Lets pretend Christianity doesnt exist:what religion would u be

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meltzerboy said:
Is that really the main point of Islam? Or do you mean what you said in a different way?
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Islam is a successor to Arianism, a Christian heresy - it could not exist if Christianity had never existed.

In my case, I would by default most likely be some kind of Druid, but if I had a choice, I’d become a follower of Guru Nanak. 🙂
 
in this question are we assuming jesus & mary did not exist?

or that jesus was born of mary & existed but failed in His mission to establish the Church?
 
meltzerboy said:
Is that really the main point of Islam? Or do you mean what you said in a different way?
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I do believe that it is the main point of islam but not the only point.

The reason that I say that it is the main point is the simple fact that without the Incarnation there is NO Christianity.

Another point of islam is that Judaism flows thru Isaac and islam flows thru Ismael.

Point one, so to speak, is the negation of the Incarnation which negates Christianity.

Point two, so to speak, is the negation of the line of Abraham thru Isaac which basically negates Judaism.

Whether one believes in Christianity or not, Christianity does not negate Judaism but flows from Judaism.
 
arthra said:
To me Christianity or the teachings of Jesus are a necessary and essential stage in our spiritual development…It would be like saying…Let’s pretend you didn’t have the ninth grade…so all your experiences and learnings from that stage are forgotten…
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Christianity is not “the teachings of Jesus”, Christianity is the Incarnation of God in the Person of Jesus.

It is very simple, either God became One of us in the Person of Jesus and Christianity is true or God did not become One of us in the Person of Jesus and Christianity is false.
 
brian_custer said:
in this question are we assuming jesus & mary did not exist?

or that jesus was born of mary & existed but failed in His mission to establish the Church?
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I did not ask the original question but I would assume that it would mean that God did not become One of us in the Incarnation since this is the most basic of the most basic of what Christianity is.
 
Tom_Baum said:
I do believe that it is the main point of islam but not the only point.

The reason that I say that it is the main point is the simple fact that without the Incarnation there is NO Christianity.

Another point of islam is that Judaism flows thru Isaac and islam flows thru Ismael.

Point one, so to speak, is the negation of the Incarnation which negates Christianity.

Point two, so to speak, is the negation of the line of Abraham thru Isaac which basically negates Judaism.

Whether one believes in Christianity or not, Christianity does not negate Judaism but flows from Judaism.
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So you basically believe that Islam is a religion designed mainly to negate other religions, rather than a religion that offers something of its own that is positive. The “religion of no,” so to speak.
 
Tom_Baum said:
I don’t believe that Judaism has ever sought converts but I do believe that Judaism has always allowed converts.
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Judaism does allow converts. The custom is to turn the potential convert away twice before accepting their desire to become a Jew the third time. The purpose of this is not to discourage the convert, but rather to ensure the person is sincere in their expressed desire and also to enable them to study more about Judaism so they realize that to practice the religion seriously is a challenge.
 
meltzerboy said:
So you basically believe that Islam is a religion designed mainly to negate other religions, rather than a religion that offers something of its own that is positive. The “religion of no,” so to speak.
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I wasn’t speaking of “other religions” in general but Christianity and Judaism in particular.

Since Christianity simply does not exist without Jesus being God-Incarnate and, as far as I know, the god of islam declaring Jesus to be merely a second rate prophet and not God-Incarnate, this, no matter what anyone says, simply negates Christianity.

Since Judaism is based on Abraham’s biological son thru his wife, as opposed to thru Hagar, which is what islam teaches this seems to negate Judaism, doesn’t it?
 
I would be a Vedic christian,as I believe that since Jesus always existed as God ,He came to save His people when the society had need ,at pre determined times ,and it is clear that He came and created the most Advanced culture known on earth around 10-12 thousand years ago . He would have chosen the Israelites at the time He did, time both because of having pre -planned it ,and then nurturing Abraham,Moses and others in order to be able to receive Him when the timing was ready .
The bible is the last testament to humanity ,their last chance to be saved,:before the new cycle ends and the old one passes away .
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I see a lot of people choosing Islam and Judaism, so here’s a new thought: What religion would you be if Abrahamic religions did not exist? (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)
 
Hindu. My ancestors were Hindus and had no knowledge of Christ thus there I’d be probably.

MJ
 
I’d be a Pagan…".Without the law I would not know what sin is."
 
Tom_Baum said:
Islam is NOT from Abraham, it is from Mohammed.

Islam did not come into existence until 600 and something AD.
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Exactly. Islam is not Abrahamic in the sense that it comes from Ismael. The Arabs might come from Ismael, but the Arabs weren’t Muslim until Mohammed made up his religion in about 600 AD, combining elements of Arab paganism, Judaism and heretic Christianity (and probably many original ideas, too).
 
KjetilK said:
Exactly. Islam is not Abrahamic in the sense that it comes from Ismael. The Arabs might come from Ismael, but the Arabs weren’t Muslim until Mohammed made up his religion in about 600 AD, combining elements of Arab paganism, Judaism and heretic Christianity (and probably many original ideas, too).
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If this were true, one could similarly say that:

Exactly. Christianity is not Abrahamic in the sense that it comes from Isaac. The Jews (and therefore Christians) might come from Isaac, but the Hebrews weren’t Christian until Christ made up his religion in about 30AD, combining elements of Roman paganism, Egyptian paganism and heretic Judaism (and probably many original ideas, too)

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Before Christianity, most religions were pagan. The only exception was Judaism which was in the reserve of Jews. The greatest deities of the pagan world were the Sun and the moon, sometimes worshiped in representations of idols.
Most likely I’d have believed in one of the pagan religions. These religions could spread or diminish depending on the influence of the stronger armies, as they believed that the gods gave them victory at war.
 
Servant19 said:
If this were true, one could similarly say that:

Exactly. Christianity is not Abrahamic in the sense that it comes from Isaac. The Jews (and therefore Christians) might come from Isaac, but the Hebrews weren’t Christian until Christ made up his religion in about 30AD, combining elements of Roman paganism, Egyptian paganism and heretic Judaism (and probably many original ideas, too)

🙂

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For the sake of argument let us assume your above about Christianity being a Jewish heresy with elements of paganism is true. Your “one could similarly say” comparison still doesn’t actually work. It doesn’t work because-
-Christianity still traces back to Isaac because it being a heresy doesn’t actually invalidate the it being Jewish part
-Islam still uses the wrong son since Judaism uses Isaac and the Jewish heresy known as Christianity uses Isaac

Your “one could similarly say” comment would only work if Christianity used Ishmael or Islam used Isaac.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
For the sake of argument let us assume your above about Christianity being a Jewish heresy with elements of paganism is true. Your “one could similarly say” comparison still doesn’t actually work. It doesn’t work because-
-Christianity still traces back to Isaac because it being a heresy doesn’t actually invalidate the it being Jewish part
-Islam still uses the wrong son since Judaism uses Isaac and the Jewish heresy known as Christianity uses Isaac

Your “one could similarly say” comment would only work if Christianity used Ishmael or Islam used Isaac.
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So was it Isaac or Ishmael who were important in history, or the ABRAHAM part??

I think the validity of a religion is the fact that they are “Abrahamic” religions implying monotheism…the rest is less relevant.

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