"Let there be light " He is first born of creation

[Benadam]

In the Begginning God Created. Jesus is that
His soul is Created glorified and His Divine Nature is why He is co-eternal. I’m on my phone right now. I’m not good at texting. I think I’ll wait till I get home to respond to posts. Thanks for posting.

 

[Benadam]

I didn’t make that claim. The light is created into a formless void.

 

[Benadam]

The Word is from God and is God. I’ll be able to do justice to your response when I get home later. Thank you for posting Redfan.

 

[Vico]

I must say I haven’t thought about this in great detail. How do you think Genesis 1 and John 1 are connected?

Genesis	John​
1:1	1:1-2​
1:1	1:3​

 

[Benadam]

No, since the Word is the Son of God, one person of the uncreated Holy Trinity.

Isn’t Jesus the light of the world and the Son of God? I’m proposing an idea about His soul. How does that proposition deny His Divinity?

 

[Benadam]

I don’t think so. The Word of God created the light. Before that light was created by the Word, Genesis references the earth (albeit formless) and the waters (albeit deep), so the author of Genesis must have had in mind the existence of something physical out there in the windy dark before the light. Clearly light wasn’t the first thing created according to this story.

We know that Jesus is the Word. When God created the Heaven and the Earth yet formless, there was void. God said: There is the Word and In that Word that issues from God is light.
Imagine what it would mean if it were a soul. It would ‘fill’ up the void… The boundaries of which are heaven and earth. So, as a soul it’s good explanation for all the things said about Jesus. Said in the OT What He said about Himself and what the Church teaches as well.

If there is a void, And in that void is created a soul, that one soul would fill the void. Whatever else is created is created in that soul. When that that soul is infused in a body that body and soul becomes a Person that Person can say everything Jesus said or be whatever is that is true about what Jesus is, and it makes more sense.

John 8-56

Your ancestor Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day; he saw it and was glad.” 57 Then the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[k] 58 Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, before Abraham was, I am.

Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness but will have the light of life.”

“Master, now you are dismissing your servant[h] in peace,
according to your word;
30 for my eyes have seen your salvation,
31 which you have prepared in the presence of all peoples,
32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles
and for glory to your people Israel.”

if what I’m thinking is true, That first day is the the entire past, and the moment as it proceeds, and has from the beginning to the end. Jesus is the beginning and the end. Abraham saw Jesus’ Day. Prophecy is the spirit of Jesus , was, is , yet to come. If what I’m thinking is true it’s a good explanation for prophecy. I gather all men unto myself. When Jesus died Into your hands I commit my spirit. He could have said soul.
If you see some reason to not believe it I would like to know.

 

[Benadam]

Jesus ’ soul and body are created things. His human nature is one with His Divine Nature. Jesus was conceived with a glorified soul. It’s the soul of Jesus that sees His Father face to face. St Thomas Aquinas explains how it works. Jesus’ soul

 

[Benadam]

Thanks Vico. What I’m thinking isn’t Arian though. You might have to show me how it is, if it is.

I posted this to RedFan

If there is a void, And in that void is created a soul, that one soul would fill the void. Whatever else is created is created in that soul. When that that soul is infused in a body that body and soul becomes a Person, that Person can say everything Jesus said, be whatever is true about what Jesus is, and it makes more sense.

 

[Benadam]

it says this in there too. You can tell the works of God, they come in pairs and opposites.

God’s works are paradoxical.

 

[Benadam]

John 1:3 says “in him” not “by him”.

He is the beginning and the Word and the Second Divine Person. His soul as a creation doesn’t change that. The soul of Jesus has always been taught to be created. You obviously see that. thanks

 

[Benadam]

Very Close ratio He’s not called a day but that first day ( if this is true)is proper to Him. So He can say 'My Day" as when He said; "Your ancestor Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day;"Thanks for responding

 

[sonofbarry]

I thought Genesis was a story of renewal. The earth had been destroyed, possibly as a result of the demons being cast down after the War in Heaven (hence formless, covered in water). God would not have created a formless void, so something cataclysmic must have happened to it. What followed was God’s conscious decision to re-create the earth.
I think there’s a lot of back-story that we have to piece together from odd bits of scripture.
At heart, it’s a faith story.
The OP might be right (might be) if we see the Word as taking on a new destiny, a new clearly defined mission as a result of the Father’s restoration. In this context, when Jesus said “I am the light of the world”, He might have meant exactly that.

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

Christ was mention in the first few words of Genesis. In Revelation one of the titles used to describe Jesus was the Beginning and the End. So the, In the Beginning refers to Him. I think Saint Augustine, one of the Doctors of the Church, was the one who came up with this idea. Jesus was already in existence with the rest of the Holy Trinity. I’m not sure when or how the soul of Jesus was created. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were asking.

 

[Benadam]

This idea is about Jesus soul. His soul is created in glory. That in it’self means that particular human soul is created divinized. The light of the Transfiguration is the light that Jesus hid with His body. He let the three Apostles see it. In that light they saw Moses and Elisha. What I propose explains how that is so. Because Jesus’ soul encompasses the material creation ifr it’s true that His soul is the light that filled the void of earth. His soul relates to the heavens in a different way. The idea is forming and I haven’t articulated it well. I appreciate your response Thank you

 

[Benadam]

Thanks SammyRose, Very true what you said. I probably shouldn’t have posted this idea the way I did. It seems like I was asking for understanding. What I really meant by posing the questions was, " is there any reason this isn’t true?"

Jesus is a person, when His soul infuses His body. His Body and Soul together is a person. With a soul as I’m thinking His soul is, would become a person who could say exactly what Jesus did say and it be easily understood. So, I’m really asking " is there any reason this isn’t true?" Thank you for your kind response.

 

[Vico]

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Isn’t Jesus the light of the world and the Son of God? I’m proposing an idea about His soul. How does that proposition deny His Divinity?

The Son of God assumed the incarnation at his conception when his human soul was created.

John 1: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[cookie-san]

Jesus is the Word of God. Through Him all creation was made. ‘Let there be Light’- that sentence, the words from God the Father, is Jesus. That’s how I’ve always understood it. Even in the first book of Narnia, Aslan creates Narnia through singing.

Later in Proverbs 8, you can see that Wisdom (personified as a woman) says that she was before all creation, like a little child that takes joy in all that her Father created. That is Jesus too. He was just there.

 

[Benadam]

The Son of God assumed the incarnation at his conception when his human soul was created.

The Son of God is Divine in nature. St Thomas teaches that it is the two natures that are united in the Person of Jesus. But you bring up a good point if the Church teaches that Jesus’ soul is created at that time. I know that’s when God creates our souls. But then we didn’t create our own souls like God did. I will have to know that detail before I put any stock in this suggestion.Thank you Vico

John 1: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

What I suggest is in accord with that.

 

[Benadam]

Good observation! Jesus is referred to as the Wisdom of God. Although I don’t believe the light God created is Jesus’ soul if it violates a teaching of the Church that supersedes it cookie-san. Thank you for posting that beautiful image of Wisdom in proverbs.

 

[Vico]

…I know that’s when God creates our souls. But then we didn’t create our own souls like God did. I will have to know that detail before I put any stock in this suggestion.Thank you Vico
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Begotten before the ages … according to his Divinity, and in the last days … according to his humanity (“reasonable soul and flesh”).

From the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon (A.D. 451), Session II:

We confess, therefore, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, perfect God, and perfect Man of a reasonable soul and flesh consisting; begotten before the ages of the Father according to his Divinity, and in the last days, for us and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin according to his humanity, of the same substance with his Father according to his Divinity, and of the same substance with us according to his humanity; for there became a union of two natures. Wherefore we confess one Christ, one Son, one Lord.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3811.htm

It is to be remembered that, when the Word took Flesh, there was no change in the Word; all the change was in the Flesh. At the moment of conception, in the womb of the Blessed Mother, through the forcefulness of God’s activity, not only was the human soul of Christ created but the Word assumed the man that was conceived. When God created the world, the world was changed, that is, it passed from the state of nonentity to the state of existence; and there was no change in the Logos or Creative Word of God the Father. Nor was there change in that Logos when it began to terminate the human nature.

Ecclesiastical approbation. Nihil Obstat. June 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York.

Drum, W. (1910). The Incarnation. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07706b.htm