Learn the ahadith to better understand Islam

[Booklover]

God is Love and Christianity is Love.

I don’t see love in what you are doing. You are breeding hate with hate.

The things you say is not 100%, its misleading and deceptive.

The only thing you do with your post is make Muslims hate Christians more and you make Christians hate Muslims.

You produce hate. You are a breeder of hate.

I don’t understand why you can’t see that.

In Christ,

Silouan

Here is a statement made by another ex-Muslim, Muhammad Asghar, in an interview with FrontPage Magazine:

FP: This is founded on the war that Islam teaches Muslims must wage on unbelievers.

Asghar: Yes. **As we all know, Islam has divided the earth into two camps: Darul Islam and Darul Harb i.e. the Muslim world and the non-Muslim world. Since the Muslims are Allah’s foot soldiers and they are required to fulfill His plan, as it is enunciated in the Qur’an, for earth and mankind, the Muslims must not only recover the land that the non-Muslims occupy today, they are also required to force them into Islam or kill them, if they refuse to become Muslims (see the Qur’an; 9:29). **It is, in fact, “a notable declaration of State policy promulgated {by Allah} about the month of Shawwal. A. H. 9, and read out by Hadhrat Ali at the Pilgrimage two months later in order to give the policy the widest publicity possible. …” (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Quran, as corrected by the King of Saudi Arabia, p. 494).
**This teaching of the Qur’an effectively and automatically turns the Muslims against the Christians; the former having also been told by it not to take the latter as their friends or protectors, as they (the Christians) and the Jews are friends of each other and, thus, both of them are in collusion against the Muslim Umma (Nation) and their religion. **
**Apart from the Jews and the Christians, the Muslims also hate the Pagans {Mushrikun in Arabic) from the core of their hearts, as they, according to the Qur’an, are unclean (see the Qur’an; 9:28), and, thus, unworthy of living on Allah’s earth. Therefore, the Muslims must kill them whenever they get the chance to fulfill the instruction Allah gave them through the Qur’an (see verse 9:5). This is a very dangerous instruction, and it is not at all good for those inhabitants of the earth, who worship deities other than Him. **
**This and other truths about Islam, therefore, must be brought to the notice of the non-Muslim communities of the world in order to prepare them against the deadly hazards that Islam is likely to put them in, when its followers becomes, in future, a dominant force on earth. Paying keen attention to what is written in the Qur’an is not only in the best interest of the present-day non-Muslims of the world, it would also help them protect their descendants from the Allah-inspired wrath of the Muslims in days to come. **

 

[hamba2han]

In other words, to ignore all the nasty, violent hadiths and surahs and to only listen to the muslims who are trying to mislead as to what islam is all. To become zombie robots and accept the teachings of mohammed and believe in his message which was … all about himself and to do what mohammed said and did… a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, and what not. To do what muslims do and continue believing in him without blinking.:hypno:

Those hadiths are from your books.

As I have explained in a prior post, on this thead throughout this blessed month of Ramadan, I shall be confining my presentation and discussion only on this very well-known selection of 42 ahadith by Imam An-Nawawi.

Discussion on any other hadith would really be beyond the aim of this thread.

 

[R_not]

Well, let me do some more hadiths today.

here is one that shows mohammed couldn’t even keep his own holydays. How convenient.

**Ishaq:288 **“The Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood, seized property, and taken men captive. Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill.’”

It seems we Jews and Christians are taught not to steal, but muslims have no such compunction. And I am not even mentioning the aggressive/offensive battles and raids that these items and people were gotten by.
Ishaq:327 “Allah made booty lawful and good. He used it to incite the Muslims to unity of purpose. So enjoy what you have captured.”

**Tabari VIII:116
Ishaq:511 **“So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah, and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”

**Tabari VIII:12 **"‘Rejoice, Allah has promised us victory after tribulation.’ This increased the Muslims faith and submission. When cities were conquered Muslims used to say, 'Conquer for yourselves whatever seems good to you because all treasures were given to Muhammad."

This hadith I am including just to show us all what a ‘nice guy’ mohammed was - to shut the broad up - just throw dirt in her mouth.
**Ishaq:535 **“The women began to cry after learning about Ja’far’s death. Disturbed, Muhammad told Abd-Rahman to silence them. When they wouldn’t stop wailing, Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Go and tell them to be quiet, and if they refuse throw dust in their mouths.’”

 

[R_not]

As I have explained in a prior post, on this thead throughout this blessed month of Ramadan, I shall be confining my presentation and discussion only on this very well-known selection of 42 ahadith by Imam An-Nawawi.

Discussion on any other hadith would really be beyond the aim of this thread.

Oh, ok. I will repost this since even the prophet broke the so called holy month.

**Ishaq:288 **“The Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood, seized property, and taken men captive. Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill.’”

 

[hamba2han]

So does this mean that all Muslims will finally leave the Bible alone? And all unbelievers alone? That would be nice.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

Muslims are commanded to only deliver the Message of Islam to the world and we will be questioned about this on the Day of Judgment.

Whether the recipients of the Message decide to accept it or not is a matter that they themselves will be questioned on that Day by their Creator.

 

[R_not]

Muslims are commanded to only deliver the Message of Islam to the world and we will be questioned about this on the Day of Judgment.

Whether the recipients of the Message decide to accept it or not is a matter that they themselves will be questioned on that Day by their Creator.

Then if it is your creator that will do the questioning why do muslims feel they should kill or subjugate them if they don’t want to accept it?

 

[dzheremi]

Muslims are commanded to only deliver the Message of Islam to the world and we will be questioned about this on the Day of Judgment.

Whether the recipients of the Message decide to accept it or not is a matter that they themselves will be questioned on that Day by their Creator.

I don’t care about your claims. We will say the same about our Christian faith. I wrote that post because I care about things like THIS, and THIS.

And then there are crimes like THIS, when a woman is raped for just READING the Bible.

Surely God will judge these actions, too.

 

[hamba2han]

Then if it is your creator that will do the questioning why do muslims feel they should kill or subjugate them if they don’t want to accept it?

You still do not get it, do you?

Muslims are really just too busy concentrating on working to save our own souls, especially during sacred periods like Ramadan, than to spend time worrying about the souls of people who willingly choose not to listen to the Message of Islam.

 

[Booklover]

You still do not get it, do you?

Muslims are really just too busy concentrating on working to save our own souls, especially during sacred periods like Ramadan, than to spend time worrying about the souls of people who willingly choose not to listen to the Message of Islam.

If this were true, why do you keep harping on our having statues in our churches? The day we start sacrificing Muslims to those statues, then you can start worrying!

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

You still do not get it, do you?

Muslims are really just too busy concentrating on working to save our own souls, especially during sacred periods like Ramadan, than to spend time worrying about the souls of people who willingly choose not to listen to the Message of Islam.

Why would any of us choose to accept the message of Islam coming from a man who stole and looted, killed anyone who wrote satyrical poems about him, had sex with a child, raped women captives, taught that lying was okay and broke treaties when it was convenient for him?

Vickie

 

[hamba2han]

If this were true, why do you keep harping on our having statues in our churches? The day we start sacrificing Muslims to those statues, then you can start worrying!

Vickie

Believe it or not, warning people against evil practices like idol-worshipping and bowing to statues and graven images is indeed an important part of the Message of Islam.

 

[Booklover]

Believe it or not, warning people against evil practices like idol-worshipping and bowing to statues and graven images is indeed an important part of the Message of Islam.

You bow to the Kaba, so what’s the difference? Muslims make an idol of Muhammad by copying and doing everything the way he did, have to love him more than any other human, and ascribe him as a partner to Allah.

Vickie

 

[R_not]

As I have explained in a prior post, on this thead throughout this blessed month of Ramadan, I shall be confining my presentation and discussion only on this very well-known selection of 42 ahadith by Imam An-Nawawi.

Discussion on any other hadith would really be beyond the aim of this thread.

It seems you guys are still trying to do da’wa (spread islam) on our threads.

Your Imam An-Nawawi have the 40 something hadiths that are the basics of islam - well, let me clarify that - islam for fools.

fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/

and then the hadiths are contained here:
fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/hadiths.htm

What you are doing is deceiving us as to what islam is really all about and it isn’t about these so called - VERY few passages. If it were - you guys need to go tell those killing and slaughtering non-muslims because they don’t want to be muslims. Most of the wars going on around this globe are because of muslim aggression towards others, and towards other muslims.

Here is a timeline of muslim terror, it only goes up to 2004. I suppose there will be other sites that have it up to the current year some time soon. It certainly takes up a lot of disk space to gather the terror, death and chaos!

prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline.Islam

 

[R_not]

You still do not get it, do you?

Muslims are really just too busy concentrating on working to save our own souls, especially during sacred periods like Ramadan, than to spend time worrying about the souls of people who willingly choose not to listen to the Message of Islam.

I don’t know if I can believe that about muslims. Especially after this hadith:
Ishaq:288 "The Quraysh said, 'Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood,

seized property, and taken men captive. Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill.’"

It would explain all these muslims observing Ramadan who start violence in Israel - again.
jihadwatch.org/archives/022563.php

So, how can we believe muslims when not even their own prophet cares? or when muslims can’t even behave themselves in Jerusalem? Or when they are not telling the truth on these threads? Or when they say that there is religious tolerance - on Ramadan - they burn another church?

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022547.php

 

[hamba2han]

Hadith # 13

Abu Hamzah Anas bin Malik, may Allah be pleased with him, who was the servant of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, reported that the Prophet said:

"None of you truly believes (in Allah and in His religion) until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself"

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

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In the Musnad of Imam Ahmad, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

"The servant does not reach the reality of faith until he loves for others what he loves for himself."

In Sahih Muslim from Abdullah ibn Amr Al-***, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

"……Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and enter the garden should die with faith in Allah and the Last Day and should treat the people as he wishes to be treated by them…"
[Sahih Muslim; Book 020, Number 4546]

These three hadiths carry similar meanings that is to love for other Muslims what one loves for oneself. They lay down a very significant principle of behaviour of Muslims with each other. A true Islamic community is when it is built upon love and compassion for its members. Every member should care for and help one another. They should treat others in ways they want to be treated.

Loving goodness for others is part of loving them. We love good things for them as much as we love those things for ourselves.

 

[R_not]

Hadith # 13

Abu Hamzah Anas bin Malik, may Allah be pleased with him, who was the servant of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, reported that the Prophet said:

"None of you truly believes (in Allah and in His religion) until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself"

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

===================

In the Musnad of Imam Ahmad, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

"The servant does not reach the reality of faith until he loves for others what he loves for himself."

In Sahih Muslim from Abdullah ibn Amr Al-***, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

"……Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and enter the garden should die with faith in Allah and the Last Day and should treat the people as he wishes to be treated by them…"
[Sahih Muslim; Book 020, Number 4546]

These three hadiths carry similar meanings that is to love for other Muslims what one loves for oneself. They lay down a very significant principle of behaviour of Muslims with each other. A true Islamic community is when it is built upon love and compassion for its members. Every member should care for and help one another. They should treat others in ways they want to be treated.

Loving goodness for others is part of loving them. We love good things for them as much as we love those things for ourselves.

I find this one ironic coming from muslims. But, then we read further in your post and find it is ‘only for muslims’. Go figure. I certainly am not surprised. But, since we find that more muslims kill muslims each day - I don’t think that most muslims follow the koran and hadiths.

In fact, what has happened in a ‘religion’ that creates psychopathic murderers, the murderers have no problem murdering their own.

The worst human abuses are in islamic countries, and then in communist countries, and as for caring for each other - even that isn’t done. muslim charities are not sent to the poor muslims - it is sent to buy more bombs for jihadists, or whatever jihadists need.

 

[Silouan]

Hadith # 13

Abu Hamzah Anas bin Malik, may Allah be pleased with him, who was the servant of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, reported that the Prophet said:

"None of you truly believes (in Allah and in His religion) until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself"

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

The original complier, Imam Nawawi, in his short commentary of the 40 hadith, was of the opinion that this hadith refers to both Muslims and non-Muslims. This commentary has been translated and is entitled, 40 hadith complete.

Imam Nawawi was Shafi in Fiqh. The Shafi madhab is the dominated madhab of Yemen. When I was Muslim, I was taught via a CD set on Dawah, from Habib Ali, that Muslims are to look at non-Muslims as their brothers, and he used the Quran verse,

Quran 11:50

“And to the (tribe of) Ad (We sent) their** brother** Hud…”

In this verse it refers to Hud as a brother of the disbelievers of Ad.
That is what I was taught.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[hamba2han]

Hadith # 14

On the authority of Ibn Mas’ud, may Allah be pleased with him, who said: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said:

"The blood of a man who is a Muslim is not lawful (i.e. cannot be lawfully shed), save if he belongs to one of three (classes): a married man who is an adulterer; life for a life (i.e. for murder); one who is a deserter of his religion, abandoning the community.”

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

Before the arrival of Islam, human life had no value. A person can easily be killed for many different reasons, e.g. revenge, to show the superiority of a tribe, killing a newborn baby girl because it was considered a shame, etc.

When Islam arrived, it stressed on the value and importance of human life. A life must not be threatened unless it is lawful, i.e. where a serious violation of the shariah had occurred. Islam also made it clear that the taking of a human life is the responsibility of the highest authority, i.e. the judge. This is to prevent this practice from being abused for personal interests.

Islam has established rules and regulations for the community that minimise the need to carry out the execution of a man or woman as allowed by the three cases defined in the hadith. Islam is a peaceful religion and it has established rules where people respect each other and live together peacefully, without lives being threatened.

In the case of zina (extramarital sex), Islam has rules for the Muslim society that regulate relationships. Hence, it is very difficult for the cases mentioned to occur if these rules and regulations are observed.

As for ‘deserting the religion’, the Muslim community is based on knowledge where ilm and da’wah are continuously being disseminated and conveyed. Thus people are aware of their religious obligations and the minds of the society are well-protected from being manipulated. All these measures have been set up by Islam to minimise the occurrences of these exceptional cases where the taking of a human life is allowed.

These truly are exceptional cases because during the time of the Prophet, peace be upon him, (and later during the era of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs) there were only a few cases where such violations or problems occurred.

This hadith places emphasis on the value of the human life and not on the punishments permissible for the three cases mentioned. Islam has put in place a system which leads to minimising the occurrences of the three cases. There are strategies, obligations, etc., which help the Muslims to avoid these acts.

Opponents of Islam look at the hadith in a negative way where they accuse Islam of being murderous and barbaric. But the truth of the matter is Islam values human life, just as it values chastity (iffah or taharah) - a virtue which has lost its value in these contemporary times because of the evil being promoted by the opponents via the media and negative side of technology. These negative influences have also caused some Muslims to interpret this hadith negatively.

 

[R_not]

Hadith # 14

On the authority of Ibn Mas’ud, may Allah be pleased with him, who said: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said:

"The blood of a man who is a Muslim is not lawful (i.e. cannot be lawfully shed), save if he belongs to one of three (classes): a married man who is an adulterer; life for a life (i.e. for murder); one who is a deserter of his religion, abandoning the community.”

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

Before the arrival of Islam, human life had no value. A person can easily be killed for many different reasons, e.g. revenge, to show the superiority of a tribe, killing a newborn baby girl because it was considered a shame, etc.

When Islam arrived, it stressed on the value and importance of human life. A life must not be threatened unless it is lawful, i.e. where a serious violation of the shariah had occurred. Islam also made it clear that the taking of a human life is the responsibility of the highest authority, i.e. the judge. This is to prevent this practice from being abused for personal interests.

Islam has established rules and regulations for the community that minimise the need to carry out the execution of a man or woman as allowed by the three cases defined in the hadith. Islam is a peaceful religion and it has established rules where people respect each other and live together peacefully, without lives being threatened.

In the case of zina (extramarital sex), Islam has rules for the Muslim society that regulate relationships. Hence, it is very difficult for the cases mentioned to occur if these rules and regulations are observed.

As for ‘deserting the religion’, the Muslim community is based on knowledge where ilm and da’wah are continuously being disseminated and conveyed. Thus people are aware of their religious obligations and the minds of the society are well-protected from being manipulated. All these measures have been set up by Islam to minimise the occurrences of these exceptional cases where the taking of a human life is allowed.

These truly are exceptional cases because during the time of the Prophet, peace be upon him, (and later during the era of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs) there were only a few cases where such violations or problems occurred.

This hadith places emphasis on the value of the human life and not on the punishments permissible for the three cases mentioned. Islam has put in place a system which leads to minimising the occurrences of the three cases. There are strategies, obligations, etc., which help the Muslims to avoid these acts.

Opponents of Islam look at the hadith in a negative way where they accuse Islam of being murderous and barbaric. But the truth of the matter is Islam values human life, just as it values chastity (iffah or taharah) - a virtue which has lost its value in these contemporary times because of the evil being promoted by the opponents via the media and negative side of technology. These negative influences have also caused some Muslims to interpret this hadith negatively.

Well, to bad the adherents of islam don’t value life. Sharia laws don’t care what happens to non-muslims, and we see worldwide its adherents wantonly taking lives - atrociously most of the time.

Why is it that you muslims worry more about what we think rather than teaching your own this stuff? If you did there would be no problems. So, until you do there are vast differences between what muslims here say and what muslims worldwide do.

 

[hamba2han]

The original complier, Imam Nawawi, in his short commentary of the 40 hadith, was of the opinion that this hadith refers to both Muslims and non-Muslims. This commentary has been translated and is entitled, 40 hadith complete.

Imam Nawawi was Shafi in Fiqh. The Shafi madhab is the dominated madhab of Yemen. When I was Muslim, I was taught via a CD set on Dawah, from Habib Ali, that Muslims are to look at non-Muslims as their brothers, and he used the Quran verse,

Quran 11:50

“And to the (tribe of) Ad (We sent) their** brother** Hud…”

In this verse it refers to Hud as a brother of the disbelievers of Ad.
That is what I was taught.

In Christ,

Silouan

While Islam does indeed exhort the believers to be kind and gentle to the unbelievers who do not fight them in their faith, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in his last sermon reminded his followers that all Muslims should treat each other as brothers and sisters:

"Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood."
[Part of the sermon which was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul-Hijjah 10 A.H. in the ‘Uranah valley of Mount Arafat’ in Makkah.]