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JanSobieskiIII said:
Doing nothing in this situation is a conscious decision to let the others die. Inaction still results in an action.
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A woman’s pregnancy endanger’s her life and the life of her unborn child. Do nothing and they both die. But if you intervene to kill the child, that is a direct abortion and intrinsically evil. Sometimes you have to refrain from acting, even though more persons will die than if you acted.
 
Pretend you never saw the train and go back to using your smartphone
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
Since the last one was so fun and got closed, I now pose a different, much simpler question.

The trolley is headed towards the larger group of people, there is no time to cut the ropes for any of them.

Do you pull the lever and save the larger group at the expense of the single man?

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Neither. You do every thing possible to attempt to save the people without pulling the lever.

Where this question becomes more “fun” is if someone is a family member.
 
Ron_Conte said:
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JanSobieskiIII:
Doing nothing in this situation is a conscious decision to let the others die. Inaction still results in an action.
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A woman’s pregnancy endanger’s her life and the life of her unborn child. Do nothing and they both die. But if you intervene to kill the child, that is a direct abortion and intrinsically evil. Sometimes you have to refrain from acting, even though more persons will die than if you acted.
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No. You can do everything to save both, even if the child is not yet viable. Having a C-Section of a non-viable fetus which results in the baby’s death is not an abortion.
 
Vonsalza said:
If I’m at the lever, that single man is a goner. But I also consider the choice to be a dichotomy where my knowing failure to act also constitutes an act in itself.
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What if the single man was your father or son?
 
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That was addressed, there’s no time to untie anyone.
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Doesn’t matter. This senerio is one that has been used over and over again.

The only moral thing to do in the eyes of the Church is to attempt to fee them, even if it is futile. Pulling the lever is not moral in this instance.

When both groups are strangers, it’s easy to say “pull the lever and let the single guy die to save the 5.” But if you have a loved one in the situation, then it becomes a lot harder. Few people are going to pull the lever if that single man is their father, brother, or son.

If pulling the lever was the moral choice, then it would still be easy if the single guy was a loved one.
 
phil19034 said:
No. You can do everything to save both, even if the child is not yet viable. Having a C-Section of a non-viable fetus which results in the baby’s death is not an abortion.
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You think it is moral to remove a prenatal from the womb, prior to viability, to save the life of the mother? That is absolutely a case of direct abortion. The chosen act is directly ordered toward the end (the proximate end) of killing the child, since it is not viable outside the womb. So the killing of the child is the object of the act. The mother’s life is then only saved as a result of that act, placing the saving of life as a consequence, not an object.

If your position were true, then there would be no cases of direct abortion, when the mother’s life is endangered by the pregnancy. And what would we make of the Church’s teaching, then, that direct abortion is not justified to save the life of the mother?
 
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Do everything to save both but still causing indirect abortion?
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In this case, there is no indirect abortion. You are not removing a cancerous uterus or some similar situation. If the pregnancy endangers the mother’s life, you try to save both lives. But if you cannot, morally you have to let both die rather than choose direct abortion. And this is the teaching of the Church on direct abortion. It is not mere opinion.
 
Ugh I don’t know how you became a theologian lol I don’t think I have it in me!
 
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Just my opinions!

I agree with the posters who say that you cant choose who lives and dies. We cannot play God. Perhaps the 4 are very virtuous Saints who God would admit to heaven while the 1 would die in a state of mortal sin. We do not know everything. Its an imperfect world. We cannot see the future. If you save the 4 and let the 1 die, what if one of the 4 becomes a character like Hitler, wreaking all kinds of terrible moral evils on the world.

I think if the 1 is your spouse, you might have a morally binding duty to save your spouse. Again, I’m not entirely sure. Its just my opinion.
 
The OP doesn’t say that they are actually tied to the tracks. The drawing just shows their hands and feet bound. What about yelling to them to roll off the tracks? At least some of them might be able to get out of the way

Sorry…
 
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