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siamus2k13
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To answer the original question, I honestly don’t know what I’d be.
I probably wouldn’t pick any.
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I probably wouldn’t pick any.
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Lets pretend Christianity doesnt exist:what religion would u be
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siamus2k13
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To answer the original question, I honestly don’t know what I’d be.
I probably wouldn’t pick any.
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Ever read Lord of the Flies?
I probably wouldn’t pick any.
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Ever read Lord of the Flies?
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Matthew_Light
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Well, again, was John of Patmos who wrote the Book of Revelation a false prophet, a true prophet, or somehow not a prophet?
I don’t see any other possibilities here.
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SteveVH
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Not sure what you mean by this. How would the rosary and consecrations to Mary supersede or replace the revelation of Jesus? I’m sure I am misunderstanding you. Maybe you could explain.
Thanks.
Steve
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rcwitness
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You did forget
improve upon from your original statement. Which I would refer to the Rosary and Consecrations to her as last weapons against the devil delivered to us through apparitions.And lets just say that I dont exactly buy into the apparitions supposedly of Mary, and the devotions which came from them. I try to tread lightly here, so understand Im not accusing them of being false, but that I certainly question them and basically for the reasons you mentioned in the post I quoted (among some other reasons). A big reason is what I consider the focus on superstition through sacramentals without a balance of a relationship with His Holy Spirit.
Im considering starting a thread (a positive one) in order to try to come to better terms with the apparitions and devotions attributed to Mary. And you know Ive touched on some of these issues in the past.
So, without crashing this thread with those jumping on me for questioning Apparitions and consecrations to Mary, I will be happy to take the concerns to relative threads.
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SteveVH
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Matthew, I think you are speaking of something entirely different when you speak of a prophet as opposed to our sense of the word. Yes, John was a prophet subsequent to when Jesus walked this earth. There is no doubt about that. Can we agree that a prophet is simply one who brings messages from God to the people? The Book of Revelation was a vision given to John which is centered entirely on Jesus, the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last.
God speaks to us through his prophets. In that sense of what it means to be a prophet, I can certainly call Pope Francis a prophet and the magisterium a prophetic body as we believe the voice of the Church is the voice of Christ - God speaks to us through his Church therefore the Church is prophetic in nature.
The issue is the revelation being proffered by one who would claim to be a prophet. Since we believe that Jesus Christ is God’s only Word (he has no other), he has spoken everything he intends to speak to us in Jesus. Any prophecy, therefore, must point us to or bring us back to Jesus (as does the Book of Revelation) rather than some future person with the expectation of receiving revelation which would surpass or replace the final revelation of God to man found in Jesus alone. This automatically rules out the consideration of one such as Muhammad as being a prophet as he contradicts the faith given once to the Church by the Apostles who received it from Jesus himself.
Peace.
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dolphinlove
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I really dont know what your talking about… did you know read Steve’s statements. its already been explained to you.
There is no REAL prophet after John the baptist…
Now start a new thread instead of messing this one up about this, and also add did Jesus die on the cross or not since you combine both religions… Still not seen a resonable bahai response on this
Christians - Jesus died on the cross to save us
Islam - Jesus did not die on the cross be apparently he lied about it and someone else died on the cross…
as one of our less popular polies in australia from ipswich once said… please explain
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SteveVH
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Mary always points us to her Son, therefore there is no new revelation delivered to us through her apparitions. She is always trying to bring us back to Jesus. Teaching us how to pray better is not a new revelation.
I think that would be a very interesting and important thread and I hope you do start it.And lets just say that I dont exactly buy into the apparitions supposedly of Mary, and the devotions which came from them. I try to tread lightly here, so understand Im not accusing them of being false, but that I certainly question them and basically for the reasons you mentioned in the post I quoted (among some other reasons). A big reason is what I consider the focus on superstition through sacramentals without a balance of a relationship with His Holy Spirit.
Im considering starting a thread (a positive one) in order to try to come to better terms with the apparitions and devotions attributed to Mary. And you know Ive touched on some of these issues in the past.
So, without crashing this thread with those jumping on me for questioning Apparitions and consecrations to Mary, I will be happy to take the concerns to relative threads.
Peace.
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Servant19
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When starting that thread we may as well add:
Judaism - Moses was the greatest Prophet that has ever lived
Christians - Moses was NOT the greatest Prophet in history.
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adamhovey1988
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Jewish, because I’d be waiting for the Jewish messiah.
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SteveVH
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Why would you add this? No Christian has a problem with Moses being a true prophet. He has said nothing that contradicts Christianity. Muhammad, on the other hand, completely contradicts Christianity which is why the question was asked: How can you believe both the Quran and the Bible when they objectively contradict each other? Jesus was either crucified or he was not. He either rose bodily from the grave or he did not. He is either God’s final revelation or he is not. There is no grey area here. If one is true then the other cannot be. Anyone with a rational mind can see this.
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Indigo_Cardinal
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Many many moons ago, I saw a movie called “The Judas Project”, which was basically setting Jesus (called “Jesse”) and the apostles in 20th century America. I’m uncertain if the U.S. Government depicted in the movie was meant to represent Rome or the Pharisees or some mix of both. It was interesting seeing the spirits of the dead ascending to heaven after Jesse was killed–one was clearly meant to be Confederate General Robert E. Lee, which got my brain thinking to how likely was it the U.S. would have existed in the same form and had the same history, given that a number of European settlers colonized the continent in the name of religious freedom (practicing a form of Christianity that wasn’t the state religion.)
(I really wouldn’t recommend watching this movie. It was an interesting concept, but the acting/script left a lot to be desired.)
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Izdaari
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Unlike many others here, if Jesus had not come, I would not be Jewish. It was believing in the life, ministry, teachings, death and resurrection of Jesus that made me Christian, and prior to that, Judaism had little attraction for me. Instead, I would probably be what I became after rejecting the arguments for atheism: Taoist (of the philosophical, not religious sort) with a little Zen and Vedanta mixed in. It was from that starting point that the universe began to look Jesus-shaped to me.
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dolphinlove
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I ask you a logical question and your retort is this?
Now please stop derailing this thread and start a new one if you wish to discuss this topic
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Matthew_Light
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I found Steve’s statements perfectly understandable and logical from a Catholic. Your statements I still don’t understand, from a Catholic. Starting here:
Why is John the Baptist a “REAL prophet” and John of Patmos (presumably!) a non-REAL prophet?
I can’t imagine the Magesterium would ever call John of Patmos a non-real prophet. He wrote a prophetic book of the New Testament after all. The final book and a very important one for understanding the Return of Christ.
I’m not trying to mess up this thread. I just felt that your introducing the idea into this thread - that all prophets after John the Baptist are false, and the Bible tell us so - was questionable, and I explained why.
I find Steve’s statements on this matter make perfect sense from a Catholic perspective. And I appreciate his (name removed by moderator)ut. I don’t see what you are saying as what Steve is saying. Steve says John of Patmos is a prophet, testifying of Jesus - you say he is not a REAL prophet.That’s why I am still confused. I think Steve and I both agree - John of Patmos is a real, genuine, bona-fide prophet of God after Jesus, who told us more about the Parousia.
BTW, there are in fact fringe Christians who reject John of Patmos as being a false prophet, and Revelation a false testimony.:
revelation-101.org/
Yes, He was crucified and His body slain upon the cross.
If you want to hear how Baha’is reconcile the Bible and Qur’an about this, start a new thread about it and I’ll respond. This thread isn’t about the Baha’i Faith and I don’t want it to turn into one.
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Hrvatski
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Jewish would be my choice. I would want to serve the one God.
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LoveMorrissey
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What an awful thought! I’d probably be a Muslim although I don’t believe there was another prophet after Jesus…
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rcwitness
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Acts 13:1(RSVCE)
13 Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers, Barnabas, Symeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyre′ne, Man′a-en a member of the court of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
There are the old covenant prophets and there were aparently new covenant prophets.
13 Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers, Barnabas, Symeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyre′ne, Man′a-en a member of the court of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
There are the old covenant prophets and there were aparently new covenant prophets.
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Tom_Baum
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Since islam seems to be a repudiation of Jesus being God-Incarnate, among other things, do you think that there would be islam, without there first being Christianity?
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