human beings were created.

Do Christians know why human beings were created?

Trees are not human! Be serious!

I was actually pointing out that a foetus, just like a tree, can be alive without having a soul.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CatsAndDogs
… Apparently they may choose to kill innocent life when they needn’t, for the “convenience” of the killer.

That is choosing to DO evil when no choice to DO evil is necessary. That is choosing evil over non-evil (good).

That is what makes it allowable for a moslem to be objectively evil when they needn’t be.

That is demonic.

Do Christians consider rape to be good or evil?

Rape is a violation of the dignity of the person, and is always evil.

If pregnancy results from rape, is it good or evil to have the victim bear the baby?

And this is where islam once again, with stark clarity, shows it’s demonic aspect.

Every "newly minted"person is an innocent. No innocent person is to be killed, and the killer of an innocent person is an evil-doer.

How is it “good” to kill an innocent person, which is what islam allows?

To directly answer your question: It is good for a created person to be born regardless of the manner in which that person was created. The “victim” of rape is a mother, and for a mother to kill her baby is evil.

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Why were the jinn invented?

Exactly the same reason why human beings were created.

Do Christians know why human beings were created?

Yes. Humans were created to be the children of God and live with Him without sin.

Your “jinn”, who are actually demons, who were once angels corrupted by sin, and were originally created as God’s messengers (to each other and to man), are “temptors” of men who lead them into sin if they can.

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Originally Posted by Booklover
Trees are not human! Be serious!

I was actually pointing out that a foetus, just like a tree, can be alive without having a soul.

The “half complete” cells from the mother and father are “alive” and are parts of their originators (the mother and father), but THE INSTANT that they genetically combine into a new person, that PERSON is a separate and NEW creation of God both body and soul.

Only demons tempt us to believe that persons are non-persons and can be killed for convenience. This is what islam does, in the very words of hamba2han and his autorities from the koran.

Thank you Ham, for making this all so clear for us. PLEASE continue our EXCITING tour through the aHadith!

 

[Silouan]

Islam teaches that Satan is NOT a “fallen angel” but instead is a jinn who are creatures made from fire.

Actually this statement is not true. There is a difference of opinion among the scholars of Islam as to whether Satan was an Angel or a Jinn.

Imam Qurtubi states, "Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud, Ibn Jurayj and others said that Iblis was one of the angels. Ibn Abbas said, "His name was 'Azazil and he was one of the noblest of the angels. He had four wings and then was deprived of his angelic status when disobeyed Allah, He cursed him and he became Shaytan. Sa’id Ibn Jubayr said, “The jinn were a tribe of Angels, created from fire and Iblis was one of the,. The rest of the angels were created from light.” Ibn Zayd, Al Hasan and Qatada said, “Iblis was the father of the jinn in the same way that Adam was the father of human beings. He was not an angel.” (Refer to Tafsir Al Qurtubi)

There is a difference of opinion on the issue. And Imam Qurtubi is no small scholar in Islam. His tafsir is recognized and studied by the leadering scholars in this time.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Silouan]

Hadith # 5

On the authority of Aishah, who said : The messenger of Allah said:

"He who innovates something in this matter of ours that is not of it will have it rejected."

Bukhari and Muslim

The above hadith is one which strictly prohibits the believer from “innovating” in his religion i.e. to introduce new practices in the way that he worships Allah which the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself did not do.
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The scholars of Islam have differed as to exactly what this means. Imam Ahmad Zarruq for example, divided innovation into three catorgories, Pure Innovation, Differing Innovation, and Acceptable Innovations.

Pure Innovation - Are newly invented matters in Islam which all scholars agree about. Example: Not making up missed prayed. There is an agreement within the four schools of Islam, that it is obligatory to make up your missed prayers. It is an innovation, to say I don’t have to make it up and my repentance is enough.

Differing Innovation - Are newly invented matters in Islam which scholars differ about. Example: Group Dhikr

In the Hanbali school: Group Dhikr is prohibited.
In the Shafi school: Group Dhikr is permissible.

Another difference of opinion, is that Imam Malik considered it an innovation to recite the Quran in the Masjid because this was not done by Muhammad nor his companions. While the other Imams allowed it.

Acceptable Innovation: Are newly invented matters in Islam which scholars accept. Example: Complying of the Quran into one book. The use of microphones for the friday sermon. Etc Etc.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[dzheremi]

Thank you for your explanations of the meanings of these hadith, and the differing opinions of the scholars about them. I feel like I am understanding them a lot better because of your explanations.

 

[hamba2han]

Hadith # 6

On the authority of Al-Numan bin Basheer, who said : I heard the messenger of Allah say :

"That which is lawful is plain and that which is unlawful is plain and between the two of them are doubtful matters about which not many people know. Thus he who avoids doubtful matters clears himself in regard to his religion and his honor, but he who falls into doubtful matters falls into that which is unlawful, like the shepherd who pastures around a sanctuary, all but grazing therein. Truly every king has a sanctuary, and truly Allah’s sanctuary is His prohibitions. Truly in the body there is a morsel of flesh which, if it be whole, all the body is whole and which, if it be diseased, all of it is diseased. Truly it is the heart."

Bukhari and Muslim

This hadith is advising Muslims that when it comes to matters which they have doubts and are not clear on their permissibility, it is better for them to avoid these matters.

There are many matters that are clearly unlawful. No one can doubt the unlawfulness of murder, fornication, adultery, incest, drinking, gambling, dealing in usury, and eating pork.

Then there are doubtful matters that a Muslim should avoid. There are basically two reasons for doubt to exist about something. The first is where there is evidence indicating that something is unlawful, but that evidence is uncertain. The second is where there is a clear ruling in Islamic law that something is unlawful, but it is unclear if that ruling applies to a certain matter.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) mentions the heart after discussing the principle of avoiding doubtful matters. The reason for this is that the avoidance of doubtful matters is a very good way to protect the heart from moral disease. When a Muslim avoids what is unlawful, abstains from doubtful matters, and busies himself with what is clearly permissible and wholesome, his heart becomes strong. By contrast, if he engages in activities of doubtful legitimacy, his heart grows weak and he becomes more likely to fall into sin.

When a person’s heart is pure, his actions show it. A person with a pure heart will naturally avoid things that are doubtful just like he will avoid things that are unlawful. When a person has a sickness in his heart, he begins to crave unlawful things. He may at first involve himself in doubtful matters that will only increase the sickness in his heart and ultimately bring him to engage in what is openly sinful. This is why the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Verily, in the body is small piece of flesh that if it is healthy, the whole body is healthy and if it is sick, the whole body is sick. This small piece of flesh is the heart.”

A pure heart is one that is full of the love of Allah. It is a heart that naturally fears and loathes falling into sin and even the possibility of falling into sin.

 

[hamba2han]

The scholars of Islam have differed as to exactly what this means. Imam Ahmad Zarruq for example, divided innovation into three catorgories, Pure Innovation, Differing Innovation, and Acceptable Innovations.

Pure Innovation - Are newly invented matters in Islam which all scholars agree about. Example: Not making up missed prayed. There is an agreement within the four schools of Islam, that it is obligatory to make up your missed prayers. It is an innovation, to say I don’t have to make it up and my repentance is enough.

Differing Innovation - Are newly invented matters in Islam which scholars differ about. Example: Group Dhikr

In the Hanbali school: Group Dhikr is prohibited.
In the Shafi school: Group Dhikr is permissible.

Another difference of opinion, is that Imam Malik considered it an innovation to recite the Quran in the Masjid because this was not done by Muhammad nor his companions. While the other Imams allowed it.

Acceptable Innovation: Are newly invented matters in Islam which scholars accept. Example: Complying of the Quran into one book. The use of microphones for the friday sermon. Etc Etc.

In Christ,

Silouan

Any form of innovation in religion which the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions were able to do but did not do so would very likely fall under ‘doubtful matters’ in Islam and therefore it would be best for Muslims to avoid them.

The use of microphones and loudspeakers when delivering sermons does NOT therefore fall under this definition of “innovation” in religion.

 

[aaronjo]

Originally Posted by hamba2han
Islam teaches that the soul (ruh) enters the foetus at 120 days (4 months) after conception.

Before G_d’s breathing into “a formed man from dust” what was his status? Was he a creature without soul or with soul?

If it was without soul - without breath of G_d - what would you call him/it?

And what this has to do with our formal procreation which is different than the first creation of man?

As a Jew, I must tell you that you and your Church explanation is false. Because the very verse of Holy Torah that is used to back up your claim is actually negating it.

What hamba2han said is no different than what the Holy Torah says. Though I disgree with Islam on many issues.

 

[Silouan]

Any form of innovation in religion which the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions were able to do but did not do so would very likely fall under ‘doubtful matters’ in Islam and therefore it would be best for Muslims to avoid them.

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Not true.

1) Reciting from the Mushaf in the Masjid

Imam Ibn Abi Zayd said, “Recitation from a copy of the Quran (Mushaf) in the mosque was not the practice of the very first people. Al Hajjaj was the first to innovate it. I disapprove of reciting from a copy of the Quran in the mosque.” (A Madinan View)

This was also the opinion of Imam Malik.

Reciting from the Quran (Mushaf) in the mosque was not the practice of Muhammad nor his companions, yet I bet you recite from the Quran in the mosque. This is an innovation in matters of ibadah.

Is this doubtful matter for you??? Scholars around the world today recite from the mushaf in masjid, and some even do so in prayer for tarawih prayer, holding and reciting from the mushaf while leading the prayer.

2) Giving the Friday Khutbah in other than Arabic (english, German, Farsi etc)

This is something that was not done by Muhammad, his companions, the tabieen or the tabi tabieen. Yet it is done today. This is an innovation in matters of ibadah.

New things can be instituted in the religion.

For Muhammad said, “Whoever institutes a good practice in Islam has its reward and the reward of all those who practice it until the Day of Judgment without lessening the rewards of the latter.” (Narrated from Jarir ibn Abdullah Al Bajali by Muslim, Al Tirmidhi, al Nasi, Ibn Majar, Ahmad and Al Darimi - Sahih)

One cannot take one hadith conclusively and alienate all other hadiths. And one must also look at the practices of the Salafus Saleh to properly understand what is meant by it, because if you study their practices you will find that they all innovated in matters of ibadah, from the companions up until this day.

The prohibition in that hadith, “Every innovation,” is an innovation the contravenes the spirit of the Shariah or the spirit of the Quran and Sunnah. The scholars of Islam have differed on the particulars on this hadith and have agreed on the universals. Universally speaking all scholars agree that there is a good bidah and a bad bidah. What scholars differ on is what falls into these two catogories. Before you quote scholars disagreeing with Good bidah, if you actually study the issue, which I have, you will find that they don’t really disagree with it, they disagree with what falls into the two catogories.

Those who say they disagree with a good bidah, semantically call it something else, they call it a linguistic bidah, instead of a good bidah, but the meaning of these two catorgories is exactly the same.

The difference between what falls into each catorgory is merely based on the usul fiqh, or the principles by which the scholars derive new rulings in the Shariah.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[inJESUS]

What hamba2han said is no different than what the Holy Torah says. Though I disgree with Islam on many issues.

the Torah says that the soul enters the foetus at 120 days (4 months) after conception? where?

 

[hamba2han]

Hadith # 7

On the authority of Tamim Al-Dari that the Prophet (pbuh) said:

"Religion is nasihah." We said: “To whom?” The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: “To Allah and His Book, and His messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk.”

[Muslim]

The word “nasihah” cannot be accurately translated to English because it is a broad concept which cannot be traced in the English language. Some use the term “sincerity” but this is only part of the concept - to negate deception/cheating. According to Imam Ibnu al-Salah, nasihah is “truly seeking the best, in terms of intention and action, for the one whom he is making nasihah to”.

When it comes to our interaction with one another, nasihah can therefore be loosely translated to mean to give advice or assistance with the best and most sincere of intentions

This hadith is profound because by this one brief statement, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), described the essence of Islam. Nasihah hence forms the bulk and the most important pillar of Islam since it encompasses Islam, Iman and Ihsan.

Iman – “It is that you believe in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and in the Last Day, and in fate (qadar), both in its good and in its evil aspects.”

Ihsan – “It is that you should serve Allah as though you could see Him, for though you cannot see Him yet He sees you.”

 

[hamba2han]

Not true.

1) Reciting from the Mushaf in the Masjid

Imam Ibn Abi Zayd said, “Recitation from a copy of the Quran (Mushaf) in the mosque was not the practice of the very first people. Al Hajjaj was the first to innovate it. I disapprove of reciting from a copy of the Quran in the mosque.” (A Madinan View)

This was also the opinion of Imam Malik.

Reciting from the Quran (Mushaf) in the mosque was not the practice of Muhammad nor his companions, yet I bet you recite from the Quran in the mosque. This is an innovation in matters of ibadah.

Is this doubtful matter for you??? Scholars around the world today recite from the mushaf in masjid, and some even do so in prayer for tarawih prayer, holding and reciting from the mushaf while leading the prayer.

2) Giving the Friday Khutbah in other than Arabic (english, German, Farsi etc)

This is something that was not done by Muhammad, his companions, the tabieen or the tabi tabieen. Yet it is done today. This is an innovation in matters of ibadah.

New things can be instituted in the religion.

For Muhammad said, “Whoever institutes a good practice in Islam has its reward and the reward of all those who practice it until the Day of Judgment without lessening the rewards of the latter.” (Narrated from Jarir ibn Abdullah Al Bajali by Muslim, Al Tirmidhi, al Nasi, Ibn Majar, Ahmad and Al Darimi - Sahih)

One cannot take one hadith conclusively and alienate all other hadiths. And one must also look at the practices of the Salafus Saleh to properly understand what is meant by it, because if you study their practices you will find that they all innovated in matters of ibadah, from the companions up until this day.

The prohibition in that hadith, “Every innovation,” is an innovation the contravenes the spirit of the Shariah or the spirit of the Quran and Sunnah. The scholars of Islam have differed on the particulars on this hadith and have agreed on the universals. Universally speaking all scholars agree that there is a good bidah and a bad bidah. What scholars differ on is what falls into these two catogories. Before you quote scholars disagreeing with Good bidah, if you actually study the issue, which I have, you will find that they don’t really disagree with it, they disagree with what falls into the two catogories.

Those who say they disagree with a good bidah, semantically call it something else, they call it a linguistic bidah, instead of a good bidah, but the meaning of these two catorgories is exactly the same.

The difference between what falls into each catorgory is merely based on the usul fiqh, or the principles by which the scholars derive new rulings in the Shariah.

In Christ,

Silouan

During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions, the Mushaf was not yet even compiled into a book form and so, should it come as any surprise then that the Prophet (pbuh) and his companions did not recite from one in the masjid?

Likewise, there was really no need at all for the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions to have given a Friday khutbah in a language other than Arabic because it was the only language that both they and virtually all of the early Muslims in Arabia were exceedingly proficient in.