Let's talk about Mormonism

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I recommend to Catholics Deification and Grace by Daniel Keating.
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And by that recommendation you would be implying that the early Christians believed that god was once a man and man can become god. And you would be implying that the first Christians believed in eternal progression as Mormons believe. Ref: LDS (dot) Org

Or would we find beliefs much, much, closer to God being the eternal uncreated creator. And man never to be God, because he is a being created by God, as Christians believe.
 
I was just reading on CARM that Jesus sacrifice failed to forgive our sins and that salvation is only through Joseph Smith.

Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).

There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).

Someone here denyed this but here it is:

God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218; vol. 8, p. 115). This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always ‘officially’ taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it.

So he has magnified himself higher that Jesus - Just Like Mohamed does in the Koran.

This religion is all about Joseph Smith and how great he is. Just like Mohamed in the Koran.
 
BT3241 said:
I was just reading on CARM that Jesus sacrifice failed to forgive our sins and that salvation is only through Joseph Smith.
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This only thing you’ll find at CARM is what anti-Mormons (and anti-Catholics) believe. If you want to go learn what Mormons believe you need to search Mormon sources. Mormons do not believe salvation comes through Joseph Smith.

CARM also says “Roman Catholics use the ambiguity of the term to elevate Mary to a place she should not be and in so doing–promote their idolatry.” Do you believe CARM here also?
BT3241 said:
Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).
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LDS Jesus’ sacrifice cleanses us from all pardonable sins through proper repentance.
BT3241 said:
There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).
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A stopped clock is right twice a day. CARM got this one right. One cannot accept Christ and reject the servants that He calls to minister in His name.
BT3241 said:
Someone here denied this but here it is:God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218; vol. 8, p. 115). This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always ‘officially’ taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it.
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Here’s the quote straight from CARM (the stopped clock):

When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits

As you see the quote teaches that God the Father is the physical father of Jesus without any hint of sexual intercourse occurring.
BT3241 said:
So he has magnified himself higher that Jesus - Just Like Mohamed does in the Koran.
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So, he actually didn’t.

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BT3241 said:
This religion is all about Joseph Smith and how great he is. Just like Mohamed in the Koran.
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Here’s what knowledgeable Catholic scholar Stephan H. Webb says about Mormons and Christ:

In affirming the divinity of Jesus, Mormons are Christians who do not know where to stop. Thy answer the question of whether it is possible to say too much about Jesus with a resounding “No!”

Indeed, never has a religious movement combined so effortlessly the most extravagant assertions with the most level-headed and commonsensical tone. Mormon rhetoric is guided by the conviction that the only way to say enough about Christ is to say too much. As a result, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints puts Jesus Christ front and center in ways that would make many members of mainline Protestant denominations blush. Mormon theology is Christology unbound—extremism in defense of Christology that can appear eccentric only to those who think that understatement is a virtue. (Stephen H. Webb, Jesus Christ, Eternal God: Heavenly Flesh and the Metaphysics of Matter (Oxford University Press, 2012)

I hope this helps…
 
I stay out of this believe what you want - this whole Mormonism is just to freaky for me I could never believe - I’m done with this - I am not the one to argue this its always going to be hard to point out others errors - there are better people than me here to do this . One thing I can say you will not be able to convert any true catholic here you will fail miserably - i’m done no more comments
 
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BT3241 said:
I was just reading on CARM that Jesus sacrifice failed to forgive our sins and that salvation is only through Joseph Smith.
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Sort of . . . sort of not. Mormons believe that the Mormon Jesus forgives our sins, except in the case of major sins when both Jesus and the Mormon Church must forgive them for you to be forgiven. Salvation does not come through Joseph Smith, but he is the gate keeper and will be the one to stamp your passport to the Celestial Kingdom where God the Father reigns.
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Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery . . .
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I think that you are saying that there are unforgivable sins such as murder and serial adultery, but that would be a very untenable position for the Mormon church to take given the multitude of women that Joseph Smith had affairs with.
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There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).
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Correct
BT3241 said:
God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218; vol. 8, p. 115). This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always ‘officially’ taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it.
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That’s one of those things that the Mormons can’t decide on. While I was raised in the Church, I clearly remember being taught that God had physical sex with Mary, but she was considered a virgin because she knew no mortal man. Mormons may have backed off this position now in order to be politically correct as a manner of speaking. What they do believe is that while the process was natural, i.e., God inseminated Mary, how that was done is unknown. It could have been artificial insemination. The mechanics of the process are now considered to be unclear, contrary to what early church leaders taught.

That’s just part of the evolution of Mormonism. There was at least one Black general authority in the early church, but they changed their mind and stopped letting them hold the priesthood or attend the temple, because “darkies” were now the seed of Cain. Now, they act like they don’t know where that came from, as if they suddenly shed their bigotry. Negative revelation changed all of that. (Plus the fact that they were about to open a new temple in Brazil, where almost everyone has some darkie blood in them.)

The same with the translation of the Book of Mormon. First, it was JS translating the plates using the urim and thummim and then it was a rock in a hat with no plates even in the room.

The examples are almost endless. It’s no wonder you’re so confused. When you make up lies and cover them with more lies, pretty soon you have a hill that can no longer be hidden.
 
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Did anyone catch the LDS press conference with their new President Nelson and his two counselors? It was truly bizarre. Dodged every question, went off on unrelated tangents, etc. Came off as so out of touch with the current issues facing their church.
 
Not interested in their press conferences.

Edit: After seeing the press conference on another thread, I have to say it’s very revealing and sadly, confirms my suspicions and what I already knew about Mormons.
 
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I know that Mr Armstrong has no control over this, but I kept getting advertisements for mormon. org whilst reading it
 
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There should be a way to turn off the ads when that happens. I didn’t get them, thank God. I’d have complained to the website.
 
Not much he could do about them. This is why when I research Mormonism, I open a private page, because I don’t want my browser to save the history. Because when that happens, I get a bunch of advertisements for Mormonism.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
Not much he could do about them. This is why when I research Mormonism, I open a private page, because I don’t want my browser to save the history. Because when that happens, I get a bunch of advertisements for Mormonism.
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While Mr Armstrong may not be able to do anything about the ads, webmasters pay for them. So you need to go to the website owner and get the name of the webmaster (if the website owner didn’t create the site himself) and ask that an option to turn off the ads be installed if they can’t be eliminated.

You should eliminate your history every day anyway. Makes your computer run more smoothly.👍
 
Been mainly using my phone, computer is not working right. I know how to fix it, I just have to find my flash drive, because I have to save some files. Yeah, being a nerd is fun. I wouldn’t mind having a hard copy of the Book of Mormon, but I don’t want the Mormon church to have my address. I don’t want to open a PO Box either.
 
Sorry, I missed your and Lemuel’s replies.

Mormonism is unsettled by:
  1. Growing distrust of leaders. It isn’t any one historical or theological issue, it’s the fact that the Mormon hierarchy will act in its own interest and can’t be trusted to be forthright, and neither can its manuals and lesson materials.
  2. Political divisiveness. This isn’t just feminism or LGBTQ stuff; it goes deeper. Globally, people are increasingly finding hierarchies of all sorts unsatisfying, and especially hierarchies that aren’t great at listening. In the trenches, Mormonism is run by handbooks and “sustain your leader” rhetoric because local leaders are volunteers of varying abilities. This means that the hierarchy does many things by “divine fiat,” and has trouble incorporating ideas from the local level. Organized religion in general is being hit by this shift in worldview, but Mormons are particularly ill equipped for it.
  3. Increasing inactivity amongst millennials, and particularly amongst single men. This has something to do with points one and two, but is also complicated by the fact that Western men are checking out of most everything in increasing numbers.
  4. A stalled missionary program. The hierarchy has lowered the mission ages so that young people can go straight from the youth programs to the mission, and has pushed retirees to do more, but the convert numbers have gone flat. The mission program needs to be completely overhauled, and that will take some doing. The current model, that has 18 and 19 year-olds contacting people who can look up troubling issues in 2 minutes on Google, is not sustainable in the long run.
There are more, but these are what I had in mind when I made my comment. Thanks for asking.
 
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