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Cracker_Mom
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I hope for the sake of all the good folks & priests in this order, things can get resolved.
I’ve had misgivings about the way they operate, but know some excellent priests & families who have been hurt by this scandal.
I’ve had misgivings about the way they operate, but know some excellent priests & families who have been hurt by this scandal.
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marymol
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’ All things work well for those love God and are called according to His will’ .
As much as The Church could use the ministry of exorcism at much larger levels, may be all that happened could turn out to be used for much good !
God Bless !
sensustraditionis.org/multimedia.html
’ All things work well for those love God and are called according to His will’ .
As much as The Church could use the ministry of exorcism at much larger levels, may be all that happened could turn out to be used for much good !
God Bless !
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KCT
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A visitation is not an investigation.
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JReducation
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Actually it is if you are a religious community. It is the appropriate word when the Holy See or the Generalate of a religious community comes to visit. There are two parts to every canonical visit to a religious community.
Part I: The Fraternal Visit
In this part of the visit, every member of the community meets individually with the visiting Ordinary. The topics of this part of the visit are always personal. The focus is in the spiritual life and needs of the individual religious. This meeting is strictly confiential. The only thing more confidential than this is confession. Here is where the religious can express not only his needs, but also his concerns, fears and any other reports that he has to provide to the visiting Ordinary.
Part II: The Canonical Visit
In this part of the same visit, the visiting Ordinary meets with the leadership of the religious community. First they meet with the superiors, one by one. Then they meet with the counselors, one by one. Finally, they meet with the entire council. These are closed sessions that the other religoius may not attend. During these meetings the Ordinary has the authority to review finances, letters, records, diaries, journals, records and any other documentation that he asks for. The religious involved must provide all of the informatin under holy obedience. Nothing can be held back. It is a grave sin against obedience to hide anything that the visiting Ordinary asks for.
At the end of these two parts, the visiting Ordinary must study the data and present conclusions and recommenations to the authority above.
In a diocese this is often called an Apostolic Visit (pope) or Episcopal Visit (bishop). In a religious community it is called the Visitation, whether the visitor is the Major Superior or a Papal delegate.
Every religious community of Pontifical Right must have such a visit at least once every six-years by the Superior General.
Hope this helps.
Fraternally,
JR
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theneoster
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(That smiley looks like “High on a hill was a lonely goatherd . . .”)
Note to poster: while we are all refreshed and challenged by your unique perspective . . . that eerily smacks of the philistine who curtly snaps to no one in particular, “I can control my drinking” or “I definitely locked my house this morning” in that it only creates more doubt than we all already harbored . . . that said, let’s hope and pray you’re right . . . in other words, as common sense dictates: “Prepare for the worst; hope for the best.” But do not, at this late hour, presume to require willful blindness on our part, h’m?
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theneoster
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No, I’m not some masochist (for all you know lol). I would just appreciate some feedback on this from anyone: do I intimidate, confuse or both? . . . I refuse to believe that I am just that spot-on!
Here’s why I ask: I hate it when I find myself all-too-often “ending” fora: I would rather engage people in conversation . . . any tips (complaints)?
I welcome them.
Really.
Here’s why I ask: I hate it when I find myself all-too-often “ending” fora: I would rather engage people in conversation . . . any tips (complaints)?
I welcome them.
Really.
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JReducation
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St_Francis
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Well, you’ve only posted 6 times on CAF, so it’s hard to say. You should post more and see what happens.
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theneoster
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Fine. No news is good news. I can be painfully self-conscious sometimes.
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Digitonomy
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Since you ask, I would say that a comparison of your and JReducation’s replies to KCT is instructive. His reply disagrees, and lays out the facts that he thinks prove his point and disprove KCT’s. I think he would have been fine to use even stronger language - “it’s simply ludicrous to think that …” It’s a discussion of the facts and the arguments, not the other poster. The other poster can then respond in kind, if he is so inclined - or not, since he’s stated his opinion, and may not feel there’s any more to say.
Yours, on the other hand, seems to scold KCT for his post by comparing him to a philistine and calling him presumptuous. I would suggest the use of more passive sentences, and more sentences starting with “I” which make it clear that you are expressing your personal opinion rather than presuming
to speak for the whole board, or all Catholics, or all right-thinking adults, which is how parts of your post could be interpreted.But as for why no one responded after your post of April 22, it may be your negative tone played a role, but I think it’s equally likely that it had simply been so long after other members were involved in the thread (2+ weeks) that they were no longer following it - particularly the member your post was directed at, who had not posted in almost 3 weeks.
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theneoster
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Well, Digitonomy, I must say: your dedication to these fora is most edifying, considering. I commend it, and with God’s help I shall return the favor.
Well, I’m feeling the love (must be today’s feast), so I’m willing to ignore that “lays out the facts” cacophony, though everybody (who subscribes to the New Oxford Review, I should add) knows what patent nonsense that is without batting an eye. That’s right, everybody gets one today only. (So post 'em fast!)
Be that as it may, knowing how spare little most Catholics know regarding the situation in question (a malady that could be corrected if more Catholics had the stomach to subscribe to the New Oxford Review and the like), it is plain to see how a body could honestly perceive KCT’s response as somehow innocuous and mine as somehow negative, heavy-handed or mean-spirited, and - no kidding - it warms my heart that you bring up these concerns so we can deal with them openly and honestly. Kudos to you, Digitonomy!
Word to the literati: philistine (small “p,” which was what I used) is a euphemism common to today’s British (akin to “bully” but more gwown-up) and I never implied nor would I imply that he was one but merely pointed out that generally those who assert falsehoods tritely and without intelligent comment do, in fact, verge on what one can well denote as “bullyish,” that’s all. You can disagree if you really want to. All I ask of people is that they not take the path of least resistance: that, freed from intimidation, they think for themselves. Outside of that, you can call the sky “red” for all I care, provided you’re sincerely open to argument. Does this clarify just a little my business in saying the things I said?Yours, on the other hand, seems to scold KCT for his post by comparing him to a philistine and calling him presumptuous. I would suggest the use of more passive sentences, and more sentences starting with “I” which make it clear that you are expressing your personal opinion rather than presuming
But, thanks for telling me how headstrong I sounded. I feel just awful. I’ll be sure to begin my next post with “I feel,” “I think,” and “I read the news, dear heart, so don’t you dare try spreading such blatant poppycock on my watch.” (Oops - can’t blame a guy for trying.)
But seriously, here’s what you do: read the New Oxford Review’s Hot Dossier on "Fr Maciel & His Legionaries" and get back to me. Also, keep listening to Catholic Radio . . . this thing’s getting more educational all the time!
Peace to all.
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theneoster
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To what I’ve said above I would add that, as grateful as I am to those who’ve posted challenging and interesting perspectives, I am infinitely more thankful to those people out there who, transcending the easy answers of mediocrity, listened to innocent, well-meaning and unsuspecting young men and women who, like me, were abused and damaged - even if only psychologically (as if that were a small thing) - by leaders of the aforementioned institution. You are near and dear to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary, for you are truly behaving as Catholic Christians, defending the weakest.
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