Let Mormons be Mormon and Catholics be Catholics

[GrammasRose]

Most of the people who act in this way are not true Catholics. They are apostates form the LDS Church who have adopted Catholicism as platform from which to bash Mormonism. They form the tiniest minority of Catholics, and they are by no means true representatives Catholicism at large. They tend to haunt places such as these where their shrill and loud voices far outweighs their true influence in the world or even in the Catholic Church. It is very wrong to judge Catholics or Catholicism by their posts and their actions.

zerinus

If you believe that then what are you doing here? Trying to win back converts and strays?

 

[GrammasRose]

Maybe it has been overlooked but I posted two videos that showed positives about both faiths. And both videos had music centered in christ. Do you see the point? Maybe not. For some strange reason, it was overlooked. But I am not surprised. It seems a hard heart is rather common these days. Listen to the mormon video and the words of the music. It speaks of Christ as our helper through life.

And then listen to the catholic video and its music: It is also about Christ. Get the point?

I watched both videos and they were nice. However, you cannot candy coat things and hope eveyrone turns a blind eye.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

while we must treat everyone with the dignity of being made in the image of God, but mormonism was founded by a pervert who lead many astray.

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! 7

we as catholics are obligated to proclaim the truth, even if it hurts people’s feelings. joe smith was a fraud and liar. mormonism, while holding to some traditional christian values, is rotten at its core because the founder was rotten at his core.

 

[wademann]

Perhaps the LDS missionary program is an important part of the LDS PR problem. I think they alienate too many people, and set off the kind of contention you see on this board.

There is a saying among some Mormons, something like “If it wasn’t for the Spirit involved in their work the missionaries would have ruined the church a long time ago”, or something like that.

I thought that was pretty funny, when I first heard it. It definitely rings true in a lot of cases.

 

[why_me]

I watched both videos and they were nice. However, you cannot candy coat things and hope eveyrone turns a blind eye.

Are you referring to the Catholic video or to the mormon one? Or to both? Lets see, a wedding is a wedding. It was made for the bride and groom to remember their wedding day. Is that sugar coated? Perhaps all weddings are sugar coated.

The catholic video stressed the diversity of the catholic faith…and perhaps that was sugar coated too. But both were nice and showed people as people. Get the point?

 

[SteveSee]

one could say that i’ve been both, and am now neither. i did have a vision that most of the churches discovered that they each had what they needed of Truth however were missing some of what the other had. In their own hearts they knew that there was more to learn. if only each could discover in the other what they are missing and then would become the same faith. could this be? it probably will in the last few years before the Heavens and Earth melt away with ferverent heat. However i hope it is much sooner.

 

[zerinus]

If you believe that then what are you doing here?

I am here to debate Mormonism with non-Mormons mainly—although my interest in religion is not confined to Mormonism.

Trying to win back converts and strays?

Anything but. There is no people on earth whom I despise more than apostates from Mormonism—and by that I mean real apostates; not just anybody who leaves the LDS Church. I mean those who leave it, and then turn against it with all their might, and wage war against it. I wouldn’t try to win them back into the Church even if I could. These are the kinds of folks of whom Peter wrote: “whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. . . . These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever” (2 Peter 2:3, 17). Jude also had some unflattering things to say to them: “clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever” (Jude 1:12-13). These folks are damned already. There is no remedy. Anybody who tries to rescue them risks bringing the same judgement on himself—although that is not to say that some LDS are not naïve enough and unwise enough to try to.

zerinus

 

[majick275]

well there’s the spirit of blood atonement. If someone left because they they knew it was wrong they are OBLIGATED to warn others. no different than someone seeing the light and leaving satanism. they can’t just say Oh let the satanists do their thing in peace and let’s just move on. I think the Bible deals with mormons in 2 Peter and the letter to the hebrews quite nicely. repent and be baptized

 

[tundramom]

Anything but. There is no people on earth whom I despise more than apostates from Mormonism—and by that I mean real apostates; not just anybody who leaves the LDS Church. I mean those who leave it, and then turn against it with all their might, and wage war against it. I wouldn’t try to win them back into the Church even if I could. These are the kinds of folks of whom Peter wrote: “whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. . . . These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever” (2 Peter 2:3, 17). Jude also had some unflattering things to say to them: “clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever” (Jude 1:12-13). These folks are damned already. There is no remedy. Anybody who tries to rescue them risks bringing the same judgement on himself—although that is not to say that some LDS are not naïve enough and unwise enough to try to.

zerinus

Oh if I could only show this to most of the Mormons on the mormon discussion board without them trying to deny that this is how Mormons truly feel about those of us who have left.
See, the problem with letting “Mormons be Mormons” is that they keep trying to be accepted as just another Christian denomination and/ or THE denomination. At times in the past they actually were proud to stand apart from Christianity. Now their PR machine is working so much in trying to seem a part of Christianity that it is almost a 180.

zerinus, thank you for being honest in how you, as well as most mormons, view us “apostates”. I am so glad that I have left and have embraced the One True God.

Thank you Jesus for leading me out of Mormonism and into Your Church.

in Christ
Steph

 

[why_me]

Oh if I could only show this to most of the Mormons on the mormon discussion board without them trying to deny that this is how Mormons truly feel about those of us who have left.
See, the problem with letting “Mormons be Mormons” is that they keep trying to be accepted as just another Christian denomination and/ or THE denomination. At times in the past they actually were proud to stand apart from Christianity. Now their PR machine is working so much in trying to seem a part of Christianity that it is almost a 180.

zerinus, thank you for being honest in how you, as well as most mormons, view us “apostates”. I am so glad that I have left and have embraced the One True God.

Thank you Jesus for leading me out of Mormonism and into Your Church.

in Christ
Steph

Actually, you know that you are being judgemental here. Have you seen the catholic posters acting holier than thou on this board. My gosh, it is almost daily. I have heard over and over again how in catholicism there is the truth…a truth that is 2000 years old.

Really, tundramom, you must smell the flowers sometimes. People are people be them mormon or catholic. And what about those liberal mormons who have graced this forum…any kind words for them or do they upset your theory about mormons?

Let people be people…we all have much in common.

 

[cestusdei]

whyme, when mormon missionaries stop trying to convert Catholics then we will see. I don’t think that is going to happen. Our fighting back is perfectly acceptable.

I used to live in the intermountain region. Shall I share some of my experiences with mormons? It isn’t pretty.

 

[GrammasRose]

I am here to debate Mormonism with non-Mormons mainly—although my interest in religion is not confined to Mormonism.

Anything but. There is no people on earth whom I despise more than apostates from Mormonism—and by that I mean real apostates; not just anybody who leaves the LDS Church. I mean those who leave it, and then turn against it with all their might, and wage war against it. I wouldn’t try to win them back into the Church even if I could. These are the kinds of folks of whom Peter wrote: “whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. . . . These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever” (2 Peter 2:3, 17). Jude also had some unflattering things to say to them: “clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever” (Jude 1:12-13). These folks are damned already. There is no remedy. Anybody who tries to rescue them risks bringing the same judgement on himself—although that is not to say that some LDS are not naïve enough and unwise enough to try to.

zerinus

And there in lies you’re true heart. As I suspected. You are the true apostate truly for Jesus would never act or respond in this manner. You enjoy demeaning those who you believe are apostate as if you know their hearts and you rush to judgement defying the very words of Christ.

James 4:11
Do not speak against one another, brothers and sisters. 1 He who speaks against a fellow believer 2 or judges a fellow believer speaks against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but its judge. 3
James 4:12
But there is only one who is lawgiver and judge – the one who is able to save and destroy. On the other hand, who are you to judge your neighbor? 1

I am every so greatful to have found the truth and the truth sir is not in you.

 

[GrammasRose]

Oh if I could only show this to most of the Mormons on the mormon discussion board without them trying to deny that this is how Mormons truly feel about those of us who have left.
See, the problem with letting “Mormons be Mormons” is that they keep trying to be accepted as just another Christian denomination and/ or THE denomination. At times in the past they actually were proud to stand apart from Christianity. Now their PR machine is working so much in trying to seem a part of Christianity that it is almost a 180.

zerinus, thank you for being honest in how you, as well as most mormons, view us “apostates”. I am so glad that I have left and have embraced the One True God.

Thank you Jesus for leading me out of Mormonism and into Your Church.

in Christ
Steph

AMEN!

 

[GrammasRose]

Actually, you know that you are being judgemental here. Have you seen the catholic posters acting holier than thou on this board. My gosh, it is almost daily. I have heard over and over again how in catholicism there is the truth…a truth that is 2000 years old.

Really, tundramom, you must smell the flowers sometimes. People are people be them mormon or catholic. And what about those liberal mormons who have graced this forum…any kind words for them or do they upset your theory about mormons?

Let people be people…we all have much in common.

you chastize her yet you don’t chastize who you should that says loads about you.

 

[colliric]

Not true. It exists because it was revealed and established by revelation and angelic ministration from God. We know that an Apostasy occurred because of the Restoration, not the other way round. I know that the early church apostatized because I happen to know that the LDS Church is true, not the opposite.

zerinus

yeah you see this is why I’m catholic, the Church of christ never entered into Apostasy at all, that would be an indication that lucifer is not bound by Christ’s power “and the gates of hell shall not rise against it”. Simply not truth that there was any such thing as an apostasy because Christ said his church was going to kick *** until the end of time and his second coming and it was never going to fall down from the limelight. Individuals would fall,including church leaders, but as a whole it will remain visible and on earth until time is up…

 

[colliric]

I still don’t know what Catholics actually believe.

The Catechism pretty much sums it all up… Worth owing that book.
“Catholicism for Dummies” was pretty concise too.

 

[heathernoel]

Anything but. There is no people on earth whom I despise more than apostates from Mormonism—and by that I mean real apostates; not just anybody who leaves the LDS Church. I mean those who leave it, and then turn against it with all their might, and wage war against it. I wouldn’t try to win them back into the Church even if I could. These are the kinds of folks of whom Peter wrote: “whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. . . . These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever” (2 Peter 2:3, 17). Jude also had some unflattering things to say to them: “clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever” (Jude 1:12-13). These folks are damned already. There is no remedy. Anybody who tries to rescue them risks bringing the same judgement on himself—although that is not to say that some LDS are not naïve enough and unwise enough to try to.

If every Mormon had this p.o.v., the church would be much smaller.

Thank goodness Catholics always welcome reverts. Jeesh.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

There is no people on earth whom I despise more than apostates from Mormonism—and by that I mean real apostates; not just anybody who leaves the LDS Church.

i think you should be mormon then. i think they are venting a just anger at the lies and deciet of the mormon church. as long as they offically remove themselves from the church, why do you care?

mormonism is a lie. every mormon has the obligation to seek the truth. i pray for the day that the entire LDS revolts and enters into the catholic church.

These folks are damned already. There is no remedy

the bible and gospel are not about condemnation, leave that to God. when you condem, you may condem yourself.

 

[GrammasRose]

i think you should be mormon then. i think they are venting a just anger at the lies and deciet of the mormon church. as long as they offically remove themselves from the church, why do you care?

mormonism is a lie. every mormon has the obligation to seek the truth. i pray for the day that the entire LDS revolts and enters into the catholic church.the bible and gospel are not about condemnation, leave that to God. when you condem, you may condem yourself.

You are responding to one who is a mormon.

 

[Aramis]

Mormons do let catholics be catholics. They have a missionary effort but these missionaries are only explaining the lds church to those who wish to listen. If one is getting their spiritual food from the RC, that person would not be tempted to leave the catholic faith. And lets face it, it does work both ways.

Here however on this forum there are certain hard-nosed people who seem to relish using harsh words such as cult. Mormonism is not a cult.

Then why the secret rituals? Why the closed doors? Why send the ones who are just coming to full rational thought (See Piaget’s various works) and have not had time to reflect rationally on their faith as missionaries?

Perhaps the LDS missionary program is an important part of the LDS PR problem. I think they alienate too many people, and set off the kind of contention you see on this board.

Mormon missionaries, being usually young, and not terribly well versed in understanding the Bible, often come across as both comical and deluded, and far too often, brainwashed.

While some people are alienated when door-to-door missionaries of whatever stripe come to the door, I doubt that is the case with most - if not all - the Catholics who engage here with the LDS participants. Any contentions arise because of the great divide re some very basic doctrinal issues and not because of nice young men on bicycles.

I’ve no problem with Mormons who live a good life… I believe they will spend a long time in purgatory for their errors, but some, perhaps even many, will make it to heaven despite Joseph Smith.

I do have a problem with Mormon Missionary efforts, especially those who do not pay attention to the big sign on my door saying “No Solicitors. No Missionaries.” Especially, also those coworkers who think that by repeating the same misguided rhetoric often enough that I’ll come to believe it.