Let's talk about Mormonism

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Someone who exercise priestcraft sets themselves up to be worshiped instead of God. True prophets should never point to themselves as the source of the light rather a tool like a candle stick that is holding it up for others to see. Mormon prophets have never set themselves up for worship or claimed they were the source of any light. The instead have tried to point people to God by setting a example of holding the light of Christ up.
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Hello Catholic -Mormon,
I’ll be responding to the boldened part of your response.
Here is the definition of Priestcraft: He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the
world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion. It doesn’t say that it involves the individual to be worshiped instead of God. In the two examples of priestcraft given in the BOM
“2 Nephi 10:5”: 5 But because of priestcrafts and iniquities, they at Jerusalem will stiffen their necks against him, that he be crucified.
Alma 1:12": 12 But Alma said unto him: Behold, this is the first time that priestcraft has been introduced among this people. And behold, thou art not only guilty of priestcraft, but hast endeavored to enforce it by the sword; and were priestcraft to be enforced among this people it would prove their entire destruction.
In neither of these two examples is there any indication that the individual set himself up to be worshiped.
If as a result of there good example people see them as a light I would agree. The definition of priestcrafts clearly condemns the preaching that an individual is a light.
 
I see the value in no new innovations but to be honest Catholics have initiated new ways of practicing their faith over time. Everything the Catholic Church does now is not what they used to do. They had no group bible studies outside of mass. They have continued to add lives of saints for people to study and learn from. To say that the Catholic Church has never changed is a little disingenuous.
 
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Hello Catholic -Mormon

Here is the definition of Priestcraft: He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the

world
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So let’s change the word worship to praise teach me what the difference is? Oh you are pointing to praise to the man yea I don’t like that song is that something Joseph had commissioned?
 
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Catholic-Mormon said:
I see the value in no new innovations but to be honest Catholics have initiated new ways of practicing their faith over time. Everything the Catholic Church does now is not what they used to do. They had no group bible studies outside of mass. They have continued to add lives of saints for people to study and learn from. To say that the Catholic Church has never changed is a little disingenuous.
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Doctrine doesn’t change. We view Jesus Christ as the fullness of God’s Word. This Revelation we call public revelation. All doctrines are teachings revealed by Jesus Christ. We can’t add to or change the teachings of Jesus. We do seek a deeper understanding.

We believe in private revelation, those kinds of revelations that guide people to Christ. But none of them are required by all the Church to be accepted. For example, the numerous Marian aparations are viewed as bringing people to Christ. None of us are required to accept them.

Practices can and do change. Practices aren’t doctrines. Spiritual practices, like Bible study, evolve and change.

The Communion of Saints is a doctrine. Individuals being recognized as Saints is not a change in doctrine, it is an expression of the doctrine. Individual devotion to Saints is a spiritual practice.
 
There have been plenty of LDS men molest children also, using the LDS organization to hide behind.
 
Yes so do we agree that adulterous relationships are bad. Helping other people and becoming one with them is good? Sexual sin is bad in all of its forms it takes the beautiful blessing of procreation and uses it to destroy people’s lives. It must be condemned in all its forms regardless of who does it. But if they repent then we must forgive. If someone dies before they repent we are to never forgive them?
 
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Yes, that is what sexual predators do. They hide among us all and use our trust for their evil ends.
 
Catholic-Mormon said:
Yes so do we agree that adulterous relationships are bad. Helping other people and becoming one with them is good? Sexual sin is bad in all of its forms it takes the beautiful blessing of procreation and uses it to destroy people’s lives. It must be condemned in all its forms regardless of who does it. But if they repent then we must forgive. If someone dies before they repent we are to never forgive them?
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Ah, we are called to forgive. There is no, “only if they repent”, for us. That’s a hard thing to do sometimes. God calls us to repent of our sins, to receive HIS forgiveness.

Forgiving someone doesn’t mean removing caution about them, and or not warning others about them. We are called to charity, not called to be doormats.
 
Or is it’s only God that can forgive and if so how do we get rid of our angry feel toward sin
 
Ditto. Forgiving someone does not mean allowing them to walk all over you.
 
I get that but how do we get rid of our angry feelings toward that sin if not to forgive or are we supposed to carry them with us forever as a caution Joseph smith and Brigham Young etc can no longer hurt me or anyone else unless they allow their memory to. The current day Mormon church does nothing on the way to continue to inflict polygamy on anyone any more why are we still supposed to point it out and continue to talk about it? If I keep being forced to look at it who really is harming me?
 
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Or is it’s only God that can forgive and if so how do we get rid of our angry feel toward sin
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Jesus commanded us to forgive our enemies.

By cultivating the opposite virtues, to the sins of wrath and pride, which are patience and humility. Of course, we don’t do this alone, we seek God’s help and guidance.
 
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I have made peace with it I have forgiven its everyone else on here that seems to continue to feel like I have to continue to condem it or in some way support its practice. And all the time we have been discussing it all you have yet to know how I got to that point.
 
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In many ways I came to share how I found forgiveness for the Mormon church. And you like the Mormon church of my past have rejected that offering. I thought I would find acceptance and love among Catholics. Maybe there is not truly a body of Christ on the earth.
 
Catholic-Mormon said:
I have made peace with it I have forgiven its everyone else on here that seems to continue to feel like I have to continue to condem it I in some way support its practice.
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There are people who are working through anger at the injustices they have experienced. Mormonism abuses the soul, which causes a lot of anger, and for a time, the anger is needed to escape the abusers.

But as a friend said to me once, the anger has its time of usefulness, but there comes a time where it is no longer needed and it can be let go.

Been there, done that. I too am at peace, but I don’t feel the requirement to remains silent. You aren’t required to condemn anything or anyone.
 
I want to find people who truly believe that I want to be among those people I understand that abuse I have felt that more deeply than you can even possibly understand. I don’t want to keep living it over and over.
 
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Catholic-Mormon said:
In many ways I came to share how I found forgiveness for the Mormon church. And you like the Mormon church of my past have rejected that offering. I thought I would find acceptance and love among Catholics. Maybe there is not truly a body of Christ on the earth.
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I think you should continue to share. A difference of opinion does not mean you are not accepted. We have a lot of opinionated people! 😂 We aren’t required to all have the same opinion or views.

We are all on the same journey, all walking the same path, towards our destination, which is Jesus Christ. Some have run far ahead and others have stopped along the way, but we all belong on this journey.

Forgive us when we fall short of your expectations.
 
I know that but if you look through the comments today I have been told repeatedly that my perspective needs to change mine and you all don’t even know what that is because you have accused me of having an agenda or playing games or trying to trick you like mormons do you did not want my perspective you just want me to change it you judged me before you even knew me.
 
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