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The following list is a sample of good areas to discuss under the heading, “Traditional Catholicism”. It’s not exhaustive; but it’s a place to start.

Extraordinary Form of the Liturgy
Church History
Classics of Western Spirituality
Classics in Western Theology
Customs
Church writings
The Fathers of the Church
The Desert Fathers & Mothers
The great schools of Western spirituality
The stories of the saints
Western religious orders and religious congregations

I propose we study a book. lets have recommendations of something thats availiable over the internet and encourage each other by studying it together.

This thread is just to hear what we’d like to study.

I personally love St. Augustine, perhaps something against Donatism? That way we gat to defend our Catholic faith in our commenatry, be uplifted by a doctor of the church and slam heretics all at the same time :D;)

seriously. the CCEL has such books availiable to all, would anyone care to join in?
 
no one - like Im left hanging with a high five…

sorry Thomas, I really am trying not to just talk about the OF, EF, TLM, SSPX and SSPV.😉
 
I this is a great idea! I’ve started reading an Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine myself, but if people decide to read something else that’d be fine.
 
Melchior said:
I this is a great idea! I’ve started reading an Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine myself, but if people decide to read something else that’d be fine.
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I vote for Newman’s Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine:
  • It’s in print
  • It’s a popular and cheap used book
  • It’s available on the internet in written form for free
  • It’s also available in audio form for free
  • He is a candidate for Doctor of the Church
  • Written in 1845 before V1, it speaks to the post-V2 era
I will be “reading” it in audio files every night before I go to bed.

I’m on board.
 
DianaCC said:
I vote for Newman’s Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine:
  • It’s in print
  • It’s a popular and cheap used book
  • It’s available on the internet in written form for free
  • It’s also available in audio form for free
  • He is a candidate for Doctor of the Church
  • Written in 1845 before V1, it speaks to the post-V2 era
I will be “reading” it in audio files every night before I go to bed.

I’m on board.
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Regardless of who decides what, I’d love it if you and I could compare notes on it. This will help keep me focused to continue reading! 🙂
 
Melchior said:
Regardless of who decides what, I’d love it if you and I could compare notes on it. This will help keep me focused to continue reading! 🙂
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I am reading Apologia Pro Vita Sua. I don’t want to read another Newman book, but if most people agree, I’ll go along.
 
christosdavid said:
The following list is a sample of good areas to discuss under the heading, “Traditional Catholicism”. It’s not exhaustive; but it’s a place to start.

Extraordinary Form of the Liturgy
Church History
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I think a deeper study of the liturgy, spirituality and sacramental practices of the church through the ages would be appropriate. 🙂

There was a rich and very deep background to the church. Traditional Catholicism didn’t begin in the 19th century, or even [way back 😉 ] at Trent.

I recall with fondness a wonderful thread started by a young man (Patrick457) about the Mozarabic Spanish church, which evangelized Spain and Portugal, suffered under the Moors and proclaimed Christianity for over 1000 years, then gave birth to the modern Spanish Catholic church and spread around the world. It was very thorough and very interesting. There is so much more like that to explore.

Then there are the spiritual giants, like Meister Eckhart, Thomas a’ Kempis and John of the Cross.

This is your history.

It is an exciting and beautiful story.
 
Hesychios said:
I think a deeper study of the liturgy, spirituality and sacramental practices of the church through the ages would be appropriate. 🙂

There was a rich and very deep background to the church. Traditional Catholicism didn’t begin in the 19th century, or even [way back 😉 ] at Trent.

I recall with fondness a wonderful thread started by a young man (Patrick457) about the Mozarabic Spanish church, which evangelized Spain and Portugal, suffered under the Moors and proclaimed Christianity for over 1000 years, then gave birth to the modern Spanish Catholic church and spread around the world. It was very thorough and very interesting. There is so much more like that to explore.

Then there are the spiritual giants, like Meister Eckhart, Thomas a’ Kempis and John of the Cross.

This is your history.

It is an exciting and beautiful story.
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St John of the Cross, Yay! I’m just beginning to read some of this writings. 😃
 
There seems to be alot of suggestions 😃 Im glad, out of all these how will we decide?

After all, they are all good, and I would be happy to join any of them.

Maybe if someone could make a poll out of it and if we are willing to go with the one voted for the most (democratic eh?) then we could read that…

thanks for all the suggestions 👍
 
christosdavid said:
no one - like Im left hanging with a high five…

sorry Thomas, I really am trying not to just talk about the OF, EF, TLM, SSPX and SSPV.😉
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So, why don’t we just rename this sub-forum, History of Catholicism?

To me, Traditional Catholicism is about the orthodox expression of dogma, the Traditional Latin Mass and traditional devotions which have been around for ages (such as the Holy Rosary).

It appears as though you’re proposing a history sub-forum.

Search “Traditional Catholicism” on Google and this comes up as the fourth option. The second option leads you here. Traditional Catholicism has a very specific meaning, and it has to do with the crisis in the Church in the wake of the Second Vatican Council.
 
christosdavid said:
There seems to be alot of suggestions 😃 Im glad, out of all these how will we decide?

After all, they are all good, and I would be happy to join any of them.

Maybe if someone could make a poll out of it and if we are willing to go with the one voted for the most (democratic eh?) then we could read that…

thanks for all the suggestions 👍
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You started the thread. I think you need to make the call. Count me in once you decide.
 
SouthpawLink said:
Traditional Catholicism has a very specific meaning, and it has to do with the crisis in the Church in the wake of the Second Vatican Council.
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In order to have said crisis, there must be a deviation from orthodoxy. In order to better understand the deviation, perhaps we should better understand orthodox Catholic practice. Church teachings did not originate from a vaccum. Thus, a historical treatment in tandum with subjects of study in wider Church teachings and those who taught them (the saints, in part) are critical to our understanding of what traditionalism is in contrast to heterodoxy and heresy.
 
tlimon said:
In order to have said crisis, there must be a deviation from orthodoxy. In order to better understand the deviation, perhaps we should better understand orthodox Catholic practice. Church teachings did not originate from a vaccum. Thus, a historical treatment in tandum with subjects of study in wider Church teachings and those who taught them (the saints, in part) are critical to our understanding of what traditionalism is in contrast to heterodoxy and heresy.
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Yes, there must be a deviation from orthodoxy, such as salvation outside the Church for the Eastern Orthodox (PCPCU, Uniatism: Method of Union of the Past…, n. 15; 1993) and encouragement of Catholics to worship liturgically with non-Catholics (PCPCU, Principles and Norms…, n. 118; 1993). Both of these new approaches/teachings contradict long-standing and unchangeable Catholic doctrine.

Yes, we should take into account what the perennial Magisterium has taught, in contrast to the novelties of the past 40-50 years.
 
SouthpawLink said:
Yes, there must be a deviation from orthodoxy, such as salvation outside the Church for the Eastern Orthodox (PCPCU, Uniatism: Method of Union of the Past…, n. 15; 1993) and encouragement of Catholics to worship liturgically with non-Catholics (PCPCU, Principles and Norms…, n. 118; 1993). Both of these new approaches/teachings contradict long-standing and unchangeable Catholic doctrine.

Yes, we should take into account what the perennial Magisterium has taught, in contrast to the novelties of the past 40-50 years.
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What is PCPCU?
 
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