Lepanto and PRI catch CRS running contraceptive program

[zab]

Why the concern over the CRS comment that they assist people of all backgrounds and religions and do not engage in discussing the faith?

**Again, I had no concern per se that they said that. My concern, most of which was expressed in the said link, with which I agree, was SOLEY in regard to CRS (the international face of U. S. Catholicism and the Catholic Bishops of the United States) publicly expressing PRIDE that they don’t, and publicly stating that they don’t even like the “missionary” label, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME partnering with and compromising with and accepting funding from the culture of death groups. I know you can grasp the terrible irony (to put it charitably), and I wonder why you defend it. **

So it is the word PRIDE that you don’t like? - that they are happy, pleased, content, satisfied with the work that they do- assisting people of all backgrounds and religions and , like Mother Teresa, do not try to force their religion on anyone. I am defending CRS at this point because the process of trying to get at the truth of the matter has not been a pleasant experience often resulting in little snide attacks against me and others. Some things just don’t make sense, like finally coming out praising CRS for all the good work they do when all the while stirring up such disgust to get people to stop their donations. The attempts to convince me of the truth of all of the allegations against CRS has failed.

 

[KSU]

Why the concern over the CRS comment that they assist people of all backgrounds and religions and do not engage in discussing the faith?

My response in #116 was: ** Again, I had no concern per se that they said that. My concern, most of which was expressed in the said link, with which I agree, was SOLEY in regard to CRS (the international face of U. S. Catholicism and the Catholic Bishops of the United States) publicly expressing PRIDE that they don’t, and publicly stating that they don’t even like the “missionary” label, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME partnering with and compromising with and accepting funding from the culture of death groups. I know you can grasp the terrible irony (to put it charitably), and I wonder why you defend it.**

So it is the word PRIDE that you don’t like? - that they are happy, pleased, content, satisfied with the work that they do- assisting people of all backgrounds and religions and , like Mother Teresa, do not try to force their religion on anyone.** Don’t be disingenuous, zab, it gets us nowhere.** I am defending CRS at this point because the process of trying to get at the truth of the matter has not been a pleasant experience often resulting in little snide attacks against me and others.Sorry to hear that, zab, but although it’s irrelevant, it does shed light on why you have been attempting to defend the long and well-documented situation CRS has made for itself. And please don’t play the innocent lamb here; in your post #111 you made some blantantly false accusations, to which I did not respond in kind. I have let it slide and treated you with respect throughout. Ironically, in return, I get the following snide, inaccurate remark: Some things just don’t make sense, like finally coming out praising CRS for all the good work they do when all the while stirring up such disgust to get people to stop their donations. The attempts to convince me of the truth of all of the allegations against CRS has failed. If that’s true, it’s YOUR problem, and, unfortunately, the problem of the many saintly people at CRS

zab, to get back to the issue, I happen to know a lot about Archbishop Coakley, the CRS Chairman. He is an orthodox, faithful man of God. His recent fight against Satanism was especially praiseworthy and encouraging to traditional Catholics as well as the majority of Catholics who just go along to get along.

He undoubtedly understands CRS’s situation very well, better than you and I. It’s a safe bet that while prudence won’t permit him to speak with total candor, he is trying to correct the problems (which his intelligence won’t let him discount) without throwing the baby out with the bath water. He is between a rock and a hard place right now.

It’s our duty to pray for him, just as it is the right and duty of the Lepanto Institute, the Population Research Institute, and the numerous like-minded faithful Catholic organizations to fight for their cause. As far as I can tell, they seen to be doing so with due respect for Archbishop Coakley.

 

[olvick]

A very long discussion. Mr. Hichborn offers a persuasive viewpoint. Others have also offered a persuasive counter to his “findings”. I think both sides are sincere in their concerns, about our Catholic Faith, its dogmas, tenets and principles.

My problem with Hichborn’s assessments is what appears to be a widespread "conspiracy of corruption’ if you will, of the clergy assigned oversight of the various Catholic institutions.

Typically in associations of collusion and conspiracy there will be fragmentation. There will be those who are willing to expose conflict with fundamental beliefs and credos. I see no real examples of anyone inside, coming forward, and revealing a paradox.

There is also the element of personal or ideological gain in a subversive organization. What is to be gained by engaging in counter-Catholic ends, by the institutions referenced?

What Hichborn proffers is disturbing to say the least, but I would have to put my faith in the Pope, and the bishops, and those in position of resources and accountability. If the Church as an institution has strayed from its root teachings, and compromised the most important command of Jesus to “love one another” in its broadest context, “the gates of hell will not prevail against it”, and .“I will be with you until the end of time”, then the promises will have no meaning, and the Church itself would no longer have legitimacy. Peace be with all of you.