Leaving out the handshake at the sign of peace?

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AMEN!!!

So very glad our priests LEAVE US IN PEACE to focus on Christ, Who is more often than not completely forgotten on the altar while the congregation, and sometimes even the priest, travel up and down aisles, and wrench backs and arms and necks to get to everyone they possibly can reach. So disruptive.

~Liza
 
It’s always a loss when a celebrant chooses to delete the sign of peace.
 
We did that once at our church (Latin rite), but most people seemed really confused about it. To my knowledge it was never done again.
I admit that it does take 100% cooperation to make it work so any confusion would probably cause discontinuation of the practice. 😦
 
Two different local parishes I attend handle it without touching. My understanding is that this prevents two things: physical disruption of the litugy (the tendency to leap across aisles or otherwise strain to touch others out of some self-conscious sense of compulsion), and concern/revulsion about other people’s personal habits (indelicately referred to in some detail already here ;)), as well as the problem of possible contagion.

So what happens at these two (very different styled) parishes is that people look at others around them (and in other rows) and smile and speak softly, and sometimes gesture with hands (such as a slight bow with hands folded, or a slight, respectful hand gesture – no distracting flourishes). The most important thing seems to be the eye contact.

Here’s another problem that perhaps hasn’t been mentioned:
In one of these two parishes, there is a daily Mass-goer who has some severe nerve disease; it could be something even more involving than Parkinson’s. (He also may be a saint; seeing him, I can’t help but believe he must suffer physically almost all of the time; yet he manages with these challenges to attend daily Mass!) It would be an imposition and an embarrassment to this person to attempt physical contact with him, even though he looks to be the sweetest person ever. I am so humbled by his very presence. He also looks relieved that no one is forcing him to try to exercise his limited powers of mobility! And that relief and joy on his face is there when I turn to him and smile my warmest smile ever. His whole face lights up with joy. That’s all that is needed to communicate The Peace of Christ!

Finally, I’m not sure that people have mentioned these variables:

~People who don’t wash their hands. Sorry to be indelicate, but this can be a real problem. You touch their hands; their hands are obviously dirty/sticky, and this is by no means limited to children, but can be very common in grown men, and I’ll just leave it there for delicate sensibilities.

~Men who apparently never learned to shake a woman’s hand – women who have one-third to one-fourth of the muscle strength that a man has. I do not come from frail genes, but my hand has been injured so often at these hand-shakes (and hand-holding during the Our Father) that I now refuse to shake a man’s hand during Mass unless I am acquainted with his particular grip already. Some men take a woman’s fingers and crush them. Others seem to think that brutality is a sign of affection. Go figure.

On the constructive side, here is how I would prefer to communicate the Peace of Christ: Biblically. That means that if indeed I know someone in that congregation that I am not at peace with, I approach that person before Mass (if I see him or her) and express peace/ forgiveness/ reconciliation, etc. And if I don’t know such a person, I think it would be wonderful to select one stranger, as one is entering the nave, and wish that person peace, warmly and sincerely – again, before Mass. )Sometimes, for example, after Mass, I will indeed touch someone or someones, but not necessarily their hands. I’ll touch them on the shoulder affectionately. Maybe it’s because I also like people to do that to me.

Then, the priest, after the Our Father, summarizes for the whole congregation that Message of Peace (as the priest now already does) to all of us as one gathered body, after we have done that individually. That way would not “omit” the ritual but handle it differently.
 
Sorry, this flew completely over my head. 😊 What do you mean?

(I’m not French, but I live in France)
Yes, it was a bit cryptic. 😃 Sorry. :console:

I was saying people didn’t want to shake hands with others because they were afraid of catching germs. In my experience, shaking hands is very much a part of French social culture, in addition to kissing. So, French social culture would be really scary for someone who is paranoid about catching germs from people. :bigyikes:

I love France and pretty much everything about it; the country, the language and the way of life, and I think we can learn from it. In France, everyone knows how social etiquette works and how to do it, so there are no problems. I expanded on this in another post. (43)

Personally I don’t think the catching germs bit is the real reason some people don’t like the sign of peace. It’s just an excuse. There are plenty of other things we do everyday that present a greater risk in relation to germs.
 
I admit that it does take 100% cooperation to make it work so any confusion would probably cause discontinuation of the practice. 😦
Then they should have thought to explain it a bit in advance of actually implementing it during a Mass. :mad: As it was, the priest celebrant, our young but enthusiastic parochial vicar - Lord bless him - simply mumbled something just before enacting the practice, so the elderly, the foreigners who aren’t very talented with the local language (like me), and the deaf (also me) were left wondering what was going on. :confused:
Yes, it was a bit cryptic. 😃 Sorry. :console:

I was saying people didn’t want to shake hands with others because they were afraid of catching germs. In my experience, shaking hands is very much a part of French social culture, in addition to kissing. So, French social culture would be really scary for someone who is paranoid about catching germs from people. :bigyikes:

I love France and pretty much everything about it; the country, the language and the way of life, and I think we can learn from it. In France, everyone knows how social etiquette works and how to do it, so there are no problems. I expanded on this in another post. (43)

Personally I don’t think the catching germs bit is the real reason some people don’t like the sign of peace. It’s just an excuse. There are plenty of other things we do everyday that present a greater risk in relation to germs.
You’re right about the social etiquette here - it took me *years *to figure it out and I still don’t always get it right. Fortunately, at my parish everyone is used to my foibles (I’ve been in France for over ten years and in my current parish for six) so they let my errors slide or gently correct me 😊 My poor parish priest, who has been with us for a year and a half, is constantly putting up with me invading his personal space because I just don’t think about it!

As to the sign of peace, I’ll confess that I’m afraid of catching germs. My immune system isn’t very robust and I will catch anything if a person carrying it simply walks a yard in front of me. I once caught a bad cold from my parish priest because I receive Communion on the tongue and he was ill one Sunday, distributing hosts with the hand he used to hold the handkerchief he wiped his nose with. (Sorry, that was probably TMI. :o) But that never stopped me from participating in the sign of peace. Some past winters I’ve missed every other Sunday Mass because I’d caught something at the Masses in between. (I can tell where I caught something by counting back the incubation period starting at the moment I began to feel sick.) For this reason, I carry a small bottle of hand sanitizer in my purse. A little blob before the sign of peace, and a little blob afterwards. It seems to have cut down on my illnesses rather significantly.
 
Most people shake hands during the sign of peace at my Parish. Some people very pointedly refuse to turn towards the person next to them and I just 🤷 and wish them well.

At the daily mass I attend at work, no one shakes hands, even if they are within arms’ length. I just go with it.

For the germophobes, I discreetly clean my hands with hand sanitizer before receiving communion.
 
You’re right about the social etiquette here - it took me *years *to figure it out and I still don’t always get it right. Fortunately, at my parish everyone is used to my foibles (I’ve been in France for over ten years and in my current parish for six) so they let my errors slide or gently correct me 😊 My poor parish priest, who has been with us for a year and a half, is constantly putting up with me invading his personal space because I just don’t think about it!
We all have our foibles, and wouldn’t it be a boring world if we didn’t. 🙂

When I first starting going to France, I found the fact people put your change in a little dish on the counter. I thought it a bit rude, as in my part of the world people tend to put your change in your hand. Putting it on the counter would be considered not very friendly. I know now it’s not, it’s just the way they do things. I have a bit of an aversion to public toilets.
As to the sign of peace, I’ll confess that I’m afraid of catching germs. My immune system isn’t very robust and I will catch anything if a person carrying it simply walks a yard in front of me. I once caught a bad cold from my parish priest because I receive Communion on the tongue and he was ill one Sunday, distributing hosts with the hand he used to hold the handkerchief he wiped his nose with. (Sorry, that was probably TMI. :o)
I wouldn’t find this pleasant, but I’m not a germophobe so I’d just get over it and hope he didn’t repeat the action. However, I do have other little foibles others would find strange, and wonder what the big deal is. I don’t enjoy using public toilets. I feel embarrassed people can hear what’s going on - 😊 - and I don’t know which is more unpleasant; a cold seat, or one that’s still warm from the previous occupant’s anatomy. 🤷 But at the end of the day, when you’ve gotta go, you’ve gotta go. :egyptian:

Mind you, it’s worse when your in desperation, locate a public convenience after much ado, only to find they are closed for cleaning or renovations! I don’t care if they’re dirty or half built, just please, let me go!!! :crying:

And as for those people who use their mobile phone in toilet …:mad:
 
Most people shake hands during the sign of peace at my Parish. Some people very pointedly refuse to turn towards the person next to them and I just 🤷 and wish them well.
That seems to be not that uncommon. And many people get devasted because of this rejection. Perhaps we should resort to what Rev Schuller used to do on his Hour of Power. Have everyone at the beginning turn to one another and say “God loves you and so do I.” Would that be okay, exorcist? :rolleyes:
 
Yes, the invitation to offer one another the sign of peace is optional. Most priests do it, but some refuse Fr. Z. has said before he never does it because it’s disruptive (people kissing, walking up and down the aisles, noise, etc.). The monsignor who runs Annunciation Church in Houston did not do it the time I went there, either. It seems some of the more traditionally-minded priests prefer to skip it.
 
It’s always a loss when a celebrant chooses to delete the sign of peace.
I don’t know how you can make that universal judgement.

If the priest acting in his proper capacity believes, that in a particalur place and time, the sign of peace will be disruptive to the solemnity of the Mass, he should absolutely omit it.

It’s not necessary to the Mass; it never occurs in the Extraordinary Form, except for the Priests/Deacons exchanging the kiss of peace at High Mass.

The most you can say is that sometimes it may be a loss, but sometimes a benefit to omit it.

God Bless
 
That seems to be not that uncommon. And many people get devasted because of this rejection.
People’s self-worth is predicated upon whether a complete stranger does or does not fulfill an optional custom, and are “devastated” by that? :eek:

I’m not “devastated” if that happens to me. I consider it instead my responsibility to extend the greeting (very often someone is uncomfortable or shy) in some way that does not discomfort the other person – such as later, or merely a smile, etc. And if a person bristles at that, that doesn’t “devastate” me either. That’s my opportunity to pray for his or her consolation.
 
A sporting event is different than at mass. Plus as Christians we do, or we should do, things different than the rest of the world.
So it’s legally actionable to kick someone (at least partially inadvertently) during a sporting event and not during the celebration of the Mass when there is nothing inadvertent about the kick? That’s just silly.

:rotfl:
 
I don’t know how you can make that universal judgement.

If the priest acting in his proper capacity believes, that in a particalur place and time, the sign of peace will be disruptive to the solemnity of the Mass, he should absolutely omit it.

It’s not necessary to the Mass; it never occurs in the Extraordinary Form, except for the Priests/Deacons exchanging the kiss of peace at High Mass.

The most you can say is that sometimes it may be a loss, but sometimes a benefit to omit it.

God Bless
It’s always a loss. It would be nice to hear EWTN’s explanation for no sign of peace during their daily Mass. If they told the truth they would say something like “because removing it fits with the severe facade we want to broadcast to our viewers. It’s more ‘traditional’”

I enjoy it when visiting bishops celebrate the Mass on EWTN and include the sign of peace. The faithful are very proper in their actions. It’s just beautiful.
 
The most charming I saw was a Mass in Iraq. The way it was conducted was the priest shook hands with the alter servers. The alter servers went down the isle, shaking hands with the person setting on the end of the pew. That person turned and shook hands with the person next to him, and it continued down the pew…Kinda like a Wave at a footboall game.
A Maronite priest explained it to me as all peace coming from Christ’s altar . . .

hawk
 
I don’t know how you can make that universal judgement.

If the priest acting in his proper capacity believes, that in a particalur place and time, the sign of peace will be disruptive to the solemnity of the Mass, he should absolutely omit it.

It’s not necessary to the Mass; it never occurs in the Extraordinary Form, except for the Priests/Deacons exchanging the kiss of peace at High Mass.

The most you can say is that sometimes it may be a loss, but sometimes a benefit to omit it.

God Bless
As I said, it’s always a loss when it’s omitted. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong for the celebrant to do so, but it’s still a loss. That brief physical (or at least personal) acknowledgement and feedback that we stand on Calvary together as the Church is awesomely powerful. When it’s omitted, it’s a loss.
 
I’ve noticed so far in FL it is normal to have TWO “signs of peace”. Before Mass begins, a lector or cantor goes to the lectern and has everyone “stand and shake hands and greet those around you”. When we get to the actual sign of peace, we shake hands again with the same people. It’s awkward.
 
I’ve noticed so far in FL it is normal to have TWO “signs of peace”. Before Mass begins, a lector or cantor goes to the lectern and has everyone “stand and shake hands and greet those around you”. When we get to the actual sign of peace, we shake hands again with the same people. It’s awkward.
There is a parish near us that does that. You’re right. It is awkward.
 
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