Lets pretend Christianity doesnt exist:what religion would u be

[brian_custer]

are you assuming mary & jesus didn’t exist? because in that small regard islam is a step ahead of judaeaism in at least recognizing that they (mary & jesus) are worthy of high praise

in the jewish religion (which i respect and and appreciate highly) jesus and mary are nobody but dirt poor losers

a single mom and an executed criminal

in islam they are all-stars jesus is the 2nd highest prophet

AND I MEAN NO DISRESPECT

 

[benotagoat]

Hindu. My ancestors were Hindus and had no knowledge of Christ thus there I’d be probably.

MJ

Well that is interesting that your were ‘hindus’.The name ‘hindu’ was not the name of the religion of the ,but a name given to the people living around the Hindu river (Shindhu really) by the moslem invaders ,and eventually to the religion V,edic the religion ( spiritual path) of these people .

If you look it up, you will find that it was a monotheist religion with Krishna as the supreme being . Gradually , first under the occupations by moslems, and then the British, it deteriorated into a pagan religion with ‘saints’ becoming 'god’s ,in much the same way as some modern religions do today.
So there is in reality no such religion as Hinduism .

 

[oldcatholicguy]

So was it Isaac or Ishmael who were important in history, or the ABRAHAM part??

I think the validity of a religion is the fact that they are “Abrahamic” religions implying monotheism…the rest is less relevant.

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-The term “Abrahamic” implies more than just a religion that is monotheistic
-One get’s to Abraham and God through Isaac, not through Ishmael. One get’s to the man Abraham through Isaac or Ishmael

 

[Servant19]

-The term “Abrahamic” implies more than just a religion that is monotheistic
-One get’s to Abraham and God through Isaac, not through Ishmael. One get’s to the man Abraham through Isaac or Ishmael

How do you come to such conclusions oldcatholicguy?



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[rinnie]

I’d personally be a jew.they share(at least a part) a holy book with us

I guess whatever religion God led me to be.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

How do you come to such conclusions oldcatholicguy?



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-Because no one seriously claims the pagan religious beliefs of ancient Egyptians was at one time an Abrahamic faith because it was monotheistic (under Akhenaten).
-Because there is no support within Jewish or Christian theology for the idea that the Covenant would be fulfilled through Ishmael’s line.

 

[Servant19]

-Because no one seriously claims the pagan religious beliefs of ancient Egyptians was at one time an Abrahamic faith because it was monotheistic (under Akhenaten).
-Because there is no support within Jewish or Christian theology for the idea that the Covenant would be fulfilled through Ishmael’s line.

Either way, a non-idol worshipping monotheistic deity came from Abraham.

And yes, the salvation of my soul came through Isaaac.

The salvation of humanity as a whole, and it’s collective unification, came from Ishmael.

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[oldcatholicguy]

Either way, a non-idol worshipping monotheistic deity came from Abraham.
You mean that God revealed to Abraham that He was the only God, not that Abraham created the concept of a monotheistic deity. And this still doesn’t address the idea that monotheism is the criteria by which one can label a faith Abrahamic.

And yes, the salvation of my soul came through Isaaac.

The salvation of humanity as a whole, and it’s collective unification, came from Ishmael.
Which would, I believe, be your faith’s teachings, not the teachings of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.

 

[Tom_Baum]

are you assuming mary & jesus didn’t exist? because in that small regard islam is a step ahead of judaeaism in at least recognizing that they (mary & jesus) are worthy of high praise

in the jewish religion (which i respect and and appreciate highly) jesus and mary are nobody but dirt poor losers

a single mom and an executed criminal

in islam they are all-stars jesus is the 2nd highest prophet

AND I MEAN NO DISRESPECT

I could be wrong but I do not believe that Mary and Jesus are considered “dirt poor losers” and “a single mom and an executed criminal” in Judaism.

I think that they were pretty much not considered at all in Judaism and, if considered at all, Mary would not have been considered a “single mom” since she was married to Joseph and Jesus probably would not have been considered “an executed criminal” but an executed blasphemer.

As far as, “in islam they are all-stars jesus is the 2nd highest prophet”.

Since Jesus is considered God-Incarnate in Christianity and Christianity would not exist without Jesus being God-Incarnate, the fact that Jesus is considered a prophet and not God-Incarnate but merely a man, even “the 2nd highest prophet”, only means that Islam’s take on Jesus is to call Christianity a lie.

So would you still consider islam to be “a step ahead of judaeaism” or a step in the direction of condemning both Christianity and Judaism?

 

[Vanny]

Jewish. I hope. The Hebrew people have the true God, and I assume if Christianity did not yet exist, we’d be still waiting for the Messiah. However, in reality, as a Gentile,I suppose I would probably still be worshiping Thor or some pagan god of my Scandanavian ancestors, unless the Jews had done a massive worldwide evangelization program by the 21st century.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Jewish. I hope. The Hebrew people have the true God, and I assume if Christianity did not yet exist, we’d be still waiting for the Messiah. However, in reality, as a Gentile,I suppose I would probably still be worshiping Thor or some pagan god of my Scandanavian ancestors, unless the Jews had done a massive worldwide evangelization program by the 21st century.

As pointed out several times on this thread, there’s a poor chance of that happening. Ancient Judaism didn’t invest as much stock in proselytizing as Christianity.

Besides, what’s with all this aversion to pre-Christian paganism? False gods aside, the mythical and literary aspects are no less impressive. Why, even Catholic monks in Europe had taken pains to preserve them. For all we know, they could’ve realized how subpar the Christian narrative was (historical accuracy and religious truth aside) in comparison to tales of mighty gods, demi-god heroes, dragons, fairies, dwarves etc.

Sadly, the friars that sought to evangelize my precolonial land weren’t so bright (or maybe they just found themselves cowed by the bullish nationalism of the conquistadors that brought them).

 

[oldcatholicguy]

As pointed out several times on this thread, there’s a poor chance of that happening. Ancient Judaism didn’t invest as much stock in proselytizing as Christianity.

Besides, what’s with all this aversion to pre-Christian paganism? False gods aside, the mythical and literary aspects are no less impressive. Why, even Catholic monks in Europe had taken pains to preserve them. For all we know, they could’ve realized how subpar the Christian narrative was (historical accuracy and religious truth aside) in comparison to tales of mighty gods, demi-god heroes, dragons, fairies, dwarves etc.

Sadly, the friars that sought to evangelize my precolonial land weren’t so bright (or maybe they just found themselves cowed by the bullish nationalism of the conquistadors that brought them).

Or those monks and friars weren’t interested since it wasn’t their culture. The monks in Europe that took pains to preserve their culture’s stories and myths did so because it was their culture and they grew up hearing those stories and myths. Not everything can actually be pinned under the title of Cultural Imperialism.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Or those monks and friars weren’t interested since it wasn’t their culture. The monks in Europe that took pains to preserve their culture’s stories and myths did so because it was their culture and they grew up hearing those stories and myths. Not everything can actually be pinned under the title of Cultural Imperialism.

While that may also be true, our country has a history of the same imperialism increasing the difficulty for locals to enter the priesthood or other similar vocations. I remember so many references to this in my college history text book (History of the Filipino People).

Adding to the irony is that many of my Jesuit educators were equally firm advocates for indigenous peoples. Kudos to the missionaries of pagan Europe for doing something their Christian descendants somehow had difficulty emulating.

 

[gnosisofthomas]

Well if Christianity never existed, most of us would probably follow a Pagan religion. But assuming that Christianity just stopped existing, and/or that something else had led to the extinction of Pagan religions so that Neo-Paganism still arose in modern times, I’d probably be Wiccan or some other form of Neo-Pagan.

(I’d also say either Manichaean or Baha’i, but without Christianity, who knows if either one of those would have ever existed.)

 

[Servant19]

Well if Christianity never existed, most of us would probably follow a Pagan religion. But assuming that Christianity just stopped existing, and/or that something else had led to the extinction of Pagan religions so that Neo-Paganism still arose in modern times, I’d probably be Wiccan or some other form of Neo-Pagan.

(I’d also say either Manichaean or Baha’i, but without Christianity, who knows if either one of those would have ever existed.)

I think its fair to say that all religions relied on the existence of previous religions to exist.

Had Judaism not existed, Christianity would not have a foundation.

Of course Judaism had its foundation in Abraham, and had he not existed, Judaism would not have existed either.

It’s interesting that we, as a human race have a fine ability of acknowledging what “came before”, but often struggle with the things that came after, which is testified by the sufferings of all the Founders of the major global religions. Each one of us are the persecutors of a Jesus and a Moses and a Muhammad and a Baha’u’llah.



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[dolphinlove]

We dont struggle with what ‘came after’. Its states clearly in the bible that John the Baptist is the last prophet and any other prophets after this are false.

The JS, Muhammads etc are all false to Christians.

 

[Servant19]

We dont struggle with what ‘came after’. Its states clearly in the bible that John the Baptist is the last prophet and any other prophets after this are false.

The JS, Muhammads etc are all false to Christians.

2000 years have past and we still have a Jewish nation. I think the struggle is well and truly alive

The Jews didn’t persecute Jesus?
The Muslims didn’t persecute the Bab and Baha’u’llah?

There are numerous historical examples of an inability to accept what “came after”

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[Servant19]

We dont struggle with what ‘came after’. Its states clearly in the bible that John the Baptist is the last prophet and any other prophets after this are false.

The JS, Muhammads etc are all false to Christians.

You can try and convince the Jews that Jesus will prove that He was the Messiah, and nation shall not lift up sword against nation, on His “second coming”…somehow, at the moment, I don’t feel they are convinced, and He is as much false to Jews as Muhammad is to the Christians.

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[Matthew_Light]

Its states clearly in the bible that John the Baptist is the last prophet and any other prophets after this are false.

So, why is the book of Revelation in the Bible then?

 

[kozlosap]

Buddhist. Peaceful and accepting; however, I am positive that the Gospels would find their way into this world somehow!