Leaving the Democrats

[vern_humphrey]

miguel:

First things first. I get it.

Right.

And remember, we’re playing catch up – the Catholic bishops should have been down on abortion like ugly on ape some 30+ years ago. They COULD have strangled the serpent as it was being hatched.

Now we must come from behind to make up for their failures.

 

[estesbob]

vern humphrey:

Right.

And remember, we’re playing catch up – the Catholic bishops should have been down on abortion like ugly on ape some 30+ years ago. They COULD have strangled the serpent as it was being hatched.

Now we must come from behind to make up for their failures.

Agreed-the time to make it clear that one could not be pro-abortion and remain a Catholic was the day after Roe V Wade was forced on the country-not 35 years later in the heat of a Presidential campaign. Of course the Biships didnt do this becuae most of them were Democrats and , to be blunt, the death of 50 million plus unborn children was secondary to keeping the likes of Kennedy, Cumo et al in power. They hid behind the absurd propostion that the democrat’s alleged superior support of social justice trumped their support of killing the unborn.

The Truth is that the American Catholic Bishops have done great harm to the Church in the last 35 years. The good news is slowly but surely we are seeing Bishops willing to turn their back on the party of death regardless of what that party’s supposed stand on social justice is. There can be no social justice for a human killed in the womb. We need more Chaput’s and less McCarick’s

 

[vern_humphrey]

estesbob:

Agreed-the time to make it clear that one could not be pro-abortion and remain a Catholic was the day after Roe V Wade was forced on the country-not 35 years later in the heat of a Presidential campaign. Of course the Biships didnt do this becuae most of them were Democrats and , to be blunt, the death of 50 million plus unborn children was secondary to keeping the likes of Kennedy, Cumo et al in power. They hid behind the absurd propostion that the democrat’s alleged superior support of social justice trumped their support of killing the unborn.

The Truth is that the American Catholic Bishops have done great harm to the Church in the last 35 years. The good news is slowly but surely we are seeing Bishops willing to turn their back on the party of death regardless of what that party’s supposed stand on social justice is. There can be no social justice for a human killed in the womb. We need more Chaput’s and less McCarick’s

If the Catholic Bishops had stood up on their hind legs the day after Roe v Wade, the Democratic Party would have never become the party of abortion – they would have seen the danger of losing the Catholic vote.

I have some hope now, but I am afraid that the Bishops are moving too slowly to catch up.

 

[estesbob]

vern humphrey:

If the Catholic Bishops had stood up on their hind legs the day after Roe v Wade, the Democratic Party would have never become the party of abortion – they would have seen the danger of losing the Catholic vote.

I have some hope now, but I am afraid that the Bishops are moving too slowly to catch up.

Agreed-and if Catholic voters had made it clear at the tme they would not vote for pro-abortion candidates the demcorat party would never have become the party of death.

 

[vern_humphrey]

estesbob:

Agreed-and if Catholic voters had made it clear at the tme they would not vote for pro-abortion candidates the demcorat party would never have become the party of death.

When the sheep stray, look to the shepards.

The Bishops are supposed to be our leaders.

Now, American Catholics are mostly descended from discriminated-against immigrants who found a home in the Democratic Party (odd, in that the Democratic Party was also the home of Segregation and the KKK.) Nevertheless, many of us came to identify with the Democratic Party, and many still do.

Had the Catholic Bishops challenged Roe V Wade from the start, and made it plain that no politician who supports abortion can recieve communion, and no Catholic can vote for such a politician, the Democratic Party would have been saved from becoming the party of abortion.

 

[Ruthmary]

vern humphrey:

When the sheep stray, look to the shepards.

The Bishops are supposed to be our leaders.

Now, American Catholics are mostly descended from discriminated-against immigrants who found a home in the Democratic Party (odd, in that the Democratic Party was also the home of Segregation and the KKK.) Nevertheless, many of us came to identify with the Democratic Party, and many still do.

Had the Catholic Bishops challenged Roe V Wade from the start, and made it plain that no politician who supports abortion can recieve communion, and no Catholic can vote for such a politician, the Democratic Party would have been saved from becoming the party of abortion.

Sad, but true. Remember what happened when Bishop Bruskewitz in 1996 simply reinterated Catholic teaching to his flock? They thought he was too harsh. And they’re still divided.

But then the Bishops come up through the ranks. I’ve heard it said that we get the priests (and Bishops) we deserve. If we all prayed more we would get better leaders.

I don’t know much about the history of why Catholics became Democrats. I’ve read some, and it’s all so complicated. It’s difficult to leave a group you’ve been part of for generations, so perhaps we Catholics shouldn’t be part of any party, but just vote for whoever best represents the Catholic view. But then again, there is the question, what is the Catholic view when Catholics no longer believe they need to be obedient to the pope. …

… there is some consolation in seeing how much difficulty the Church has had from the beginning. So much division, and the Church is still standing. Jesus did say He was going to leave the weeds to grow with the wheat. There have always been great saints, and our day is no exception. Mother Teresa, Pope John Paul II, Mother Angelica, Father Groeschel, etc., etc., etc., and many smaller ones I’m getting to know about daily.

 

[Brad]

Ruthmary:

I don’t know much about the history of why Catholics became Democrats. I’ve read some, and it’s all so complicated. It’s difficult to leave a group you’ve been part of for generations, so perhaps we Catholics shouldn’t be part of any party, but just vote for whoever best represents the Catholic view. But then again, there is the question, what is the Catholic view when Catholics no longer believe they need to be obedient to the pope. …

Noone should tie themselves to one political party. This is a very narrow-sighted way to go about life. Every election, every candidate is to be evaluated against the opposing candidate and you pick that one that promotes and supports the moral truths the best.

The Democrats have fallen so far that now our options are pretty lousy. Republicans can get away with mediocrity because the Democrat leadership is so utterly morally weak that they will allow the “freedom” to kill babies their #1 issue, preying on the weakness and fears of their voters.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Ruthmary:

Sad, but true. Remember what happened when Bishop Bruskewitz in 1996 simply reinterated Catholic teaching to his flock? They thought he was too harsh. And they’re still divided.

But then the Bishops come up through the ranks. I’ve heard it said that we get the priests (and Bishops) we deserve. If we all prayed more we would get better leaders.

Yes – but our leaders DO weild enormous influence (that’s why we call them leaders.) And OUR leaders have not used that influence properly.

Here in the Diocese of Little Rock, a spokesman for the Diocese discussing the issue of giving communion to pro-abortion politicians said, “We don’t want to put them under pressure.”

Excuse me?!?! In every Catholic church where I’ve ever attended mass there are those who cannot take communion. Does the Diocese say, “We can’t put divorced and remarried people under pressure?”

Are there two Catholic Churches, one for “ordinary people” and one for the rich and powerful?

Ruthmary:

I don’t know much about the history of why Catholics became Democrats. I’ve read some, and it’s all so complicated. It’s difficult to leave a group you’ve been part of for generations, so perhaps we Catholics shouldn’t be part of any party, but just vote for whoever best represents the Catholic view. But then again, there is the question, what is the Catholic view when Catholics no longer believe they need to be obedient to the pope. …

You have spoken wisdom there – many Catholics are not willing to accept the teachings of the Church.

Ruthmary:

… there is some consolation in seeing how much difficulty the Church has had from the beginning. So much division, and the Church is still standing. Jesus did say He was going to leave the weeds to grow with the wheat. There have always been great saints, and our day is no exception. Mother Teresa, Pope John Paul II, Mother Angelica, Father Groeschel, etc., etc., etc., and many smaller ones I’m getting to know about daily.

“In the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.”
– Tertullian.

And the time for martyrdom is coming – it may not be to the death, but if we stand up for Catholic morality, we will be heavily penalized.

 

[Richardols]

vern humphrey:

Here in the Diocese of Little Rock, a spokesman for the Diocese discussing the issue of giving communion to pro-abortion politicians said, “We don’t want to put them under pressure.”

What Catholic pro-choice politicians are there in the diocese? I don’t see where the occasion would present itself.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Richardols:

What Catholic pro-choice politicians are there in the diocese? I don’t see where the occasion would present itself.

It did. You may recall that '04 was a Presidential election. The spokesman’s remarks were quoted in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.

 

[Richardols]

vern humphrey:

It did. You may recall that '04 was a Presidential election. The spokesman’s remarks were quoted in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.

But, who could it have applied to?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Richardols:

But, who could it have applied to?

Gee, I dunno, Richard. I seem to recall that one of the presidential candidates claimed to both pro-choice and Catholic.

 

[Richardols]

vern humphrey:

Gee, I dunno, Richard. I seem to recall that one of the presidential candidates claimed to both pro-choice and Catholic.

I don’t think that Sen. Kerry went to Mass here in Arkansas (Did he even visit the state?) That’s why I was wondering whom it could have referred to. So, I dunno, either.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Richardols:

I don’t think that Sen. Kerry went to Mass here in Arkansas (Did he even visit the state?) That’s why I was wondering whom it could have referred to. So, I dunno, either.

May I suggest that it is not impermissible for the Diocese to take a moral stance, even if the barbarians are not actually hammering on OUR gates?

 

[Ruthmary]

vern humphrey:

“In the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.”
– Tertullian.

And the time for martyrdom is coming – it may not be to the death, but if we stand up for Catholic morality, we will be heavily penalized.

The sad thing is that we are going to have Catholics v. Catholics. I was at a Mass in another diocese last year where during his sermon, the priest said he wouldn’t refuse Communion to anyone. That the Eucharist is not supposed to be a reward. I had the impression that he didn’t consider mortal sin to be an impediment. I never had the opportunity to question him.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Ruthmary:

The sad thing is that we are going to have Catholics v. Catholics. I was at a Mass in another diocese last year where during his sermon, the priest said he wouldn’t refuse Communion to anyone. That the Eucharist is not supposed to be a reward. I had the impression that he didn’t consider mortal sin to be an impediment. I never had the opportunity to question him.

I’d ask him a few questions:

1. Would you give communion to a person who was married in the Church, divorced, and is remarried – and has done nothing to seek an annulment?
2. Would you give communion to a Baptist or Jehovah’s Witness?
3. Would you give communion to an unbaptized person?
4. Would you give communion to an abortionist?