Leaving the Democrats

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I left the Democrat Party in 1981. Has anyone else noticed that on social issues , other than capital punishment, the Democrat party always comes down on the side of death?

ie-abortion,euthanasia, fetal stem cell research, etc. In fact oppostion to captial punishment is about the only issue I agree with in the party that once I so proudly belonged to.
 
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estesbob:
I left the Democrat Party in 1981. Has anyone else noticed that on social issues , other than capital punishment, the Democrat party always comes down on the side of death?

ie-abortion,euthanasia, fetal stem cell research, etc. In fact oppostion to captial punishment is about the only issue I agree with in the party that once I so proudly belonged to.
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It seems - that for the Democrats - they only fight for life if you have committed a capital offense. If you are sick, infirmed or an unborn child - you got to go. But - kill a cop? Break out the candles for the vigil!
 
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Adonis33:
It seems - that for the Democrats - they only fight for life if you have committed a capital offense. If you are sick, infirmed or an unborn child - you got to go. But - kill a cop? Break out the candles for the vigil!
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I have always wondered why it is so difficult to understand this simple rule, “Protect the innocent, punish the guilty.”
 
vern humphrey:
I have always wondered why it is so difficult to understand this simple rule, “Protect the innocent, punish the guilty.”
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Vern, Vern, Vern! “Guilty” is such a perjorative term. Usually, these people had very bad childhoods that left them scarred (could mean anything from being locked in a kennel with the dog to accidentally seeing your great-grandmother naked). This is why these people act out the way they do. It’s society’s responsibility to help them, not punish them. It’s really a self-esteem issue. Punishing them…punishing …:sleep:
 
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Adonis33:
It seems - that for the Democrats - they only fight for life if you have committed a capital offense. If you are sick, infirmed or an unborn child - you got to go.
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We Democrats are against health care or hospitalization of the sick? Where’s your evidence?

We Democrats are against elder care and rehabilitation for the infirm? Where’s your evidence?

We Democrats are for the abortion of all unborn children, even those who are wanted? Where’s your evidence?

It’s people like you that make it very difficult for pro-life Catholic Democrats like me and my wife to make common cause with conservatives on life issues. We don’t need to be vilified. Are you a Catholic by any chance? If so, where’s your sense of charity to other Catholics?
 
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Richardols:
We Democrats are against health care or hospitalization of the sick? Where’s your evidence?
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The Democrats oppose:
  1. Allowing small businesses to band together to get better health insurance deals for their employees.
  2. Allowing people to shop for health insurance across state lines.
  3. Allowing people to establish Medical Savings Accounts.
  4. Tort reform, to eliminate the $28 billion in junk lawsuits added to our medical costs each year.
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Richardols:
We Democrats are against elder care and rehabilitation for the infirm? Where’s your evidence?
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See above – the same things that would be good for the rest of us are especially good for the elderly.
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Richardols:
We Democrats are for the abortion of all unborn children, even those who are wanted? Where’s your evidence?
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Democrats are for abortion – to pretend that somehow not being “for the abortion of all unborn children, even those who are wanted” while supporting abortion on demand is pro-life is simply dishonest.

The proof is in the 2004 Democratic Party Platform.
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Richardols:
It’s people like you that make it very difficult for pro-life Catholic Democrats like me and my wife to make common cause with conservatives on life issues. We don’t need to be vilified. Are you a Catholic by any chance? If so, where’s your sense of charity to other Catholics?
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No one is villifying you, Richard. We are simply pointing out what the national leadership of the Democratic Party stands for.
 
vern humphrey:
No one is villifying you, Richard. We are simply pointing out what the national leadership of the Democratic Party stands for.
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You are wrong. Nowhere was the term “national leadership” used. The blanket term “Democrats” was used, without exception. And that therefore includes Howard Dean and the Party leadership as well as me, my wife, and the membership of Democrats for Life.

BTW, even in your response, you used the blanket term, “Democrats.”
 
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Richardols:
You are wrong. Nowhere was the term “national leadership” used. The blanket term “Democrats” was used, without exception. And that therefore includes Howard Dean and the Party leadership as well as me, my wife, and the membership of Democrats for Life.
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The Democrat party is what it is – and it is what its national leadership says it is. They say it supports abortion on demand.
 
One of the wisest political statements I’ve heard is:

“If you aren’t a liberal by the time you are 20, you have no heart. If you aren’t a conservative by the time you are 30, you have no brain.”
 
vern humphrey:
The Democrat party is what it is – and it is what its national leadership says it is. They say it supports abortion on demand.
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And all Republicans follow their national party leadership like lemmings on all issues?

Not all Democrats follow their national party leadership on all issues either.

The Democratic Party is more than its leadership and Democrats are more than the people on top.
 
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marvin:
Terri Schiavo.
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Want to know something? The judge in that case was a weekly church-going Baptist, and a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN! And see what the #%$& “Catholic” REPUBLICAN governor of Florida did for Mrs. Schiavo - nothing!!!
 
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ChristFollower:
One of the wisest political statements I’ve heard is:

“If you aren’t a liberal by the time you are 20, you have no heart. If you aren’t a conservative by the time you are 30, you have no brain.”
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Thanks for the charitable assessment. “Christ Follower”? Indeed?
 
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Richardols:
And all Republicans follow their national party leadership like lemmings on all issues?
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If I could not support the Party Platform, I would leave the party.
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Richardols:
Not all Democrats follow their national party leadership on all issues either.
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Now that’s a lemming approach! You support a party that is opposed to what you stand for because . . . well, you’ll have to help me out here. I can’t figure out why anyone would do that.
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Richardols:
The Democratic Party is more than its leadership and Democrats are more than the people on top.
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No, Richard, it isn’t. The Party has its goals, and the membership must willy-nilly support both the leadership who established those goals and the leaders themselves.

If you cannot support the published platform of your party, what IS it that you do support?
 
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Richardols:
Want to know something? The judge in that case was a weekly church-going Baptist, and a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN! And see what the #%$& “Catholic” REPUBLICAN governor of Florida did for Mrs. Schiavo - nothing!!!
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  1. Howard Dean, your party chairman, has stated that he wants to make the Schiavo case an issue in upcoming elections.
  2. Jeb Bush did as much as he could legally do for Ms. Schiavo.
    I don’t think Gov. Bush is a ’ #%$& “Catholic” ’ whatever that means.
  3. If you’re going to use profanity, go ahead and spell it out.
 
vern humphrey:
If I could not support the Party Platform, I would leave the party.
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You believe that one must accept everything or nothing, eh? Not I. But, suit yourself politically.
Now that’s a lemming approach! You support a party that is opposed to what you stand for because . . . well, you’ll have to help me out here. I can’t figure out why anyone would do that.
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You are presuming that the only plank on the platform is abortion. If it were, I’d agree with you. But, it isn’t.
The Party has its goals, and the membership must willy-nilly support both the leadership who established those goals and the leaders themselves.
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No, they need not. It is not a matter of accept every last thing or accept nothing. Believe it or not, there are Republicans who don’t accept every last plank in their platform. Should they leave the GOP?
 
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Richardols:
You believe that one must accept everything or nothing, eh? Not I. But, suit yourself politically.
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“Everything or nothing” is your idea. (In logic, this is called "The Falacy of Limited Alternatives.)

I simply say, if I could not support the party platform, I would leave the party.

Remember, when you support the party, you support the platform.
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Richardols:
You are presuming that the only plank on the platform is abortion. If it were, I’d agree with you. But, it isn’t.
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Which planks are so important that you are willing to accept abortion on demand to get them?
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Richardols:
No, they need not. It is not a matter of accept every last thing or accept nothing. Believe it or not, there are Republicans who don’t accept every last plank in their platform. Should they leave the GOP?
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You support the party, you support the platform. Your money goes to people who DO support abortion on demand. Your votes help put pro-abortion men and women into powerful positions – such as chairmanship positions in Congress.
 
vern humphrey said:
“Everything or nothing” is your idea. (In logic, this is called "The Falacy of Limited Alternatives.)

I simply say, if I could not support the party platform, I would leave the party.
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And you say that** I** am the one saying everything or nothing?
You support the party, you support the platform.
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The Platform has 24 planks from Abortion to Welfare and Poverty. I support 23 of them.
 
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