Lesbian couple wins $2,000 settlement

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jdnation:
Two women who accused a Catholic men’s group of discriminating against them for cancelling their wedding hall booking in 2003 have been partially vindicated by the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal.

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cbc.ca/bc/story/bc_lesbians-wedding20051129.html
I don’t think it’s right, that those lesbians won!! What they’re doing is EVIL!!
 
More ludicrosity (new word perhaps but I like it).

Whatever happened to private enterprise? So now, if you have a business, you must sell to ANYONE? Would they have to host a pyromaniac convention? How about Adulterers-are-us? Is a pet groomer now required to cut human hair? Do pediatricians have to take goats as patients? Can retail stores not ban shoplifters and convicted criminals?

"But the tribunal has told the fraternal group it should have assisted the women in finding another hall to mitigate the harm. "

What? So if you are a landlord and you do not want to rent to someone because they failed the credit check, you are now required to find them an alternate place to live? This is utterly preposterous.

When did it become that government can tell private enterprise what to do but private enterprise cannot tell the government what to do? Isn’t this backwards in a democracy?

So, if these lesbians wanted to have a topless marriage in a public park, would the government explode as a result of being put into an insolvable conundrum? We can’t have anything resembling Christianity in a public place but perversion is free speech.

Soon, we will need 25% of the population to be judges as they are going to have to analyze each and every movement of the other 75% of the population to cast judgement upon them.

Can anyone not see that the courts are out of control?
 
I don’t know…

I think I agree with the court in this particuliar situation.


The Knights od Columbus has okayed the booking and took money for it - then afterwards changed their minds.

I agree the KoC should have said no from the beginning so these people could have gone on to make other arrangements.

The court decision didn’t say the KoC were obligated to offer their services to gay couples or that they have to help those people find other arrangements.

The court did say that since they had already said yes and taken the money, they were obligated to either keep their original word or compensate the women for their trouble and money loss. I would think the same ruling would apply in any business situation where the business changes their mind to the customers inconvienence and/or monetary loss.
 
Rob’s Wife said:
I don’t know…

I think I agree with the court in this particuliar situation.


The Knights od Columbus has okayed the booking and took money for it - then afterwards changed their minds.

I agree the KoC should have said no from the beginning so these people could have gone on to make other arrangements.

The court decision didn’t say the KoC were obligated to offer their services to gay couples or that they have to help those people find other arrangements.

The court did say that since they had already said yes and taken the money, they were obligated to either keep their original word or compensate the women for their trouble and money loss. I would think the same ruling would apply in any business situation where the business changes their mind to the customers inconvienence and/or monetary loss.

They took a deposit. They did not take the full amount. Further, they did not know what exactly the event was going to be. It appears that it is possible they were mislead.

The argument that you make is not what the plaintiffs were arguing. They were arguing discrimination. This is further evidenced by their subsequent unhappiness with part of the decision.

Entering private institutions for the express intent to “de-homophobe” them is an increasing tactic in the militant homosexual community. I’m don’t know if that is the case here but it certainly could be.
 
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Brad:
They took a deposit. They did not take the full amount. Further, they did not know what exactly the event was going to be. It appears that it is possible they were mislead.

:hmmm: Taking a deposit may have been enough, especially if it was a high amount. Many places don’t take the full amount until after the event, but half can still be a good amount of money. I must say that if they didn’t know what the circumstances of the event were - then they were rather foolish in their portion of the agreement. Standard rules are to always know what you’re agreeing to when exchanging money.

The argument that you make is not what the plaintiffs were arguing. They were arguing discrimination. This is further evidenced by their subsequent unhappiness with part of the decision.

Yes they were, but the court didn’t agree with them either. It even said KoC cannot be forced to go against their beliefs. As for finding another location, I don’t think (and I’m aware my thinking may not be reflected in other courts) the courts meant that KoC was required to do so, rather since they were canceling on a duo (I can’t bring myself to say “couple”) that had already sent out invitations - it would have mitigated the damage if they’d helped them find other accomodations.

Entering private institutions for the express intent to “de-homophobe” them is an increasing tactic in the militant homosexual community. I’m don’t know if that is the case here but it certainly could be.

I agree, but as I don’t know in this case and they didn’t win that ground in this round - I’m willing to agree with the court.
But after they paid their deposit and sent out their wedding invitations, the hall’s managers realized that the two women were marrying each other and cancelled the booking.

Smith and Chymyshyn complained to the Human Rights Tribunal that it was discriminatory to offer a facility to the public and then say a particular group can’t use it.
The tribunal ruled the organization should pay the women $1,000 each for the embarrassment and hardship they suffered.
But the decision also says the Knights of Columbus cannot be forced to contradict its religious beliefs. But the tribunal has told the fraternal group it should have assisted the women in finding another hall to mitigate the harm
 
“I agree, but as I don’t know in this case and they didn’t win that ground in this round - I’m willing to agree with the court.”

And herein lies the problem. Good Christians willing to accept subversive tactics by a militant opposition that wants to gradually work to ultimately do away with Christian morals as the basis of anything. You have heard of the boiled frog, no?

All that is required for evil to be done is for good people to do nothing.

Go with the court on another ruling that takes money out of Christian pockets and puts it into the hands of homosexual militants.
 
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Brad:
And herein lies the problem. Good Christians willing to accept subversive tactics by a militant opposition that wants to gradually work to ultimately do away with Christian morals as the basis of anything. You have heard of the boiled frog, no?

All that is required for evil to be done is for good people to do nothing.

Go with the court on another ruling that takes money out of Christian pockets and puts it into the hands of homosexual militants.
But this ruling was against the discrimination suit.

Are you saying that anytime someone sues a christian - it should just be dismissed because they aren’t christian?

If this in any way had said the KoC didn’t have the right to say no to this duo - I would agree with you, but that’s not what happened. the court actually upheld that right. I think that’s a good thing.
 
Rob’s Wife said:
But this ruling was against the discrimination suit.

Are you saying that anytime someone sues a christian - it should just be dismissed because they aren’t christian?

If this in any way had said the KoC didn’t have the right to say no to this duo - I would agree with you, but that’s not what happened. the court actually upheld that right. I think that’s a good thing.

what you fail to understand is that the couple is doing an unholy act in a catholic building! that’s what’s wrong with this picture.
 
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Brad:
Whatever happened to private enterprise? So now, if you have a business, you must sell to ANYONE?
I think the era of banning blacks from businesses simply because the owner disliked blacks is long over. Business owners can not refuse to serve members of the public that they consider distasteful.
When did it become that government can tell private enterprise what to do but private enterprise cannot tell the government what to do?
If you consider the influence of lobbyists and of campaign contributions, I think you will find that private enterprise may have too much influence over government.
 
Guar Fan:
I think the era of banning blacks from businesses simply because the owner disliked blacks is long over. Business owners can not refuse to serve members of the public that they consider distasteful.

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Acutally certain types of business (restaurant, bar, airlines) can say no and not serve/service you.
 
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Karin:
Acutally certain types of business (restaurant, bar, airlines) can say no and not serve/service you.Correct. Only in the case of protected classes can you not discriminate on that basis. E.g., you can’t refuse service to someone because they’re black, but you can refuse service to someone because they’re a Star Trek fan.

However, that’s American law. I think Canadian law has slightly broader protection against discrimination, and BC law may have additional protections beyond federal law.
 
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Digitonomy:
Correct. Only in the case of protected classes can you not discriminate on that basis. E.g., you can’t refuse service to someone because they’re black, but you can refuse service to someone because they’re a Star Trek fan.
Yeah and in my humble opinion there are TOO many “protected” classes!
 
Guar Fan:
I think the era of banning blacks from businesses simply because the owner disliked blacks is long over. Business owners can not refuse to serve members of the public that they consider distasteful.

If you consider the influence of lobbyists and of campaign contributions, I think you will find that private enterprise may have too much influence over government.
Have you ever seen the sign: “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” You cannot FORCE someone to run a business your way. If I don’t want to allow known habitual shoplifters (criminals) into my store, I will not be forced to allow them. I will also not allow – if i were a Priest – homosexual “married” couples (criminals against the holy law of God) into my parish hall to celebrate this crime.
 
Guar Fan:
I think the era of banning blacks from businesses simply because the owner disliked blacks is long over. Business owners can not refuse to serve members of the public that they consider distasteful.

If you consider the influence of lobbyists and of campaign contributions, I think you will find that private enterprise may have too much influence over government.
Also your analogy is flawed. It is immoral to disregard people because of their race. There is lawful and just discrimination. Discrimination is NOT a bad word, not matter how much society tries to calm it is.

I just filled out an application today. In the application, the company stated that they would DISCRIMINATE against those who held conflict of interests, used drugs, has a warrant out on them, etc.

In the case of the Church and these lesbians, there is a MAJOR conflict of interests.
 
James_2:24:
Have you ever seen the sign: “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” You cannot FORCE someone to run a business your way.
Where you see the above mentioned sign, neither party has entered into a business agreement. A business can’t enter into a contract and back out after signing on the dotted line. The K of C should have been more careful in their contracts or written in an escape clause. Without such contingencies, they entered into a legally binding agreement. Only a fool would think you could back out without any risk of liability.

Now, if they could prove that the contract was signed in “bad faith”, that is, that this couple made the arrangements for the sole purpose of imposing their lifestyle on a religious organization, they would have a leg to stand on.

I sympathize with the K of C, but they should be more careful when entering into business agreements.

Nohome
 
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bones_IV:
what you fail to understand is that the couple is doing an unholy act in a catholic building! that’s what’s wrong with this picture.
No, they aren’t because the KoC said no and the court backed up their right to do so.

The money paid was because the KoC should have made sure they knew who/what they were doing business with before taking the duos money and that duos made arrangments based on using the facilities they had recieved an ok to use.


 
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jdnation:
Two women who accused a Catholic men’s group of discriminating against them for cancelling their wedding hall booking in 2003 have been partially vindicated by the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal.

Whole Article:
cbc.ca/bc/story/bc_lesbians-wedding20051129.html
I would think this entire episode would be negated if such acts, same sex marriage, were illegal to begin with.

All the legal hoopla is because a kooky idea is legally allowed in the first place.
 
Rob’s Wife said:
No, they aren’t because the KoC said no and the court backed up their right to do so.

The money paid was because the KoC should have made sure they knew who/what they were doing business with before taking the duos money and that duos made arrangments based on using the facilities they had recieved an ok to use.

baloney. that’s modernism.
 
Karin, Digitonomy and James, thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding.
 
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