Leaving pro-life literature, where is it legal?

[Amolibri]

As I read the posts in this thread I couldn’t help but wonder if those who were so adamantly against leaving pro-life anti-abortion business cards or literature around, at least as vigorously argue to rid our airways of commercials for personal lubricants and Viagra and Yaz and Gardasil, and commercials and television shows with tongue-down-the-throat kissing and partial nudity, etc. How many of these same people would say that the ‘wardrobe malfunction’ at the Super Bowl was no big deal? These are just a few examples of things in our everyday life that are accepted by many who would then in the same breath go ballistic about anything pro-life and anti-abortion.

I think I already know the answer to my question.

You do??? I think you assume quite a lot about free speech rights. Censorship is the proverbial slippery slope, my friend.(you seem to know quite a bit about these ‘horrible’ things…more than I do! ) I am all for community and family standards, but when people try to censor the public airwaves…they’d better be careful…someday YOU may be the minority…or have NO power. You still have the power of the purse. Boycotts are probably the best action to take.

NO ONE is forcing you to watch any of the things you cited. This is the “free” market, remember? If people were not paying to see those things, they would not be there. Make your views known to the sponsors. People will not let go of their “forbidden fruit” too easily. We have created a society of voyeurs, it seems to me.

 

[KarenNC]

As I read the posts in this thread I couldn’t help but wonder if those who were so adamantly against leaving pro-life anti-abortion business cards or literature around, at least as vigorously argue to rid our airways of commercials for personal lubricants and Viagra and Yaz and Gardasil, and commercials and television shows with tongue-down-the-throat kissing and partial nudity, etc. How many of these same people would say that the ‘wardrobe malfunction’ at the Super Bowl was no big deal? These are just a few examples of things in our everyday life that are accepted by many who would then in the same breath go ballistic about anything pro-life and anti-abortion.

I think I already know the answer to my question.

I would be just as happy if those things were not as prevalent honestly. Personally, we handle it by no longer watching cable or regular TV (we have a TV, but only use it to watch videos), and we are pretty selective in which movies we choose to take our daughter to. I also quit listening to NPR several years ago because the content was simply too mature for my child to be listening to until she is older.

It is sounding like you are expecting that pro-choice people are running around celebrating the wonders of abortion with their preschool children, having happy abortion parties or something? Wallpapering the nursery with Playboy/Playgirl?

For anyone who is choosing to use these sorts of graphic tactics, let me know when you are planning a slideshow of them for your preschool and kindergarten Sunday School classes. Perhaps you are putting up posters of them in the church nursery and preschool. Take the preschool on field trips to crack houses and the local drunk tank? Don’t want to let someone else show them to your young children first, do you?

Have a sense of perspective. There is a time and a place for everything. Advocate for your position, but do it in a responsible manner. Preschool is not the time to make sure a child knows every possibly ugly thing that exists in life. That is not what Jesus meant when He said “suffer the little children.”

 

[KarenNC]

I disagree. I feel that little cards, and bumper stickers are an aid to ones message, that is the person who distributes the cards or has the bumper sticker isn’t afraid to engage in conversation. He is just trying to reach as many people as possible, and trying to do it in various ways. I mean - if you’re on the freeway you can’t have a personal discussion with everyone behind you, but you can have a bumper sticker. And while you can’t talk to everyone that walks into a doctors office - you can communicate a simple truth by a friendly card.

I place a bumper sticker on my personal property. I do not stick it on someone else’s car, leave them lying around public restrooms for employees to have to clean up, stick them in library books, etc.

He is free to put whatever bumper sticker he likes on his car. I hope he also shows some restraint and sense of decency when he chooses the images for that.

 

[boppaid]

As I read the posts in this thread I couldn’t help but wonder if those who were so adamantly against leaving pro-life anti-abortion business cards or literature around, at least as vigorously argue to rid our airways of commercials for personal lubricants and Viagra and Yaz and Gardasil, and commercials and television shows with tongue-down-the-throat kissing and partial nudity, etc. How many of these same people would say that the ‘wardrobe malfunction’ at the Super Bowl was no big deal? These are just a few examples of things in our everyday life that are accepted by many who would then in the same breath go ballistic about anything pro-life and anti-abortion.

I think I already know the answer to my question.

Yes, you probably do. My answer is in post 16. It is:

Karen, I completely agree. And it doesn’t matter to me if I agree with their message or not…face to face, people!

 

[mapleoak]

I disagree. I feel that little cards, and bumper stickers are an aid to ones message, that is the person who distributes the cards or has the bumper sticker isn’t afraid to engage in conversation. He is just trying to reach as many people as possible, and trying to do it in various ways. I mean - if you’re on the freeway you can’t have a personal discussion with everyone behind you, but you can have a bumper sticker. And while you can’t talk to everyone that walks into a doctors office - you can communicate a simple truth by a friendly card.

Catholig

I would love to know where I can get some graphic bumper stickers.

 

[Amolibri]

I would love to know where I can get some graphic bumper stickers.

I would love to know why.

 

[mapleoak]

I would love to know why.

Because my tractor is peppered with pro-life bumper stickers that are all text. I Need some variety. It is probably dangerous for people to struggle to read all those words when driving down the interstate when a picture will do.

I mentioned the following on a previous thread about a similar subject, but appliance is to this topic also:
“I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever to not show pictures of the realities of what goes on in our world. I cannot fathom how a child no less anyone else could possibly be marred or damaged from seeing such. It is an irrational fear that to say a 5 year old child who sees a picture of an aborted baby will withdraw into oblivion and be socially damaged. I would happen to believe the people who have the hardest time are those who were not exposed early on and always believed the world to be nothing, but warmth and fuzz.”
A grim reality, indeed. There is an old saying, “A picture is worth a thousand words”. How true in the case of the horrific nature of abortion, which seems to be so well shielded from the general public.

 

[Amolibri]

Because my tractor is peppered with pro-life bumper stickers that are all text. I Need some variety. It is probably dangerous for people to struggle to read all those words when driving down the interstate when a picture will do.

I mentioned the following on a previous thread about a similar subject, but appliance is to this topic also:
“I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever to not show pictures of the realities of what goes on in our world. I cannot fathom how a child no less anyone else could possibly be marred or damaged from seeing such. It is an irrational fear that to say a 5 year old child who sees a picture of an aborted baby will withdraw into oblivion and be socially damaged. I would happen to believe the people who have the hardest time are those who were not exposed early on and always believed the world to be nothing, but warmth and fuzz.”
A grim reality, indeed. There is an old saying, “A picture is worth a thousand words”. How true in the case of the horrific nature of abortion, which seems to be so well shielded from the general public.

Dear Mapleoak:
I must think on what you’ve said.

My initial reaction is one of “why do you think you can impose this visual aggression on others?” We all have our limits and sensitivities…for ourselves and our families. This “communication” style is something I would not do…but it goes to the principle of censorship, which I am essentially against. We are (fortunately) free to shield our young ones from what we consider to be inappropriate or damaging. I hope you will think about this too.
Thank you for planting this seed.

 

[mapleoak]

Dear Mapleoak:
I must think on what you’ve said.

My initial reaction is one of “why do you think you can impose this visual aggression on others?” We all have our limits and sensitivities…for ourselves and our families. This “communication” style is something I would not do…but it goes to the principle of censorship, which I am essentially against. We are (fortunately) free to shield our young ones from what we consider to be inappropriate or damaging. I hope you will think about this too.
Thank you for planting this seed.

Yes, and thank you as well. I agree, balancing consideration for others sensibilities while promoting public awareness can be challenging indeed. I will think on this likewise.

 

[thomasf]

Abortion issues, and the pro-life message often isn’t something you can discuss face to face with people. It’s a heated issue that gets people on either side worked up. Yeah, it would be great if you could walk around talking rationally to everyone you meet about pro-life issues and explain the catholic view of it. But that’s not possible in today’s society.

There’s something people aren’t getting here. Leaving all those cards and literature laying around for people to see is in essence advertising. You know how companies pay big $$ to put their products in films? You’ll see subway or coke or pepsi or whatever pop up in a film or tv show over and over again? That’s there to advertise to you. To get you to subconsciously recognize that product. And the way that works is by quantity. The more you see that, the more you store it away in your brain, and the more likely you are to make a choice for that product when the time comes.

When I started my business, the best thing I did was to plaster my business name everywhere. I still do. Even if a person isn’t looking for my business or service now, the more they see that name and the more it becomes a part of their daily experience, the more likely they will be to call me when the time comes. Do you really think coke or pepsi or the beer companies make all those entertaining commercials that have nothing to do with their products for fun? NO, it’s to pound their product into your brain as much as possible. The more you see that, the more likely you will be to choose them when the time comes.

The other side of the abortion issue has a leg up already. Society, law, and the pro-choice movement bombard us daily with ideas that it’s a choice, premarital, abnormal sex is okay, and the best way to deal with the consequences is to kill the baby. It’s all over our culture. So if, when the time comes, people are going to make a choice based on what they see every day, what they think society is telling them is the best thing to do with an ‘unwanted pregnancy’.

Really. Think of the young girl who gets into trouble and is pregnant. She’s going to take the easy way out if she sees it as acceptable. With society telling her that it’s okay to abort, it’s her choice, that’s going to be her decision. Especially if no one stands up and tells her she has another option.

If that girl can be reached by leaving a card in a book that says “Choose Life” or a bumper sticker, or a tshirt, or a sign, or whatever, then why wouldn’t you try? What is it going to hurt to leave a card on a counter somewhere that some troubled girl might see? You don’t know, that might be the thing that stops her. Or the woman who sees people that wear pro-life tshirts or bumper stickers every day. When the time comes, she might actually stop to think, this is an option as well.

The problem is, a lot of christians, a lot of catholics, will take time to argue with someone and get into a non-productive discussion about abortion. Most likely, you’re not going to change anyone’s mind doing that. But what does impact people is someone taking a stand, living what they believe, and evangelizing without words. Living what they believe. Do you really believe in pro-life? Then why not live it? Why not be an example? Why not go out on a limb and let people know, be an advertisement for God?

 

[Amolibri]

Abortion issues, and the pro-life message often isn’t something you can discuss face to face with people. It’s a heated issue that gets people on either side worked up. Yeah, it would be great if you could walk around talking rationally to everyone you meet about pro-life issues and explain the catholic view of it. But that’s not possible in today’s society.

There’s something people aren’t getting here. Leaving all those cards and literature laying around for people to see is in essence advertising. You know how companies pay big $$ to put their products in films? You’ll see subway or coke or pepsi or whatever pop up in a film or tv show over and over again? That’s there to advertise to you. To get you to subconsciously recognize that product. And the way that works is by quantity. The more you see that, the more you store it away in your brain, and the more likely you are to make a choice for that product when the time comes.

When I started my business, the best thing I did was to plaster my business name everywhere. I still do. Even if a person isn’t looking for my business or service now, the more they see that name and the more it becomes a part of their daily experience, the more likely they will be to call me when the time comes. Do you really think coke or pepsi or the beer companies make all those entertaining commercials that have nothing to do with their products for fun? NO, it’s to pound their product into your brain as much as possible. The more you see that, the more likely you will be to choose them when the time comes.

The other side of the abortion issue has a leg up already. Society, law, and the pro-choice movement bombard us daily with ideas that it’s a choice, premarital, abnormal sex is okay, and the best way to deal with the consequences is to kill the baby. It’s all over our culture. So if, when the time comes, people are going to make a choice based on what they see every day, what they think society is telling them is the best thing to do with an ‘unwanted pregnancy’.

Really. Think of the young girl who gets into trouble and is pregnant. She’s going to take the easy way out if she sees it as acceptable. With society telling her that it’s okay to abort, it’s her choice, that’s going to be her decision. Especially if no one stands up and tells her she has another option.

If that girl can be reached by leaving a card in a book that says “Choose Life” or a bumper sticker, or a tshirt, or a sign, or whatever, then why wouldn’t you try? What is it going to hurt to leave a card on a counter somewhere that some troubled girl might see? You don’t know, that might be the thing that stops her. Or the woman who sees people that wear pro-life tshirts or bumper stickers every day. When the time comes, she might actually stop to think, this is an option as well.

The problem is, a lot of christians, a lot of catholics, will take time to argue with someone and get into a non-productive discussion about abortion. Most likely, you’re not going to change anyone’s mind doing that. But what does impact people is someone taking a stand, living what they believe, and evangelizing without words. Living what they believe. Do you really believe in pro-life? Then why not live it? Why not be an example? Why not go out on a limb and let people know, be an advertisement for God?

Thomas:
Don’t know if you’ve read the last 2 posts…but *no one is stopping you from expressing issues you feel passionate about. * We live in a society that respects private property rights. When you “plastered” your business ads everywhere…unless you paid for the space, someone could say "I don’t want your ads on my property (store, parking lot, wall, etc.)
We now have the internet…a great tool to be used for benefit or for detriment to our society and our world. We all can, and do express our opinions.

Yes, by all means, we must all be an example of what we hold as the best we can be. It’s people’s boundaries that we must be conscious of, and respect. That’s all we are saying.

 

[KarenNC]

I mentioned the following on a previous thread about a similar subject, but appliance is to this topic also:
“I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever to not show pictures of the realities of what goes on in our world. I cannot fathom how a child no less anyone else could possibly be marred or damaged from seeing such. It is an irrational fear that to say a 5 year old child who sees a picture of an aborted baby will withdraw into oblivion and be socially damaged. I would happen to believe the people who have the hardest time are those who were not exposed early on and always believed the world to be nothing, but warmth and fuzz.”
A grim reality, indeed. There is an old saying, “A picture is worth a thousand words”. How true in the case of the horrific nature of abortion, which seems to be so well shielded from the general public.

I am profoundly sorry for any young child in your care if you really and truly feel that young children need to have their faces rubbed in all the grim realities of our world. Young children are not “the general public.” As I said before, is it necessary for three year olds to watch videos of autopsies of murder victims or those who died in fires before naptime because that happens, watch “Hamburger Hill” during snack along with the animal crackers and juice boxes because war happens, etc? Do you show the movie “The Passion” to your kindergarten and preschool students? Did I miss the Catholic version of Sesame Street with episodes in the drunk tank, the brothel, the crack house? Mr. Rogers visits Dafur? I suppose that programs that send children from war-torn countries to somewhere that they can experience some normalcy is simply mollycoddling, because of course the more graphic “grim realities” one is exposed to at a very young age, the better socially adjusted and mentally healthy they are. Planning on sending a pack of preschoolers from your church to Iraq for vacation to enhance their development?

These things are indeed “grim realities.” Even Hollywood recognizes that there are images that are not appropriate or desirable at various ages and uses a ratings system.

Being selective about the things to which my child is exposed when possible is, admittedly, a luxury, one for which I am profoundly grateful. We do not live in grinding poverty, in a crime-riddled section of town where she is going to find syringes and condoms all over the playground or risk being shot by sitting on the front porch. We are not in the middle of an active war zone or suffering starvation. I fall to my knees in gratitude for this on a daily basis, because we were able to move away from some of these situations and, while we have never had to experience some of the others, my parents have and continue to tell the stories. I could not let my child play outside by herself in my own backyard, could not take her to the local park. Had a police officer tell me we lived in the second worst crime zone in our city (and the city is sizable). Did not take her to the local mall because I didn’t want to have her witness a robbery, shooting or gang fight, which happened on a regular enough basis that I was concerned. When our house was on the market, there were 7 murders in two miles of my house in two weeks. Weekly incidents in the area of drug and gang related violence. We moved precisely because there are situations and “grim realities” we did not want our then 4 year old to grow up among (assuming she survived it).

Perhaps you have never experienced a child in screaming nightmares for days after they have seen things they were not ready for (images or movies that were too scary for them) or had a child so worried about the gunshot she heard outside that she couldn’t sleep. The effects of exposure are also cumulative.

Fortunately we are not faced with choosing only between Caligula and Pollyanna, there are graded responses available.There is a broad continuum between believing that seeing a single picture will leave a child “withdrawn and socially damaged” and desiring not to plaster their environment with the most graphic images available to make a point to other adults. It’s called having some common sense and realizing that there is a time and place for everything rather than all the time and every place for everything. Images can be very powerful when used appropriately and, yes, one should make one’s child aware of “grim realities” when they are developmentally ready to process such information.

 

[boppaid]

Thomas, it’s different than advertising. Advertisers have to pay a fee to do that. I don’t think that’s what the original poster is doing. However, if someone wants to leave messages to people in privately owned places of businesses, I have no problem with it, so long is the owner of the establishment approves it beforehand. (I’d be sure to get it in writing, too.)

 

[RichT]

I don’t see anything wrong with the cards the OP is talking about. I do have a hard time with the more graphic images being in public view, especially in light of children. And then again I think of what my 8 year old daughter and I saw in the grocery store yesterday after mass. Two teen girls dressed in very little, each wearing shorts that read “F%*K OFF” on ther backsides. Our children will be exposed to things we will have no control over whether we like it or not. We as parents had better be prepared to do a lot of explaining when they start asking questions.

So, considiering what we are up against, we had also better prepare our children at an early age to value life, before the otherside gets to them first. I’m not suggesting we show our young ones these graphic images, but I certainly hope those who don’t want to have to explain things like abortion to their little ones don’t regret not starting early. Either you can expain it, or the world can. I know that for me, I will explain before the world gets a chance.

 

[mapleoak]

I am profoundly sorry for any young child in your care if you really and truly feel that young children need to have their faces rubbed in all the grim realities of our world.

Thank you for your concern about any children I may have in my care. They will know and understand the evil of abortion, as I did at the ‘tender’ age of 5.

Perhaps you have never experienced a child in screaming nightmares for days after they have seen things they were not ready for (images or movies that were too scary for them) or had a child so worried about the gunshot she heard outside that she couldn’t sleep. The effects of exposure are also cumulative.

Perhaps my view happens to be rather tainted by the fact of having had the privelege of growing up on a farm. Even before the age of 5 there was planted deeply the understanding of where our food comes from, for example. I was ‘exposed’ to slaughtered animals being skinned and gutted all the while instructed on what it means to properly care for and respect animals as God’s creatures while they are alive. Actually, it was a bit more than exposure, rather participation. It never caused nightmares. Bring a city kid into that same situation, who has never been exposed to the ‘grim reality’ of where there food comes from, yes there may be some explaining to do. There certainly was no cumulative effect involved. In fact, I believe it works the opposite of what you are saying; the more exposure, the more jaded. Watch horror movies all the time, and they eventually lose their shock element.

This all goes back to saying, if children are shocked and cowering in fear because they see a picture of an aborted baby, there are larger issues at hand. Maybe it has been too late to show them such pictures. How about showing them even earlier.

Again, it goes back to the artificial presentation of a happy, evil free world. And for what good reason do kids need to perceive the world as all good with no evil? Only because one does not want to spend the time to adequately instruct or explain things to them. This is what I would consider to be welcome opportunities to answer their honest questions with appropriate instruction to give them valuable lessons during a time in their lives when they are most susceptible to influence. If you do not instuct them, believe me, someone else will. You will not know until they come to you after the fact (if they come at all). This applies to other issues as well, besides abortion. Better to be the first source of influence, rather than second.

 

[KarenNC]

**Perhaps my view happens to be rather tainted by the fact of having had the privelege of growing up on a farm. Even before the age of 5 there was planted deeply the understanding of where our food comes from, for example. I was ‘exposed’ to slaughtered animals being skinned and gutted all the while instructed on what it means to properly care for and respect animals as God’s creatures while they are alive. Actually, it was a bit more than exposure, rather participation. It never caused nightmares. Bring a city kid into that same situation, who has never been exposed to the ‘grim reality’ of where there food comes from, yes there may be some explaining to do. **

Then by all means send your preschoolers on a field trip to the local abortion clinic to participate in clean up afterwards, since obviously the more active and earlier the exposure the better. I am sure that you know where they are in your city. It won’t hurt them at all, according to your arguments. Make sure that you emphasize regularly that these are just like their baby brothers and sisters. Point out the little heads and arms, etc. Throw in some lessons on how to appropriately care for and respect babies, too. Give them some photos of themselves there to take home as souvenirs. Then you won’t have to worry that they are not fully iinformed.

Interesting that you equate the slaughter of animals for food and the slaughter of humans.

There certainly was no cumulative effect involved. In fact, I believe it works the opposite of what you are saying; the more exposure, the more jaded. Watch horror movies all the time, and they eventually lose their shock element.

Then by all means plaster these graphic images everywhere so that young children become jaded to the sight of dead human beings in various states of dismemberment and it will no longer shocks or concerns them. That will do wonders for the pro-life movement’s goals, I am sure.

Frankly, I want the sight of dead human beings to be shocking to my child.

Again, it goes back to the artificial presentation of a happy, evil free world. And for what good reason do kids need to perceive the world as all good with no evil? Only because one does not want to spend the time to adequately instruct or explain things to them. This is what I would consider to be welcome opportunities to answer their honest questions with appropriate instruction to give them valuable lessons during a time in their lives when they are most susceptible to influence.

In what way is not choosing to show graphic photos of dead human beings an “artificial presentation of a happy, evil-free world?” The key phrase in the above is “appropriate instruction.” I do not consider such graphic images to fall into the category of “appropriate” for a young child.

 

[KarenNC]

*I don’t see anything wrong with the cards the OP is talking about. I do have a hard time with the more graphic images being in public view, especially in light of children. And then again I think of what my 8 year old daughter and I saw in the grocery store yesterday after mass. Two teen girls dressed in very little, each wearing shorts that read "F%K OFF" on ther backsides. Our children will be exposed to things we will have no control over whether we like it or not. We as parents had better be prepared to do a lot of explaining when they start asking questions.

I am glad you are at least a bit troubled over the graphic images.

Yes, they will “be exposed to things we will have no control over whether we like it or not.” I am prepared to explain if I have to. I had simply harbored the evidently naive hope that people who claim to follow the teachings and example of Jesus in his treatment of others would not be the ones choosing to perpetrate such exposure.

Is such truly what you believe Jesus would do?

So, considiering what we are up against, we had also better prepare our children at an early age to value life, before the otherside gets to them first. I’m not suggesting we show our young ones these graphic images, but I certainly hope those who don’t want to have to explain things like abortion to their little ones don’t regret not starting early. Either you can expain it, or the world can. I know that for me, I will explain before the world gets a chance.

My particular point is that there are better, more appropriate ways of teaching children the value and sacredness of life.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

It was more sarcasm than anything. I’m sure it’s perfectly legal to distribute pro-life literature in your country…for now.

Whew!

 

[thomasf]

Thomas, it’s different than advertising. Advertisers have to pay a fee to do that. I don’t think that’s what the original poster is doing. However, if someone wants to leave messages to people in privately owned places of businesses, I have no problem with it, so long is the owner of the establishment approves it beforehand. (I’d be sure to get it in writing, too.)

It’s exactly like advertising. I pay money to have fliers and business cards and signs and all sorts of marketing materials made up, and I put them everywhere I can to get my name out. That’s the whole point with this. Putting “choose life” or “stop abortion” cards or wear the tshirt or bumper sticker or put a sign in your yard or whatever to get the message out to as many people as possible. I put my business name everywhere to get it into people’s heads. Why not put pro-life marketing materials everywhere to get it into people’s heads?

Every time we have an election, the candidates plaster their yard signs EVERYWHERE around the city to get their name out. Why? Most people, especially for small local offices, don’t bother to find out who’s doing what or what they stand for. Most people will look at the ballot, see a name they recognize, maybe a party they recognize, and check that persons name. That’s how it works, and it works well. Otherwise those people wouldn’t bother plastering their yard signs everywhere and putting their name all over the area.

Why not put a pro-life message everywhere and do the same thing? People think about these issues in the same way they do unknown candidates. THey see the majority of the people around them agreeing with pro-choice. THey see the secular media, society, the law, all pushing this message that it’s a woman’s choice and that’s all. So they agree, and go along with it. The only people that argue against it are religious, the pope, crazy people, etc. They see people picketing planned parenthood. And think that just the crazies are pro-life. So they go along with the crowd, not stopping to think about what is really going on, and agree with pro-choice.

How do I know? THat was me, especially when I was younger. And that’s how I thought.

Now let’s think for a moment. If instead of only seeing a pro-choice message from their friends, they start seeing normal, average, everyday people with pro-life tshirts or signs or stickers. Suddenly they see their neighbors promoting pro-life. They go to the store and see a pro-life business card stuck to the bulletin board in the lobby. Suddenly the pro-life message is penetrating their world, in a sane and simple way. Suddenly, that person starts to think that there’s more to this issue than feminists vs religious wackos. And maybe, just maybe because you left a few b-cards laying around, and because you took a stand and decided to advertise for God, you changed someone’s mind.

Oh what a horrible thing that would be.

 

[mapleoak]

Then by all means send your preschoolers on a field trip to the local abortion clinic to participate in clean up afterwards, since obviously the more active and earlier the exposure the better.

Not sure how you equate participation in murder with graphic bumper stickers.

I am sure that you know where they are in your city. It won’t hurt them at all, according to your arguments.

Which argument? Curious to know where you deduced from what I had written that it is alright to participate in the dealings of abortion clinics.

Make sure that you emphasize regularly that these are just like their baby brothers and sisters. Point out the little heads and arms, etc.

Yes, when they see a picture of an aborted baby, it IS important that they realize that it is a fully human unborn child. Where are you going with this?

Throw in some lessons on how to appropriately care for and respect babies, too. Give them some photos of themselves there to take home as souvenirs. Then you won’t have to worry that they are not fully iinformed.

???

Interesting that you equate the slaughter of animals for food and the slaughter of humans.

This is a totally ignorant statement and was uncalled for. No such equation was made. Read my post again, but try to think while doing so. Also, this does nothing to further your argument. It is nothing more than an ineffective debating technique.

Then by all means plaster these graphic images everywhere so that young children become jaded to the sight of dead human beings in various states of dismemberment and it will no longer shocks or concerns them. That will do wonders for the pro-life movement’s goals, I am sure.

The intent is to bring to public awareness the sad reality of what is happening daily on our bloodthirsty soil. In doing so, children are going to see these images also. Saying that they will have nightmares after seeing such pictures is a rather baseless assertion. I know of no one, in all the time I have been involved in right to life organizations, of anyone who said there child was marred from exposure to abortion photos. It is up to you whether you are going to spend the appropriate time with them so they have a proper understanding of the evil of abortion.

Frankly, I want the sight of dead human beings to be shocking to my child.

I’m going to make an ignorant statement also: Earlier, you said you didn’t want you children to see anything that would shock them. Might give them nightmares.
Eventually, like it or not, they are going to see something that is upsetting. If they are in total shock after seeing it (as if they have never been instructed on what abortion is or what happens) it is a reflection on you as a parent.

In what way is not choosing to show graphic photos of dead human beings an “artificial presentation of a happy, evil-free world?” The key phrase in the above is “appropriate instruction.” I do not consider such graphic images to fall into the category of “appropriate” for a young child.

The intent of displaying graphic photos is not to provide “age appropriate” instruction to toddlers. It is to raise public awareness of the most gruesome issue plaguing the world today. How your children handle it is under your control. I assure you, my children will suffer no ill effects from it, as neither did I. It is “shocking” that this issue isn’t at the forefront of every newspaper and television broadcast. I fail to see any other issue that comes even finitely close to the magnitude of abortion. Graphic pictures being a ‘shock’ to anyone at all is a reality check, as obviously there is no excuse for people to be ignorant of the legal murder happening unchecked all around them. Remember, 4000+/- unborn every single day in the U.S.