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Originally Posted by deb1:
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Do you think that Atheism is a religion?
Personally, I see atheism as a religion. Religion requires having faith in something that you can not absolutely prove.
At some point atheist have to take a leap of faith in order to be certain that there is not a God.
Also I have met a few Atheist who were every bit as intent on converting people to their viewpoint as the most die hard evangelical.
So what is your opinion, is Atheism a religion?
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Personally I would agree with you. They are not a RevealedReligion, and they won’t try to make even an unrevealed religion of their own. They are already divided on issues; I think they would remain a meme; and working secretly, not having a united and open stance.

I don’t think they have enough reasons to be one.

They are so unnatural and unreasonable in not believing in GodAllahYHWH. They don’t have even the needed support from the physical realm of which they claim to be the unregistered masters; and of the moral and spiritual realms- they know nothing, in my opinion, as these are out of their physical realm and hence out of the scientific method- which they never invented but follow it blindly.

One could differ with me with reasons.

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I think that would depend on if the person is really practicing what they claim. I could say I am anything but if I don’t live it or practice the beliefs than that can be in dispute.
 
They are not a RevealedReligion, and they won’t try to make even an unrevealed religion of their own.
Well, no – faith is about ‘I believe’, it wouldn’t make much sense to start a religion of skepticism.
They are already divided on issues; I think they would remain a meme; and working secretly, not having a united and open stance.
Sure, the heathen are divided; the only thing two agnostics will agree on is that they don’t know whether a deity exists. That’s the only qualifier to be one, no law, no doctrines, nothing else.
I don’t think they have enough reasons to be one.
I think you misunderstand the idea: we don’t have enough (or any) reasons to be religious. Starting from a base of healthy skepticism (which is, oddly enough, a much-loved stance even in many schools of religious philosophy), what is there to convince anyone to sign on?

From the outside, religion looks like one person telling others that he’s got something special. Maybe he does, but there’s ‘special’ and then there’s ‘obviously not of this world’. I’ve yet to personally see any examples of the latter, and this is a beautiful example of a subject in which someone else’s word just won’t cut it. Let me put my fingers through the hands of Jesus of Nazareth, be visited by Gabriel, or be ridden by a lwa, then we’ll talk about convincing reasons.
They are so unnatural and unreasonable in not believing in GodAllahYHWH.
Funny, we often find belief in a supposedly-benevolent deity who refuses to show himself because he likes to keep people guessing rather than be honest with his creation a tich unreasonable, and as for unnatural, we’re not the ones postulating that natural reality is a product of an unnatural, self-subsistent super-reality 🙂
They don’t have even the needed support from the physical realm of which they claim to be the unregistered masters; and of the moral and spiritual realms- they know nothing, in my opinion, as these are out of their physical realm and hence out of the scientific method- which they never invented but follow it blindly.
Find me one sane unbelieving person or group who has claimed to be the unchallenged master of the natural realm, to know everything ever to have happened or to happen in the future. The only people I’m aware of who make even anything close to that claim are strongly religious – of the ‘if you had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could tell a mountain to uproot itself’ variety. Haven’t seen many mountains flying into the stratosphere lately.

As for the moral realm, nothing’s stopping us from knowing plenty about that. Just because religions have moral codes does not make morality the exclusive domain of religion. The heathen are just as capable of a reasoned study of morality as the faithful – that we may differ on some details (and usually not all that many) does not make us ignorant of morality.

Spiritual realm – why should anyone be concerned with something that has no proven basis in anything other than the imagination, particularly while we’ve got a lot to do in our own?
 
Well, no – faith is about ‘I believe’, it wouldn’t make much sense to start a religion of skepticism.
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I like your style of posting in the forum, you are always polite ,tolerant and reason oriented.
English is not my mother tongue, excuse me for accessing wictionary for the word “skepticism”, it has been defined as follows:
skeptic
  1. Someone who habitually doubts accepted beliefs and claims presented by others, requiring strong evidence before accepting any belief or claim.
  2. Someone undecided as to what is true.
  3. A type of agnostic
    skepticism is the thinking of the skeptic.
I cannot visulaize it to be reasonable for one to be always habitually doubting others. I don’t think it is morally advisable to doubt others habitually. Do you think it is a good human trait?

One could happily differ with me ; out of free will with good reasons.

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Hi

I like your style of posting in the forum, you are always polite ,tolerant and reason oriented.
English is not my mother tongue, excuse me for accessing wictionary for the word “skepticism”, it has been defined as follows:
Aw thanks 🙂 I haven’t had a problem understanding you, but are you studying English? It’s gotten a lot smoother over the last several months 🙂
skeptic
  1. Someone who habitually doubts accepted beliefs and claims presented by others, requiring strong evidence before accepting any belief or claim.
  2. Someone undecided as to what is true.
  3. A type of agnostic
    skepticism is the thinking of the skeptic.
I cannot visulaize it to be reasonable for one to be always habitually doubting others. I don’t think it is morally advisable to doubt others habitually. Do you think it is a good human trait?
The first item is closest. Skepticism in the sense I was using it is the idea that no belief should be accepted without giving it a thorough examination – or as thorough as befits the seriousness of that claims it makes. And what is more deserving of scrutiny than this? Why should I not look closely at a request that I give over my life to the service and worship of a particular entity before I commit? What could be more reasonable than wanting to read the fine print on the lease and kick the tires? But in the case of faith, the car isn’t even in the lot: I’m told that it’s fine, but it’s invisible.

The problem in this case is, God is unexaminable. You can’t glue him to a slide and stick him under a microscope. All there is to go on is people saying they have experienced the divine, and whether or not they truly have, there is no way for an outside observer to verify their statements.

The reason I call myself agnostic instead of atheist is that while I can’t verify those statements, I cannot absolutely discount them either. I simply have no way of knowing if what religious people say on the subject is true.
 
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