Let Mormons be Mormon and Catholics be Catholics

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zerinus said:
You don’t make sense. Sorry, I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. Will quit the debate if you can’t talk better sense.

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You aren’t debating to begin with and you can go back and read just as easy as the rest of us. You know exactly what I am talking about. Denial is what makes a good mormon these days it seems.
 
GrammasRose said:
Thank you for these links. I have been to some of these sites but have not investigated the Catholicism angle. I already know I will agree with you on the article you mention and Nibley. I have never understood how Catholicism has been so made to appear so small before Constantine. I have never found that and in fact have found nothing but support for the Catholic faith. I was a convert to the LDS faith from Catholicism and never noticed those things, but then I never went looking either.

Btw since I am thinking about it what if any thoughts do you have on the digs of Nahom? Maybe I should start a thread 🙂
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I don’t think them significant. The Bom doesn’t mention a city being there and is pretty clear on Lehi being a jew who knew egyptian.

The findings indicate the city was called Nihm. (form the altar inscriptions). the city dates back before Lehi’s time and thus would have been there. The Nihmites used Arabian script. NHM does not give you Nahom in light of the facts. I think everything we discover there disproves the Mormon theory.
 
zerinus said:
Oh, there ain’t that many Zmen around! I come from the planet Zirkon, and I drive a Zmobile, and dress in a Zsuit, and my job is to kick the **** of all Mormon apostates and anti-Mormons! 😃

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Zirkon. Is that in the same system as Kolob?

I’d asked about Kolob yesterday, but have not seen your reply. Here is my original question again:

What is Kolob? Where is it? Who, if anyone, lives there?
 
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But, Allweather, I am curious about that, too. Has anyone actually found that planet. And, in fact, if they have, are there more “Gods”?

I do not ask in jest…I truly can’t wrap my head around the belief that God came from another planet.

This is a chance to inform.

Please don’t post a link to the Lds page. I want to know in layman’s terms.

TIA!
 
majick275 said:
I don’t think them significant. The Bom doesn’t mention a city being there and is pretty clear on Lehi being a jew who knew egyptian.

The findings indicate the city was called Nihm. (form the altar inscriptions). the city dates back before Lehi’s time and thus would have been there. The Nihmites used Arabian script. NHM does not give you Nahom in light of the facts. I think everything we discover there disproves the Mormon theory.
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Thank you! I feel the same way. I am in a discussion about it in a forum I have elsewhere. I was curious as to your thoughts. Some mormons seem to believe this is quite the find and substantiates the claims of the areas of the BOM. What I have read seems to counter some of it, but it isn’t really clear yet either. I tend to believe the more they find will debunk it in time.
 
heathernoel said:
🤷

But, Allweather, I am curious about that, too. Has anyone actually found that planet. And, in fact, if they have, are there more “Gods”?

I do not ask in jest…I truly can’t wrap my head around the belief that God came from another planet.

This is a chance to inform.

Please don’t post a link to the Lds page. I want to know in layman’s terms.

TIA!
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Kolob is supposed to be where God lives. It comes from the Pearl of Great Price, one of the scriptures of the LDS.

Here is a pretty simple explanation through wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

and through mormon wiki
mormonwiki.com/mormonism/Kolob
 
On sunday night here the local ewtn affiliate ran an interview in the Coming Home show with a guy that left the church to become a mormon and then left the lds church and became atheist, and then came back to the catholic church. I think the guy’s name was Paul Duprey? Anyway, it was a fascinating insight to the differences between the faiths and how the inner mormon church works, etc, from a catholic viewpoint. He had interesting things to say about what goes on in the temple, and the lack of worship in the lds church in general, in his view.

I am always fascinated to hear from people when they come from another faith, about how the authority of the church convinces them about catholicism. About how when they examine the new testament, when they examine the history of the church, when they see the authority Jesus gave it, how it convinces people of it’s truth. Good stuff.
 
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zerinus:
The LDS Church is a new dispensation of the gospel. It is a restoration of the original church of Christ; and God has given it the same commandment He gave to His ancient church, to preach His gospel to every creature.
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No He hasn’t.

God said He would never leave the Church that He founded. And He never did.

Until along came Joseph Smith and said otherwise.

So who are we to believe, God or Smith?

Hmm 😉
 
Pathetic. He says it happened in 100AD. But he gives no evidence. He just assumes it as he assumes the early Church was somehow mormon. There is no evidence for that whatsoever. We do have the writings of men who knew the apostles. They give no indication that there was any mormon type church. Mormons pop along 1800 years later and make outlandish claims without any evidence. It’s enough to make me ride away on my tapir.
 
GrammasRose said:
You avoid a lot of scripture that says we should pray for all. You really need to learn to judge from literal uinderstanding to metaphoric understanding.
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As Mormons believe The Bible isnt as reliable as the book of mormon, that isn’t really a suprise. A Mormon told me that we can’t rely on The Bible.
 
cestusdei said:
Pathetic. He says it happened in 100AD. But he gives no evidence. He just assumes it as he assumes the early Church was somehow mormon. There is no evidence for that whatsoever. We do have the writings of men who knew the apostles. They give no indication that there was any mormon type church. Mormons pop along 1800 years later and make outlandish claims without any evidence. It’s enough to make me ride away on my tapir.
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The archealogical evedence for a Jewish comunity in North America dioesn’t exist either. No records occur in Hebrew writing of anyone leaving for North America either. I guess Joseph Smith couldn’t handle Jesus appaearing on somebody elses continant. :mad:
 
cestusdei said:
Pathetic. He says it happened in 100AD. But he gives no evidence. He just assumes it as he assumes the early Church was somehow mormon. There is no evidence for that whatsoever. We do have the writings of men who knew the apostles. They give no indication that there was any mormon type church. Mormons pop along 1800 years later and make outlandish claims without any evidence. It’s enough to make me ride away on my tapir.
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I guess I can sympathize to some extent with these people. If they’ve swallowed the idea the Book of Mormon is really true history, they’re forced to state there was an apostasy at some point. You’ve really got to wanna believe to believe in the Book of Mormon, but they’ve found some kind of peace there. They seem to have a real interest in coming to Catholic Answers to try to destroy the peace we’ve found in the Catholic Church, but frankly I’ve found much more peace in the Catholic Church then I ever found trying to reconcile the Book of Mormon with reality. It’s much easier and simpler to believe that Christ founded his church and managed to keep leading it without interruption in spite of our human weaknesses. Perhaps someday they will find out that finding the truth isn’t as difficult as they try to make it.
 
After reading the link the thing that really struck me is that this is their big apologetics site. If this is the best they can do then that is truly shocking. Not even a minimal attempt at real historical studies.
 
East_Anglican said:
As Mormons believe The Bible isnt as reliable as the book of mormon, that isn’t really a suprise. A Mormon told me that we can’t rely on The Bible.
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Mormons believe in the bible only as far as it is translated correctly. I have been having a conversation elsewhere with a mormon who basically puts the bible down at every turn. He looks at it as totally unreliable. Frankly I find that disturbing.
Mormons know the Bible but they interpret it their way and having done so have taken away many things in my opinion.

Adam and Eve for example. They are looked at entirely different then most Christians view them.
 
christianley said:
I guess I can sympathize to some extent with these people. If they’ve swallowed the idea the Book of Mormon is really true history, they’re forced to state there was an apostasy at some point. You’ve really got to wanna believe to believe in the Book of Mormon, but they’ve found some kind of peace there. They seem to have a real interest in coming to Catholic Answers to try to destroy the peace we’ve found in the Catholic Church, but frankly I’ve found much more peace in the Catholic Church then I ever found trying to reconcile the Book of Mormon with reality. It’s much easier and simpler to believe that Christ founded his church and managed to keep leading it without interruption in spite of our human weaknesses. Perhaps someday they will find out that finding the truth isn’t as difficult as they try to make it.
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I believe part of why they like to converse with Catholics is as they always have said Catholics make the best mormons. They do target them in that respect.
 
GrammasRose said:
I believe part of why they like to converse with Catholics is as they always have said Catholics make the best mormons. They do target them in that respect.
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I did find it was easier to convert Catholics then it was to convert a Protestant. The Catholics were easily fooled by the proof-texts Mormons provided because they generally aren’t as well-versed in the Bible as Protestants are. The Catholics are often not very well-versed in Catholicism either.
 
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