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adamhovey1988
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It’s my understanding, that in Mormonism, that even spirit is considered material. Now, I may be wrong, I have been before, but I think with that understanding, it would be rather easy to become an atheist.
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Lemuel
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Mormons teach that everything is matter. The Spirit is matter. There is no such thing as immaterial matter.
From their D&C:
7 There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes;
8 We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter.
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Catholic-Mormon
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I did not say I was content. I have many things God wants me to do. I love the catechism I have not read a single word I disagree with so far. I want to be baptized in the church that really believes that. I have not found that branch of the Catholic Church. The first rejected me three times because I was trying to be true to God and become one with Him. Until I am accepted based on who I am and what God is telling me to do I am not interested in joining that branch of any church. I should not be required to bow down to any man or woman to do God’s will or to receive of His blessing. I bow only to God and that is out of reverence to Him not out of some kind of demand. God the father demands no such thing.
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RebeccaJ
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All I said one day is, I don’t have to believe any of this crap. Done. One of the happiest days of my life.
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RebeccaJ
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Sorry, all I hear you say is that all the desires of your heart are God’s, as though there is no desire coming from you that is just only yours.
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Lemuel
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My approach was a little different. Moroni says to read and pray with pure intent to learn if the Book of Mormon is “not true”. I did and I got my crystal clear answer! The walk-out was easy.
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RebeccaJ
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It took me a couple of decades to realize my atheism was singularly, a disbelief in the Mormon god. The final realization came from the book Catch 22, of all places.RebeccaJ:
My approach was a little different. Moroni says to read and pray with pure intent to learn if the Book of Mormon is “not true”. I did and I got my crystal clear answer! The walk-out was easy.
“And don’t tell me God works in mysterious ways,” Yossarian continued. “There’s nothing so mysterious about it. He’s not working at all. He’s playing. Or else he’s forgotten all about us. That’s the kind of God you people talk about — a country bumpkin, a clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much reverence can you have for a Supreme Being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatalogical mind of His when He robbed old people of the power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?”
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“Stop it! Stop it!” Leiutenant Scheisskopf’s wife screamed suddenly, and began beating him ineffectually about the head with both fists. “Stop it!”
Yossarian ducked behind his arm for protection while she slammed away at him in feminine fury for a few seconds, and then he caught her determinedly by the wrists and forced her gently back down on the bed.
“What the hell are you getting so upset about?” he asked her bewilderedly in a tone of contrite amusement. “I thought you didn’t believe in God.”
“I don’t,” she sobbed, bursting violently into tears. “But the God I don’t believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He’s not the mean and stupid God you make Him out to be.”
Yossarian laughed and turned her arms loose. “Let’s have a little more religious freedom between us,” he proposed obligingly. “You don’t believe in the God you want to, and I won’t believe in the God I want to. Is that a deal?”
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I find in conversations with atheists who were once LDS, we had this tendency to be singularly against a belief of God, as we had been taught about.
An acquaintance, who was Catholic, said to me that they believed God was love, and I thought, who in the heck believes that!? So, I started studying Catholicism on my own, for about a year, and then started going to Mass. it took another 6 months or so for me to realize, a miracle had occurred. I found faith.
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adamhovey1988
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I never actually finished reading Catch-22. I checked it out in high school, and didn’t read it. In fact, I had a book report, on a book that I was supposed to read, but never did, yet still got me an A on the book report. I think, from my conversations with atheists, is that many of them don’t really know the God Christians believe in, just a caricature. I have noticed, from talking to former Mormons, that many of them have been atheist at one point or another. Just an observation.
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gazelam
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The Bible plainly teaches that we are of the same species as God
Acts 17:29 Since therefore we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the divinity is like an image fashioned from gold, silver, or stone by human art and imagination.
The word “offspring” comes from the Greek word “genos” which mean “race, stock, or kin”. (See http://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/17-29.htm and http://biblehub.com/greek/1085.htm)
This definition of offspring is different from those who choose to follow Christ and therefore become children of God (Galatians 3:26 For through faith you are all children of God in Christ Jesus), or “born again” if you will.
I hope this helps…
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Catholic-Mormon
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I love this. I am so happy you found God in the Catholic Church. For he is there.
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Catholic-Mormon
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This is where the LDS church failed. This was its’ mistake. The next president or oracles of the church was both Fredrick G Williams and Sidney Rigdon. They were set apart to preserve the true doctrine of the church. But the members of the church wanted a prophet not an oricle they saw Joseph Smith in the face of Brigham Young and followed him like Moses into the wilderness just like Israel of old. And the saints paid dearly for this mistake. They suffered under polygamy and hand carts and women rejected. They rejected the oracles of God. Are they ready to accept them now?
see D&C 90 and 124:39 and Official declaration #1 look for the term oracles in the D&C and other place in scriptures.
see D&C 90 and 124:39 and Official declaration #1 look for the term oracles in the D&C and other place in scriptures.
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Catholic-Mormon
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Just a little side note with that post The Catholic Church that set up this forum just made me a member. Thank you Catholic Church.
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RebeccaJ
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In regards to this, it is equivocation. I was LDS in and before 1978. Then, there was no differentiation between doctrine and practice. This differentiation now, doesn’t really exist either. Show me a Mormon who believes anything they are taught or practice today is not coming straight from God, via God’s own Prophet, Thomas Monson.
I was taught in every Mormon church classroom setting that those of African decent were cursed and the color of their skin was a sign of their curse. There was associated teaching, doctrines, to the practice. No one was taught then that it was a practice with no doctrine behind it. You’re being fed a load of crap when the Mormon leaders say today, there was no doctrine. Especially egregious because they all, every one of them, know for a fact the practice had LDS teachings behind it. They are lying to you.
And the book “Mormon Doctrine”…I worked at Deseret Book many years ago. They by and large operate as any retail business does. If a book isn’t selling wel, they no longer sell it. There was an exception for a group of titles that the Apostle, who was over DB at the time insisted be sold regardless of sales figures. “Mormon Doctrine” was one of those titles. That apostle was Thomas Monson. Its publication was entirely at the direction of the First Presidency and Twelve. This equivocation, that it wasn’t actually teaching Mormon Doctrine, is just another lie. There is no Mormon who is taught that the First Presidency and the Twelve support Church directed publications as non-doctrinal. It was published and sold at the direction of the same Mormon indivudals who are now saying to you it was never doctrine. Were they wrong then or are they wrong now?
I’m not saying you are are a liar. You are repeating lies that have been told to you, as the same lies have been repeated on this forum more than once. It is one of the most cunning things about the LDS Church, its ability to get its members to repeat its lies.
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RebeccaJ
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:+1:t3:
It is a normal function of the board. After 25 posts it used to happen automatically. Looks like the mods are still getting that functionality worked out or they changed the criteria for being a member.
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Catholic-Mormon
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That is because those who made the forum know who I am. Do you?
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RebeccaJ
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LOL no. Do tell.
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Apache75
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It seems to me like you are still holding on to some of the LDS beliefs, but that’s okay. Will we become gods? No. If we did, what reason do we have to pray to God or believe in him if we are to become like him. If you mean we are sinless, then yes, we can become like God, but not God himself. Yes, there are many houses in Gods Kingdom, but as far as different levels of Heaven, no. What kind of cruel god would separate loved ones? If you believe Jesus managed His affairs and didn’t leave anything out, why are you LDS? Jesus does not lie or change His mind according to what some churches think. I think you are afraid to give up your LDS beliefs in case you don’t leave your church. Go back to the RCIA director and see what can be done about helping you on your journey. As Rebecca stated, its not Gods Will for you to not enter His church, but rather yours. Leave your LDS beliefs at the door and open up your heart and mind to what they are saying. Take it in and ask God to help guide you. There is a reason you are researching the Catholic faith. This is just a test to see if you really want it!
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Theo520
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Theosis is Catholic theology, though not understood by most laymen.
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RebeccaJ
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What Mormonism teaches is not Theosis.Apache75:
Theosis is Catholic theology, though not understood by most laymen.
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adamhovey1988
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I’ve noticed that Mormons have a habit of quoting early church fathers, if they believe that it supports their position, and then they use those quotes to mean something different than the early Church fathers actually mean. Reminds me of the guy that was on The Colbert Report, the only time I have ever seen Stephen Colbert out of character on that show, when a guy said that Augustine said the Eucharist wasn’t really Jesus’s body and blood. Which, not only did Augustine not say, but there’s nothing in his writings that even implies that. And Colbert, for his Part actually defended the Church’s teaching on the Eucharist, breaking character. Now, you don’t have to like Stephen Colbert, that’s not the point, the point is that if I take quotes in isolation, I can make them mean anything I want. Some people do this with Bible verses, especially with verses that come from Romans. And so, some Mormons do the same with the early Church fathers.
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