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I’m saying that it is not alright for me to believe in Jesus. That is not how I find GOd. If that is how you find God, why should I have the hubris to believe you are wrong?
Because it would make us idolaters according to your beliefs for starters.

Look, it must surely be an objective fact that Jesus was either divine or was not. If He was not (as you surely believe to be the correct view) and yet we worship Him as such, is this not a deplorable breach of the first Commandment, offensive in the worst possible way to G-d?

Didn’t the prophet Elijah have the ‘hubris’ to do more than tell the prophets of Baal that they were wrong? Didn’t he slay them for exactly the same sin?

Surely according to such logic Christians at least, who should know the truth of the Torah as the prophets of Baal did, should be held accountable for disregarding it?

I can understand making allowances for people who might never have heard the name of Moses or what have you, but we Christians all read the Torah (more or less) and claim to believe its every word, for crying out loud!
 
Hi** Valke2** & **Kaninchen :),

**Do you 100% keep Kosher food at home and when visiting friends or travelling?
In some ways, I’ve avoided a lot of problems by the fact that we’re vegetarian but, yes, we keep Kosher at home (yes, even vegetables have to be ‘koshered’).

Being away from home causes problems but it rather depends on where you are. For example, big cities are easier than small towns, France is difficult but Italy is relatively easy (but that’s true for vegetarians, never mind Kosher vegetarians).

Because we’ve spent a lot of time living and traveling in different countries, my husband did manage to get me to moderate what he jokingly called my OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder) over food! Sometimes, you have to do the best that you can and cross your fingers and hope.
 
Do Jews study Rabbinic tradition? For example:
According to Leviticus Rabbah 9:7 and Pesiqta Rabbati 12, several ancient Rabbis taught the following:
In the Age to Come all sacrifices will cease, but the thank offering will never cease; all songs will cease, but the songs of thanksgiving will never cease." (Cited in Hartmut Gese, Essays in Biblical Theology 133).
I’m asking because in another thread I asked my Jewish brethern to point me toward Rabbinic tradition, but instead I got links to websites which, although rich in Jewish laws, did not tell me about the Rabbinic tradtion (or traditions, if there is more than one).
 
In some ways, I’ve avoided a lot of problems by the fact that we’re vegetarian but, yes, we keep Kosher at home (yes, even vegetables have to be ‘koshered’).

Being away from home causes problems but it rather depends on where you are. For example, big cities are easier than small towns, France is difficult but Italy is relatively easy (but that’s true for vegetarians, never mind Kosher vegetarians).

Because we’ve spent a lot of time living and traveling in different countries, my husband did manage to get me to moderate what he jokingly called my OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder) over food! Sometimes, you have to do the best that you can and cross your fingers and hope.
Is kosher really that much of a problem for vegetarian food?

I can understand certain things, like maybe the use of animal-derived gelatin or rennet maybe, or what have you … :hmmm:

But what do you find to be the main difficulty?
 
Is kosher really that much of a problem for vegetarian food?

I can understand certain things, like maybe the use of animal-derived gelatin or rennet maybe, or what have you … :hmmm:

But what do you find to be the main difficulty?
Kosher is very imporant to Judaism. You just can’t say, “But God dosen’t mind if you eat pork!” or “Why are you still kosher? God no longer requires that of you!” because in the Torah kosher is one of the many commandments which the Lord gave to His Children. Granted, we Christians believe that “what the Lord has created you shall not call unclean”, but Jews do not believe this, and you have to respect their beliefs. They are, after all, our older brethern and “what ye do to the least of My brethern, ye do to Me.”
 
Is kosher really that much of a problem for vegetarian food?

I can understand certain things, like maybe the use of animal-derived gelatin or rennet maybe, or what have you … :hmmm:

But what do you find to be the main difficulty?
You don’t escape questions such as ‘have the plates been used for non-kosher food?’ or ‘is there a possibility of very tiny insects somewhere in this lettuce?’ 🙂
 
Eat insects? Both a general shudder and a kosher shudder! :eek:
Sorry - you’re talking to someone who used to swallow coins all the time and whose sister regularly ate sand. The clincher was when my oldest sister found her baby girl crawling around with half a cockroach sticking out of her mouth 🤷

She’s now a beautiful, healthy and normal ten year old by the way, and none of us are any the worse for the dietary escapades. So in short, a little bit of unintended protein among the leafy greens wouldn’t phase me too much.
 
Sorry - you’re talking to someone who used to swallow coins all the time and whose sister regularly ate sand. The clincher was when my oldest sister found her baby girl crawling around with half a cockroach sticking out of her mouth 🤷

She’s now a beautiful, healthy and normal ten year old by the way, and none of us are any the worse for the dietary escapades. So in short, a little bit of unintended protein among the leafy greens wouldn’t phase me too much.
😃

As I said, sometimes you have to cross your fingers and hope for the best!

Definitely not Kosher though, cockroaches.
 
Hey Valke2, this is good. Learning a lot from your posts.👍

Av harachamim heitivah virtzonekha et Valke 2. yevarekhekha Adonai veyishmerekha, ya’eir Adonai panav eleykha vichunekha, yissa Adonai panav elykha, v’yeseim lekha shalom…amen:signofcross:
 
Thank you for your time Valke.

I had never been inside a Jewish building of any kind in my life. It was a new building and very beautiful. I was curious and wandered around, checking out most of the building, but I didn’t enter I guess is what is called the synagogue. I’d call it in Christian terms the sanctuary.

I didn’t because I didn’t want to be disrespectful. Is it disrespectful to enter? Are there rules, like not going to a certain place within?
No. You can feel free to enter. The only prohibition that I am aware of is that of actually going to and reading from the Torah during a service.
 
Hi** Valke2** & **Kaninchen :),

**Do you 100% keep Kosher food at home and when visiting friends or travelling?
I keep a kosher home. I eat anything diary in any restaurant or friend’s non-kosher home.
 
Because it would make us idolaters according to your beliefs for starters.

Look, it must surely be an objective fact that Jesus was either divine or was not. If He was not (as you surely believe to be the correct view) and yet we worship Him as such, is this not a deplorable breach of the first Commandment, offensive in the worst possible way to G-d?
No. Neither normative judaism or myself view it that way. There’s a split within Judaism but the trend seems to be that chrisitans who worship jesus are not committing idolatry.
Didn’t the prophet Elijah have the ‘hubris’ to do more than tell the prophets of Baal that they were wrong? Didn’t he slay them for exactly the same sin?
I’m not Elijah and most christians I know aren’t prophets of Baal.

Judaism does not require the rest of the world to worship as Jews.
 
Do Jews study Rabbinic tradition? For example:

I’m asking because in another thread I asked my Jewish brethern to point me toward Rabbinic tradition, but instead I got links to websites which, although rich in Jewish laws, did not tell me about the Rabbinic tradtion (or traditions, if there is more than one).
Yes we study (or should be studying" the “rabbinic tradition” Rabbinic tradition is responsible for essentially now we implement all the commandments that are set forth in the Torah. To the best of my knowledge, the entire Talmud is a source of Rabbinic Tradition.

As an example, I happen to be familiar with the verse you quoted in your post. It is something I’ve run across both in my study of Talmud and in other readings by other Rabbis.
 
Hi again** Valke2** & **Kaninchen,

**Is the Hebrew name “יהוה” is the exact name written by the finger of God The Most High in the two tablets which were given to Moses?
 
Hi again** Valke2** & **Kaninchen,

**Is the Hebrew name “יהוה” is the exact name written by the finger of God The Most High in the two tablets which were given to Moses?
I don’t believe we know how God wrote His name on the Tablets (either the first or second set – the second set being written by Moses.) However, I could be mistaken about this.
 
I understand that the shechinah, the presence of God, is a feminine word. What is the Jewish stance on shechinah? Rather, how does it involve itself in Jewish tradition and life?

Thanks mate! You and Kan are extremely beneficial resources!
 
sorry if this has been asked as i didn’t have the time to read all 9 pages, but do jews believe christians are idolators?

i would prefer not to have a canned answer that is pc, we’re all big boys here and we can discuss the issue honestly and still be friends.

my thought is as a christian if i am wrong i am an idolator because i worship a man, as a catholic i am seriously wrong as i bow before the host. therefore to a jew who does not believe these things we must be idolators.

thanks.
 
I understand that the shechinah, the presence of God, is a feminine word. What is the Jewish stance on shechinah? Rather, how does it involve itself in Jewish tradition and life?

Thanks mate! You and Kan are extremely beneficial resources!
I should be thanking you. This gives me the opportunity to brush up on my faith.

The Shekhinah is the Divine Presence. It is how God manifests His presence in this world. We learn this from Exodus 25:8: “Let them make Me a sanctuary that I may dwell [veshakhanti] in their midst”.

This conception of Hashem took on greater importance in the mystical (Kabbalistic) literature. Kabbalah teaches that the Shekinah is the 10th of the Sefirot – manifestations of God. IT is the Kabbalah that focuses on the feminine aspects of the Shekhinah.

There’s a fundamental belief in Judaism that Hashem participates in the sufferings of Israel. This concept of divine pathos shapes the hearts of the prophet, making him one who empathizes with the divine pathos. So we have the rabbis saying things like: “The Shekhinah descended into exile with the [Israel].”

Rabbi Elizer (2nd century CE?) said: "Why did the Hashem, in revealing HImself from the highest heavens, speak to Moses out of the thornbush? Because just as the thornbush is the lowliest of all the trees in the world, so the people Israel had sunk to the lowest level of degradation and Hashem descended with them and redeemed them, as it is written, "I have come down to rescue them from the Egyptians’ (Exodus 3:8)

Later sages understood the phrase “The Shekhinah descended with them” as saying that it shared their lot. In other words it is an expression of Hashem’s empathy for His people.

But Rabbi Akiva – one of the greatest of rabbis, took this concept a step further. He said it was not merely empathy. He said that the pain God feels when Israel suffers is that of total identification, something that touches God’s very essence. He taught that the inflictions of Israel inflict wounds on God.

This was a very daring and dangerous concept and was and still is not universally accepted by Jews. (Akiva had a rival, Rabbi Ishmael. The schools of Rabbi Ishmael and Rabbi Akiva often differed on how one was to view interpret the scripture). And for much the same reason that the Christian concept of Jesus is problematic. That is, to say God suffers with His people is to open the door for the argument that God is not omnipotent.

Akiva addressed this somewhat obliquely as follows:

“They have spoken falsehood [or plotted treason] against me (Hosea 7:13) - " Now has falsehood been spoken against the Holy and Blessed One?” Akiva expounded: They have said, was it for our sake that God was concerned with our redemption? He was concerned with Himself! God redeemed Himself, not us, for it was said: 'whom have you redeemed for yourself from Egypt, a people and it’s God.

What is going on with this explanation is as follows: Akiva wants to assert that God makes Himself vunerable by participating in Israel’s suffering and redemption. Having stated that, Akiva has to then defend against the charge that in that vunerability, God’s primary concern in Exodus was to save Himself. This is similar to the christian problem of teaching of Jesus’ humanity and suffering on the cross: How can the person of God be humanized to facilitate empathic identification, without either jeopardizing divine omnipotence or, worse, inviting a sense of moral weakness to enter the divine description).

I can write more but all this gives you hopefully a taste of what the role of the Shekhinah plays in Judaism.

I have shameless borrowed and quoted form A.J.'s Heshel’s “Heavenly Torah” in responding to your question.

I could go on in greater detail but I probably already said more than is easily understood.****
 
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