Let's put the shoe on the other foot

[Rolltide]

I agree. I respect and love them enough to tell them that Jesus is the only way to the Father. And you are right, my actions and the way I live my life speaks much louder than my words. Mother Teresa is an excellent example for us to follow.

And I agree that Pro-universal needs our prayers. If he truly was Catholic and is leaving to become Muslim, his very soul is at stake.

Yay, something we can agree on!

 

[Eden]

I’d say the church is always worse for losing a member.

The Church isn’t losing a member, a member has chosen to remove himself from the Church. I don’t see that as a loss to the Church. I see it as the loss of a soul to Christ. The devil never ceases in his attempts to lead people from the Church and he certainly has had some successes.

Obviously this person with the screenname “pro_universal” feels at home here in some capacity despite his rejection of Christ’s Church since he has stayed here a considerable time longer than his announcement that he was leaving. That is something to consider and include in your prayers.

 

[stillsmallvoice]

Hi all!

Cestusdei (Hi Father! Long time no talk! When are you coming back to my part of the world? ) is, as usuual, correct. Islamic media (to say nothing of school textbooks) in many Muslim countries) throughout the Middle East (and in the West) regularly spews forth the most infantile anti-Christian & anti-Jewish garbage. We Jews & Christians ignore it as beneath contempt & beneath our notice.

Spot check. Martin Scorses is hardly living in fear of his life from enraged extremist Catholics for The Last Temptation of Christ. But Salman Rushdie is still living underground & folks like Irshad Manji (muslim-refusenik.com/) go around under death threat. Theo Van Gogh (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director was murdered. Ayaan Hirst Ali (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsi_Ali) had to flee to the USA. The secular media & secular authors here print whatever they like about the Tanakh (David & Jonathan were gay; David was a satyr who couldn’t keep it in his pants; these are some of the tamer ones) and orthodox Judaism and most of us in the orthodox community could not possibly care less. None of these authors/writers are on the lam from orthodox Jewish extremists.

Do I think that all Muslims are like thone who murdered Theo Van Gogh? No, of course not. Anyone who says that they are is a bigot. However, moderate Muslims have got to stand up and take their faith back from the extremists who are perverting it and drowning it in a sea of xenophobia and violence.

Be well!

ssv

 

[pro_universal]

Very nice. When he returns to the Church, we’ll kill the fatted calf. But meanwhile, he’ll be slopping the hogs. I think it’s called “invincible ignorance.”

So now non Catholics are hogs?

Interesting choice of language around here. It seems that most Catholics aren’t actually buying what the Church is selling, despite the best efforts of people like Rolltide to present an orthodox perspective.

Like I said, I welcome these diatribes…my soul rests that much more comfortably every time I see “Catholics” making a mockery of that “love your enemy, turn the other cheek” ethic. It’s further evidence that despite having a pretty good idea, the Church simply is not capable of getting people to really believe it.

 

[pro_universal]

The Church isn’t losing a member, a member has chosen to remove himself from the Church. I don’t see that as a loss to the Church. I see it as the loss of a soul to Christ. The devil never ceases in his attempts to lead people from the Church and he certainly has had some successes.

Obviously this person with the screenname “pro_universal” feels at home here in some capacity despite his rejection of Christ’s Church since he has stayed here a considerable time longer than his announcement that he was leaving. That is something to consider and include in your prayers.

Case in point of self-serving reasoning that pervades the rank and file of the Church today. Let me review the unorthodox views in service of personal bias:

-Apparently this poster doesn’t believe that the Church is the body of Christ, since the Jesus losing a soul isn’t the same as the Church losing a member.

 

[Shoshana]

Did he visit your parish or something (Fr. Corapi)? I want to invite him to mine! Or at least a parish nearby.

Fr Corapi was in Rochester this past week-end…his last there. But he will be speaking in Buffalo in June. What a blessing!

 

[exoflare]

Yeah, we get it, Pro. People can say bad things about the Church all day, and judge it’s teaching by selecting the actions of certain members, and that’s perfectly alright. If someone criticizes Islam in any way, then HOW DARE THEY?!

 

[Georgess]

How about each of us putting on the full armour of God - ’ for we are not fighting against flesh and blood .’

the feet shod in readiness for the gospel of peace …to call down God’s mercy , to be rid of thoughts of malice from all hearts …

Was reading remarks of Fr. Amorth,the exorcist at Rome - that many of the nazis were probably possessed by the evil one …

‘Do not let the sun set on your anger and give the devil a foothold …’

Was it years of resenting the jews …anger left over from WW 1 and so on that brought on something worse …

and for breaking The Lord’s covenant with the jews '- I bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you …

We can shudder at what the judgements could be on those who touch The Lord’s anointed and plead that they be converted …

We who are the holy nation, who have the power and responsibility to intercede for those who may not be able to do so for themselves …

After the last 8/11 train bombings in India , God poured out the grace of forgiveness and peace …have not heard of calls for vengeance or acts of terror in retaliation …and this even from mostly whom we could call pagans - even there have heard how through preachings of Apostles St. Thomas and St. Barthelemew , one time there might have been a sizable number of Chritstians in all of India .

‘My mercy is to a thousand generations’ …who might have been the ancestors of many of these people of Islam …? Abraham … may be many Chritians who might have been converted forcibly …

May The Holy Spirit be poured into all our hearts , that we realise who we are … beloved children of The Father …

May The Bl. Mother help us all and Pope Benedict XV1 - to bring victory over violence , in all its forms - that freed from sin, true peace reigns !

 

[exoflare]

Hey that was pretty good.

 

[Booklover]

I already took your advice. I left the Church some time ago, and I certainly will not be returning. I have stated so on this board.

I did some thinking between the last time we talked and now, and you were right. I just can’t honestly say I think the Catholic Church possesses the truth.

Thank you for helping me to see what I couldn’t before. I had the blinders on about being Catholic, when in reality, my heart was telling me that the religion did not ring true. Thanks to you, and again to cestus, for helping me to think about it.

Your attitude is hypocritical! How many times have we been told not to judge Islam by the actions of its followers, and now because a few of us dare to criticize the “cult of death”, you judge the Catholic Church by that! Talk about double standards!

Vickie

 

[maryj]

How about each of us putting on the full armour of God - ’ for we are not fighting against flesh and blood .’

the feet shod in readiness for the gospel of peace …to call down God’s mercy , to be rid of thoughts of malice from all hearts …

Was reading remarks of Fr. Amorth,the exorcist at Rome - that many of the nazis were probably possessed by the evil one …

‘Do not let the sun set on your anger and give the devil a foothold …’

Was it years of resenting the jews …anger left over from WW 1 and so on that brought on something worse …

and for breaking The Lord’s covenant with the jews '- I bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you …

We can shudder at what the judgements could be on those who touch The Lord’s anointed and plead that they be converted …

We who are the holy nation, who have the power and responsibility to intercede for those who may not be able to do so for themselves …

After the last 8/11 train bombings in India , God poured out the grace of forgiveness and peace …have not heard of calls for vengeance or acts of terror in retaliation …and this even from mostly whom we could call pagans - even there have heard how through preachings of Apostles St. Thomas and St. Barthelemew , one time there might have been a sizable number of Chritstians in all of India .

‘My mercy is to a thousand generations’ …who might have been the ancestors of many of these people of Islam …? Abraham … may be many Chritians who might have been converted forcibly …

May The Holy Spirit be poured into all our hearts , that we realise who we are … beloved children of The Father …

May The Bl. Mother help us all and Pope Benedict XV1 - to bring victory over violence , in all its forms - that freed from sin, true peace reigns !

very insightful, I think that you are correct. I believe that a lot of this “evil” has been brought on by our own sins. One must only read the Old Testament to see that this is what has always been the case. We as christians do not fight Islam, we fight something much, much worse than that, that being evil.But through prayer, fasting, and penance “We” as Christians can defeat this evil. It’s as simple as that, It’s a promise given to us by our Lord . And God don’t break His promises. We must free ourselves of sin for those who don’t know any better. Isn’t that one way we can “turn the other cheek”?

 

[Lance]

If you take one shoe off and put it on the other foot, you’ll notice it doesn’t fit and you can’t walk properly with it.

That’s about as accurate a description of the opening post as I can give.

Are you suggesting that it is Ok for Muslims to riot, burn churches and murder nuns but not Ok for Catholics to retaliate? There may be good Muslims but Islam is a vile, violent religion.

 

[cestusdei]

Here is a statement from the Muslim Shura Council:

“We will break up the cross, spill the liquor, impose the head tax, then the only thing acceptable is conversion to Islam or killed by the sword.”

Gee, where are all the protests?

 

[pro_universal]

Your attitude is hypocritical! How many times have we been told not to judge Islam by the actions of its followers, and now because a few of us dare to criticize the “cult of death”, you judge the Catholic Church by that! Talk about double standards!

Vickie

Do you consider yourself a representative of the Church?

If you do, what right do you have to call me on taking you at your word?

I know cestusdei is a representative of the Church…he’s a priest. I don’t feel even a twitch of unfairness judging the whole Church based a large sample of more knowledgeable members.

 

[pro_universal]

Are you suggesting that it is Ok for Muslims to riot, burn churches and murder nuns but not Ok for Catholics to retaliate? There may be good Muslims but Islam is a vile, violent religion.

How on earth would you even hint at such a suggestion from what I’ve written here?

Now I understand why you all think Islam is so bad. You are just itching to see bad ideas in other people. I am at a loss to explain attempts at casting my posts here as “justifying murdering nuns” any other way.

 

[cestusdei]

pro, yet you won’t judge Islam by a sampling of the vast numbers who advocate violence and are committing it right this instant. That is hypocritical. Judge them by the same standard. I for one have never rioted or assaulted anyone in my life. I have done nothing to any Muslim. Yet they have targeted me for death and you to unless you convert.

And stop your silly attempts to blame your apostasy on me. You were on your way out long before you ever met me. Take responsibility for your own choices.

 

[cestusdei]

Here is a further statement from the Muslim Shura Council:

“Allah will help Muslims conquer Rome…May Allah enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendents the bounty of the mujahadin.”

The religion of peace indeed.

 

[pro_universal]

pro, yet you won’t judge Islam by a sampling of the vast numbers who advocate violence and are committing it right this instant. That is hypocritical. Judge them by the same standard. I for one have never rioted or assaulted anyone in my life. I have done nothing to any Muslim. Yet they have targeted me for death and you to unless you convert.

And stop your silly attempts to blame your apostasy on me. You were on your way out long before you ever met me. Take responsibility for your own choices.

Wrong. I am looking at why these people are getting violent. It’s odd…everyone is happy to pick snippets of their holy book off the internet. But if it gets mentioned that they have been tortured, abused, and murdered by western puppets for about 50 years now, that’s just “liberal excuse making” or otherwise disregarded.

Sure, they are angry and violent. It is not because of their religion; it’s because of our support for their oppression.

As for being on my way out, yes, I was, clearly. I was thanking you, not blaming you, for helping me to see that I was on my way out of Catholicism as a religion. Your comments on nuclear weapons as a priest especially had me pause to think: “Can a person who literally handle’s God’s blood and flesh every week seriously believe that nuking millions of people is okay?”

No, I concluded. Of course, I already had problems rationally with the religion, and an appreciation for the murderous history of Christianity in government. So again…I don’t blame you for apostasy, nor do I attribute my becoming closer to the truth to you. What I did, and what I will do again, is to thank you wholeheartedly for helping me to see the light.

 

[Saint_Michael]

Pro_Universal,

There’s something to be said about leaving with dignity. Slamming us and blaiming others for your decision to leave is childish. It’s your desicion, and yours alone. Islam will have just as many hypocrictes, so will EV Churches. If you’re looking for a place with great people, you probably won’t find it, people are people.

It’s clear from everything I’ve read by you, that you condemn any judgment on Islam itself no matter the tactics used. Yet you can judge the intent of Catholics worldwide by a message board. Also you see no contradiction in your reasoning.

If you want to go then go, but have a little dignity on your way out. Take personal responsibility, and just go prayerfully and quietly.

 

[cestusdei]

It’s the old, “Father was mean to me so I’m leaving” get over it and be a man. They aren’t rioting because of us. They have been killing Christians long before the USA existed. Since Muhammeds time as the Pope pointed out. They are violent and angry when anyone says anything they don’t like or agree with. My words have never led to riots, mayhem, or violence. I simply said that if they knew that Mecca was in danger they would back off on nuking New York. But you take no offense when Islamic leaders actually call for death and deliver it. Instead you justify it. Frankly I doubt you are or ever were a Catholic. I believe once again that you are a Muslim infiltrator who has lied from the beginning, which your religion justifies. Either that or you are willfully blind to the religion which is right this very instant committing murder on innocents and believes that is an offering to Allah.

Now you are running about moaning about how you are leaving Catholicism. Well heck, I was going to convert to Islam and your example and that of the Muslims persuaded me not to. Did I mention that before? Maybe I will repeat it 100 times so everyone will pay attention to it.