Legalized prostitution

[utunumsint]

This is a good chance to understand the interplay of Natural Moral Law. Some children are sold, some will continue to be sold, however these sales oppose Natural Moral Law so the general public will never, ever accept this. (see a change of law does not change legitimacy) Siliarly you can now see if child prostitution is made legal demand will not increase!

Are you arguing that we should legalize child prostitution now?

FYI though the above post concerning supply and demand is common sense correct, the real way to say it is lower price allows more existing demand to be fulfilled (again it is not new demand).

If more existing demain is being fulfilled, then how is this not an increase? Lets say that out of 100 men who would frequent prostitutes, 80 of them would not do so because of fear of prosecution. When you remove that fear, there would be no deterent for those 80 men, so we now have 80 more men seeking legitimate prostitutes. This would create an increased demand for prostitutes, and pimps would actively recruit new prostitutes. What you have is a boom in an industry.

But the posters point that more suppliers (prostitute) would be expected to enter is correct. And the same principles are true which is once legal issues are dropped, woman who considered prostitution but found the leagl cost too high now find the cost (of supply) lower

Hope that helps

I think you are agreeing with me…but I’m note sure…

God bless,
Ut

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Are you arguing that we should legalize child prostitution now?

:crying: Natural Moral Law rules the people will not stand for it. They are the same men and women who will have relations with each other even if you make those relations illegal

If more existing demain is being fulfilled, then how is this not an increase?

an increase in volume sold not demand, the market has moved down the existing demand line

Lets say that out of 100 men who would frequent prostitutes, 80 of them would not do so because of fear of prosecution. When you remove that fear, there would be no deterent for those 80 men, so we now have 80 more men seeking legitimate prostitutes. This would create an increased demand for prostitutes, and pimps would actively recruit new prostitutes. What you have is a boom in an industry.

closer, your doing better. Can 20 men create an industry as we see arrests constantly in every major city? Lets say once legalized (in addition to the 20% already participating) another 40% are willing to participate once it is legal. That leaves the last 40% either not desiring, or fearing other issues like std’s. Now do the girls supply? See the men always had the desire, so do the girls have the desire? If they do they are probably providing substitute services now. If they chose not to provide the price continues to control the supply (not the demand)

I think you are agreeing with me…but I’m note sure…
God bless,
Ut

In general context yes. For example the girls today called “gold diggers” may well be a prostitute in the other system. So is that really a difference?

 

[AveSantaMaria]

Women who go into prostitution are hurting and need our prayers not our “ignoring their pain and legalizing their abuse.” In Netherlands, I read statistics (don’t know if they are true) that 65% -75% of the female prostitutes and young heroin prostitutes are incest survivors. Incest is legal in the Netherlands as long as the child is over 18. Is this really anything that we should be legalizing instead of working ferociously to end?

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Women who go into prostitution are hurting and need our prayers not our “ignoring their pain and legalizing their abuse.” In Netherlands, I read statistics (don’t know if they are true) that 65% -75% of the female prostitutes and young heroin prostitutes are incest survivors. Incest is legal in the Netherlands as long as the child is over 18. Is this really anything that we should be legalizing instead of working ferociously to end?

I do not think any of us want more prostitution, what is at question is does keeping prostitution illegal create and opportunity to exploit these same women? If legal these girls are less valuable as exploits, while prostitution is illegal these girls are worth 3-4 times more than a working man. Does this increased value contribute to the problem?

 

[AveSantaMaria]

I do not think any of us want more prostitution, what is at question is does keeping prostitution illegal create and opportunity to exploit these same women? If legal these girls are less valuable as exploits, while prostitution is illegal these girls are worth 3-4 times more than a working man. Does this increased value contribute to the problem?

That doesn’t make sense. Prostitution is legal in the Netherlands. I think that what contributes to the problem is turning a blind eye to it and accepting it societally instead of reaching out to end it.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

That doesn’t make sense. Prostitution is legal in the Netherlands.

where the girls can walk away, as noted earlier most of the girls are foreigners who move in to raise their standard of living. Their daughters will typically work elsewhere.

I think that what contributes to the problem is turning a blind eye to it and accepting it societal instead of reaching out to end it.

That is us in the USA we turn the blind eye which makes our daughters easier exploited because the risk is so high the money is thus very high. These girls are trapped they cannot go to the police, or courts as their agreements are illegal their profession is illegal, so our girls are trapped.

 

[AveSantaMaria]

I think this is fake concern. I think legalizing prostitution makes it easier to oppress people. What are they going to go to the police to complain about? Being oppressed? They are oppressed by the definition of being in the profession. What needs to happen more and more is public disapproval extended not only to the prostitutes but to their clients, a crackdown on these sorts of activities through undercover investigations. This happened with the NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) and many of their operations where shut down.

And what is this? First, many of those girls are “incest survivors.” I seriously doubt that those incest survivors are foreigners. How would they know if someone was conceived through foreign incest? That’s probably Netherlands incest. Second, foreign or not, they are not to be exploited and oppressed. That hardly makes the situation even better. It is just all the more sickening. One doesn’t stop at exploiting one’s own people, one goes to developing countries and exploits them as well. This sort of thing makes me want to vomit.

 

[utunumsint]

:crying: Natural Moral Law rules the people will not stand for it. They are the same men and women who will have relations with each other even if you make those relations illegal an increase in volume sold not demand, the market has moved down the existing demand line closer, your doing better.

I think your economic theory suffers from an extreme lack of anthropological insight.

Can 20 men create an industry as we see arrests constantly in every major city? Lets say once legalized (in addition to the 20% already participating) another 40% are willing to participate once it is legal. That leaves the last 40% either not desiring, or fearing other issues like std’s. Now do the girls supply? See the men always had the desire, so do the girls have the desire? If they do they are probably providing substitute services now. If they chose not to provide the price continues to control the supply (not the demand)

You speak of human beings as though sexual desires and motivations are as constant as gravity, or the laws of physics. In a sense your anthropological assumptions are a rejection of free will.

In general context yes. For example the girls today called “gold diggers” may well be a prostitute in the other system. So is that really a difference?

Not much at all. Both are equally reprehensible. In one case the man is using the woman, and in the other case the woman is using the man.

But the arangment with the gold digger is only implicit, whereas the arrangement between the man and the prostitute is explicite.

God bless,
Ut

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I think your economic theory suffers from an extreme lack of anthropological insight.

??? economics is an anthropological science

???

You speak of human beings as though sexual desires and motivations are as constant as gravity, or the laws of physics. In a sense your anthropological assumptions are a rejection of free will.

?? am I to believe people stopped having relations? would that not be extinction?

Not much at all. Both are equally reprehensible. In one case the man is using the woman, and in the other case the woman is using the man.

But the arangment with the gold digger is only implicit, whereas the arrangement between the man and the prostitute is explicite.

Wait a minute in one case two people mutually consented so who was used? In the other case one mislead(1) the other using (2) immoral practices, so are they really equal?

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I think this is fake concern.

sorry which concern is that

I think legalizing prostitution makes it easier to oppress people.

I disagree

What are they going to go to the police to complain about? Being oppressed?

as beatings, drug abuse, missing money, lies, etc

They are oppressed by the definition of being in the profession. What needs to happen more and more is public disapproval extended not only to the prostitutes but to their clients, a crackdown on these sorts of activities through undercover investigations. This happened with the NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) and many of their operations where shut down.

so do you think the US has it correct with all the prostitution we have?

And what is this? First, many of those girls are “incest survivors.” I seriously doubt that those incest survivors are foreigners. How would they know if someone was conceived through foreign incest? That’s probably Netherlands incest. Second, foreign or not, they are not to be exploited and oppressed. That hardly makes the situation even better. It is just all the more sickening. One doesn’t stop at exploiting one’s own people, one goes to developing countries and exploits them as well. This sort of thing makes me want to vomit.

Again I think the girls are more oppressed when prostitution is illegal. If you disagree with the earlier posts that is fine, however to believe families incest their daughters in order to produce prostitutes seems illogical

 

[AveSantaMaria]

sorry which concern is that I disagree as beatings, drug abuse, missing money, lies, etc so do you think the US has it correct with all the prostitution we have? Again I think the girls are more oppressed when prostitution is illegal. If you disagree with the earlier posts that is fine, however to believe families incest their daughters in order to produce prostitutes seems illogical

No, the US could do MORE to stop prostitution. Legalizing prostitution in no way helps stop prostitution. It’s not a miracle cure, its more like spreading and ingraining the cancer in society even more.

Girls are oppressed by prostituting their bodies. Legalizing prostitution enables them to more easily prostitute their bodies, oppressing them more. It gives societal legitimacy to their extreme exploitation and calls down God’s hand to punish us for our hardened hearts and evil desires.

 

[Squishy]

I can name a few reasons: self preservation, the fear of going to jail. Then there is also the problem of having quality merchandise (i.e. women in this case). How long do you think the average prostitute can work before her resale value decline? Recruiting would also be harder.

Pimps who have complete control over their women. Can in fact do what ever they like with them. I do believe that they would keep them in the highest earning bracket as long as they could.

So laws provide absolutely no deterent to prostitution? I do not believe this is true, and I would like to see some evidence to the contrary (you still have not provided it).

I do not have statistics to hand, i will try to find some. Laws are a deterent for sure. But how much of one is debateable. Its usually the lower class of client that would frequent the prostitutes while its illegal. Putting them in more danger. But if someone wishes to visit a prostitute their is little the law can do to stop them.

Please check out this document which provides quotes from the New Zealand Prostitution Law Review Committee and its finding from 2006 (prostitutionresearch.com/Report%20on%20NZ%2010-29-2008.pdf). I’ll quote some parts to underline what has happened since legalization.

justice.govt.nz/prostitution-law-review-committee/publications/plrc-report/index.html

14 Conclusion and Future Review

The PRA has been in force for five years. During that time, the sex industry has not increased in size, and many of the social evils predicted by some who opposed the decriminalisation of the sex industry have not been experienced. On the whole, the PRA has been effective in achieving its purpose, and the Committee is confident that the vast majority of people involved in the sex industry are better off under the PRA than they were previously.

However, progress in some areas has been slower that may have been hoped. Many sex workers are still vulnerable to exploitative employment conditions, and there are still reports of sex workers being forced to take clients against their will. Nevertheless, it is encouraging to note that most sex workers contacted during the research for this report were aware of their right to say ‘no’, and that some brothel operators’ behaviour in this respect has improved since the enactment of the PRA.

It is a truism that traditions and attitudes developed over many years cannot be changed overnight. The Committee acknowledges that there remains disapproval and dislike directed by some people at people who work in the sex industry and mistrust and suspicion directed at the authorities by some people in the sex industry. In this atmosphere, the Committee believes that a period of relationship building will be necessary before the rights and responsibilities of those in the sex industry will be fully realised. People working in the sex industry, and those working in organisations that deal with the sex industry, need to make positive efforts to work together. The recommendations in this report reflect this view.

The Committee does not consider further review of the operation of the PRA is necessary at this stage. However, because the current review has been undertaken a relatively short period after decriminalisation, and because some of the anticipated changes in the industry have been slow to eventuate, the Committee is of the view that an assessment of the impact of the PRA should be carried out at a later date. By 2018, fifteen years after its enactment, the longer-term impact of the PRA will be much clearer. Such a review should include an assessment of whether the PRA is achieving its purpose, if any unintended consequences have arisen (either positive or negative), and if the PRA requires amendment.

The research done for the Committee’s review and this report may act as baseline data for any future review. The Committee’s recommendations regarding ongoing monitoring of the numbers of sex workers in New Zealand (see chapter two) will also facilitate any further assessment of the impact of the PRA.

Also have a look at justice.govt.nz/prostitution-law-review-committee/publications/plrc-report/chapter-2.html#27 - For estimates of sex workers since the bill was passed

 

[utunumsint]

Pimps who have complete control over their women. Can in fact do what ever they like with them. I do believe that they would keep them in the highest earning bracket as long as they could.

I do not have statistics to hand, i will try to find some. Laws are a deterent for sure. But how much of one is debateable. Its usually the lower class of client that would frequent the prostitutes while its illegal. Putting them in more danger. But if someone wishes to visit a prostitute their is little the law can do to stop them.

justice.govt.nz/prostitution-law-review-committee/publications/plrc-report/index.html

Also have a look at justice.govt.nz/prostitution-law-review-committee/publications/plrc-report/chapter-2.html#27 - For estimates of sex workers since the bill was passed

It has become quite clear that Amsterdam has failed to help women. It also became clear to Switzerland that their prostitution legalization experiment failed after 10 year, and so they re-crimilized it. My questions to both you Squishy, and to Texas is this:

1. 
   *]At what point are you going to say the experiment has failed? There always seems to be an excuss as to why various experiments failed. At what point do you stop accepting the excusses provided by the powers that be in favour of legalized prostitution?
   *]Have you ever actually met a prostitute (I’m not asking if you have solicited one , but have you ever actually talked to a woman about what it was like to sell her body? There are people who have posted on this forum who have, and they are very much opposed to legalization.
   *]Do you realize that almost all women who are prostitutes would get out of the business if they felt there was any other option available? Why don’t we focus our efforts in providing them with what they need to get out? Housing, Detox centers, counceling, etc…
   
   I am sure that both you and Texas are truly interested in helping these poor women. But I am totally convinced that legalization is not the best approach. Perhaps legalization of woman who are in the prostitution industry would help, in that it would give them the confidence to go to the authorities when they have had enough, but to give the pimps and the johns cart blanch to do the things they do makes no sense to me at all.
   
   God bless,
   Ut

 

[Squishy]

It has become quite clear that Amsterdam has failed to help women. It also became clear to Switzerland that their prostitution legalization experiment failed after 10 year, and so they re-crimilized it. My questions to both you Squishy, and to Texas is this:

• At what point are you going to say the experiment has failed? There always seems to be an excuss as to why various experiments failed. At what point do you stop accepting the excusses provided by the powers that be in favour of legalized prostitution?
  Well after decades of criminalisation, i am ready for them to try a different approch and to see if that helps the problem. I am aware their is a chance that legalising it wont work. But i think that a carefully structured legalisation and regulation learning from other countries mistakes and successes is worth a try.
• Have you ever actually met a prostitute (I’m not asking if you have solicited one , but have you ever actually talked to a woman about what it was like to sell her body? There are people who have posted on this forum who have, and they are very much opposed to legalization.
  Yes, I have met several women who sell their body. However I will admit this was when I was in New Zealand. All of them where extremly happy with the legalisation that had gone on in the country. Basiccaly my views are probebly coloured by these women who i met.
• Do you realize that almost all women who are prostitutes would get out of the business if they felt there was any other option available? Why don’t we focus our efforts in providing them with what they need to get out? Housing, Detox centers, counceling, etc…
  A lot of women would. I have no doubt. But almost all i think is a falicy. Prostatution is a terrible thing, for those involved however many see it as easy money.

I am sure that both you and Texas are truly interested in helping these poor women. But I am totally convinced that legalization is not the best approach. Perhaps legalization of woman who are in the prostitution industry would help, in that it would give them the confidence to go to the authorities when they have had enough, but to give the pimps and the johns cart blanch to do the things they do makes no sense to me at all.

God bless,
Ut

Im totaly convinced that illegal prostatution is certainly not good for those involved, by that i mean the girls. Something has to be done to offer them greater protection. At the moment from my slightly coloured view i think a heavly regulated legal system would provide that help. Learn from other countrys mistakes. Do not just assume that if it was a failure once or twice that the system cannot work.

 

[utunumsint]

Im totaly convinced that illegal prostatution is certainly not good for those involved, by that i mean the girls. Something has to be done to offer them greater protection. At the moment from my slightly coloured view i think a heavly regulated legal system would provide that help. Learn from other countrys mistakes. Do not just assume that if it was a failure once or twice that the system cannot work.

Understood. Its good to know that you are not just an armchair warrior like myself. But in my opinion, the greatest protection we can offer these girls is to get them out of the industry all together. No matter how much protection and regulation you throw at this industry, it still destroys the women involves. Even if legalization and regulation were to provide some measure of improvement, I can’t see how you can protect them from STDs, or violence, or post traumatic stress syndrom, or from agravating their own psychological issues by participating in this industry. Let me put it this way, if we took all the money, and all the resources that it would take to fund the infrastructure for a legalized prostitution organization like New Zealand’s and put it into helping the girls find other ways to support themselves, wouldn’t this make the world a better place?

Then there is the fact that by supporting and regulating legalized prostitution, the government becomes complicite in that institution, and myself through my taxes. I understand that these women go into the industry feeling like they have no other options, but to legalize johns and pimps because they claim they have no other way of controlling themselves, is a kind of blackmail. “If you don’t legalize my pimping behaviour and john behavious, I will do it anyways, and even more brutally…”.

God bless,
Ut

 

[Squishy]

Understood. Its good to know that you are not just an armchair warrior like myself. But in my opinion, the greatest protection we can offer these girls is to get them out of the industry all together. No matter how much protection and regulation you throw at this industry, it still destroys the women involves. Even if legalization and regulation were to provide some measure of improvement, I can’t see how you can protect them from STDs, or violence, or post traumatic stress syndrom, or from agravating their own psychological issues by participating in this industry. Let me put it this way, if we took all the money, and all the resources that it would take to fund the infrastructure for a legalized prostitution organization like New Zealand’s and put it into helping the girls find other ways to support themselves, wouldn’t this make the world a better place?

Then there is the fact that by supporting and regulating legalized prostitution, the government becomes complicite in that institution, and myself through my taxes. I understand that these women go into the industry feeling like they have no other options, but to legalize johns and pimps because they claim they have no other way of controlling themselves, is a kind of blackmail. “If you don’t legalize my pimping behaviour and john behavious, I will do it anyways, and even more brutally…”.

God bless,
Ut

We seem to have come to an understanding, as strange as that is on these forums most of the time. So i will bow out after this post.

At first setting up a legal monitored system would involve a lot of work and money. However once this is done. The system in effect would become self regulating (i dont mean over night) Women would just not stand for abuse. We used to see a lot of abuse in many different proffesions. But that has been eradicated on the whole now. People would not attend the sleazier dirty outfits and would instead go to more mainstream places, that they trust. On the whole i really do believe that market pressures would eventually clean up the buisness much better than the police ever could.

What ever we do, what is being done currently does not work. A new approch is needed.

 

[utunumsint]

We seem to have come to an understanding, as strange as that is on these forums most of the time. So i will bow out after this post.

At first setting up a legal monitored system would involve a lot of work and money. However once this is done. The system in effect would become self regulating (i dont mean over night) Women would just not stand for abuse. We used to see a lot of abuse in many different proffesions. But that has been eradicated on the whole now. People would not attend the sleazier dirty outfits and would instead go to more mainstream places, that they trust. On the whole i really do believe that market pressures would eventually clean up the buisness much better than the police ever could.

What ever we do, what is being done currently does not work. A new approch is needed.

I can respect your intentions, even though I don’t agree with the means.

Thanks for contributing.
God bless,
Ut

 

[AveSantaMaria]

We seem to have come to an understanding, as strange as that is on these forums most of the time. So i will bow out after this post.

At first setting up a legal monitored system would involve a lot of work and money. However once this is done. The system in effect would become self regulating (i dont mean over night) Women would just not stand for abuse. We used to see a lot of abuse in many different proffesions. But that has been eradicated on the whole now. People would not attend the sleazier dirty outfits and would instead go to more mainstream places, that they trust. On the whole i really do believe that market pressures would eventually clean up the buisness much better than the police ever could.

What ever we do, what is being done currently does not work. A new approch is needed.

Its not about “cleaning up the business.” That is an EVIL OXYMORON. This is a business that never ever never ever needs to exist. It cannot by definition be cleaned up. If there is ever a list of business that it is impossible by definition to clean up, those businesses include slavery, prostitution, and abortion. They must be eradicated and eliminated and never ever given societal legitimacy.

ALL of the outlets are sleazier dirty outfits. This sort of “caring” about people and so supporting prostitution reminds me of the Catholics who “cared” about the slaves and so supported slavery. They just made their slavery “kinder and gentler” than the slavery of others, as if that was enough. An example is St. Josephine Bakhita. The slavery that she experienced under Italian Catholics was kinder and gentler (teaching at a convent school and babysitting) than the harsh and huge branding that she experienced under others that left her mutilated and scarred for life. She wanted her freedom and her Italian Catholic masters did not want to give it to her. Rather they wanted to take her back with them until Sudan with their “kinder” slavery. She appealed Italian law, that said that slavery was illegal in Italy and so she was by definition free and left her chains forever and became a nun. Spe Salve: In Hope We are Saved vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20071130_spe-salvi_en.html

The same thing with prostitution. Some of those trapped prostitutes might get out, especially the foreigners who are being enslaved in sexual slavery today, and appeal to the law that says that prostitution is illegal and bring the criminals down. I have actually heard the personal testimony of someone who was kept in forced sexual slavery and later escaped. She actually memorized passages such as this in Scripture regarding her horrible situation.When evildoers come at me to devour my flesh, These my enemies and foes themselves stumble and fall.Psalm 27: 2

Who better to do an expose of prostitution than a former prostitute? If the law ought to be changed to help prostitutes, make soliciting and using prostitution illegal. That way the prostitutes won’t be harmed by the law, but every single person who uses them is commiting an illegal crime. I’m not sure that I support this though because I am not sure that I believe that every single prostitute is in prostitution because of oppression. The vast majority most probably are but original sin is omnipresent.

I fail 100% completely and totally to understand how this “business” can ever be cleaned up.

 

[utunumsint]

Its not about “cleaning up the business.” That is an EVIL OXYMORON. This is a business that never ever never ever needs to exist. It cannot by definition be cleaned up. If there is ever a list of business that it is impossible by definition to clean up, those businesses include slavery, prostitution, and abortion. They must be eradicated and eliminated and never ever given societal legitimacy.

ALL of the outlets are sleazier dirty outfits. This sort of “caring” about people and so supporting prostitution reminds me of the Catholics who “cared” about the slaves and so supported slavery. They just made their slavery “kinder and gentler” than the slavery of others, as if that was enough. An example is St. Josephine Bakhita. The slavery that she experienced under Italian Catholics was kinder and gentler (teaching at a convent school and babysitting) than the harsh and huge branding that she experienced under others that left her mutilated and scarred for life. She wanted her freedom and her Italian Catholic masters did not want to give it to her. Rather they wanted to take her back with them until Sudan with their “kinder” slavery. She appealed Italian law, that said that slavery was illegal in Italy and so she was by definition free and left her chains forever and became a nun. Spe Salve: In Hope We are Saved vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20071130_spe-salvi_en.html

The same thing with prostitution. Some of those trapped prostitutes might get out, especially the foreigners who are being enslaved in sexual slavery today, and appeal to the law that says that prostitution is illegal and bring the criminals down. I have actually heard the personal testimony of someone who was kept in forced sexual slavery and later escaped. She actually memorized passages such as this in Scripture regarding her horrible situation.When evildoers come at me to devour my flesh, These my enemies and foes themselves stumble and fall.Psalm 27: 2

Who better to do an expose of prostitution than a former prostitute? If the law ought to be changed to help prostitutes, make soliciting and using prostitution illegal. That way the prostitutes won’t be harmed by the law, but every single person who uses them is commiting an illegal crime. I’m not sure that I support this though because I am not sure that I believe that every single prostitute is in prostitution because of oppression. The vast majority most probably are but original sin is omnipresent.

I fail 100% completely and totally to understand how this “business” can ever be cleaned up.

I agree with you AveSantaMaria. I think this business is evil by nature, and cannot be cleaned up. Maybe sanitized externally, but the internal evil can never be removed, no matter how hard you sterilize the externals.

Concerning you’re last point:

I’m not sure that I support this though because I am not sure that I believe that every single prostitute is in prostitution because of oppression. The vast majority most probably are but original sin is omnipresent.

I also agree with this. These women are probably a minority, but they certainly do exist. They prey and profit on the weakness of men. This is not an easy thing to solve, or legislate away. But I think the general trend in our society is to accomodate evil in small increments in the name of “libration” or “compassion” which is really a further enslavement.

True compassion for those woman who resort to prostitution out of necessity, or enslavement, would be to get them out of their evil predicament, and provide them them means to live according to their human dignity. Squishy’s last point is indicative of a mentality that thinks we can create institutions that will solve all social evilts. All we need to do is foot the necessary funds to create the institution, then the institution will take care of itself. The woman will magically stop being oppressed and enslaved. But this is a false hope, and will in fact feed the industry. As the demand increases, the industry will be pushed to recruit, using lies and propaganda through the media to decive women into thinking this is a good career, as has been the case in Amsterdam, which has now seen the necessity to recruite abroad (legalized trafficking).

God bless,
Ut

 

[Bennie_P]

Tell your friends that if they look at what is really going on in Amstedam they will find that is not doing the citizens of that city very well and they will find many prostitutes are in reality slaves, not women nor men doing this business on their own free choice. When I say slaves, I mean slaves as they are forced into what the do and they have masters who control what they do.

Despite books like the Happy Hooker, for most in the business it is pure hell.

People should also think about the children which are forced into prostitution, there are many which think nothing of it, but a choice which none should condemn.

Though we cannot expect perfection in others’ choices we should not use that lack of expectation as an excuse to openly allow evil.

You might think about choosing new friends…