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lizaanne
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Where did you find this - please provide a link to the source.
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CapIV
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I am sorry Father Jenkins but this is ridiculous. The man actively supports the murder of over 1 million Americans per year and is now forcing his subjects to pay for the barbaric practice and further is going to force doctors to choose between their jobs and their consciences. It doesn’t matter if he has attractive immigration and health care policies, the right to life precedes all.
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Catholic20064
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This is the best I can do. I received the letter in my personal e-mail. Here is a link to the Observer article:Where did you find this - please provide a link to the source.
~Liza
media.www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/storage/paper660/news/2009/05/10/CommencementInFocus/Jenkins.Writes.To.Graduates.About.Obama.Decision-3740648.shtml
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Fitz
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I think he is saving face, and I think he is wrong in his decision. I never doubted he was sincere, but he is wrong.
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Mark77
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It’s truly a sad day when the leadership of a Secular University, Arizona State, has more intellectual integrity than the leadership of Notre Dame.
They were smart enough to allow him to speak as President, but not to offer the man, Obama, an honorary degree because he was just elected and has done nothing yet to warrant honors.
**This is just another step in the devious plan of these immoral politicians to use weak and brainwashed catholics to gain credibility for themselves, while humiliating and embarrassing the Catholic Church and the Catholics who know and follow the teachings of Jesus.
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By covering up the “IHS” at Georgetown and now receiving an honorary degree from Notre Dame, Obama is manipulating these “catholic” dupes for his own gain and credibility!
Perception has become reality in the US. It is now a “Legal Right?” (Illegal Wrong!!!) to murder your innocent baby because the baby would be an inconvenience.
His spokesman said that there is only one group organized against Obama while there are 23 groups who support him? Gibbs went on to say that “the majority of catholics” support Obama receiving this honor? (these are the same catholics who pick and choose which Catholic teachings they want to follow, depending on what society tells them is hip or cool!!)
As Papa Benedictus XVI has said, (i paraphrase) ‘It would be better to have far fewer catholics but to have all of the true Catholics be devout and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ as revealed in Sacred Scripture, through the teachings of His Apostles, their Successors and His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church!!’
"Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Mt 7:21).
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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They were smart enough to allow him to speak as President, but not to offer the man, Obama, an honorary degree because he was just elected and has done nothing yet to warrant honors.
**This is just another step in the devious plan of these immoral politicians to use weak and brainwashed catholics to gain credibility for themselves, while humiliating and embarrassing the Catholic Church and the Catholics who know and follow the teachings of Jesus.
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By covering up the “IHS” at Georgetown and now receiving an honorary degree from Notre Dame, Obama is manipulating these “catholic” dupes for his own gain and credibility!
Perception has become reality in the US. It is now a “Legal Right?” (Illegal Wrong!!!) to murder your innocent baby because the baby would be an inconvenience.
His spokesman said that there is only one group organized against Obama while there are 23 groups who support him? Gibbs went on to say that “the majority of catholics” support Obama receiving this honor? (these are the same catholics who pick and choose which Catholic teachings they want to follow, depending on what society tells them is hip or cool!!)
As Papa Benedictus XVI has said, (i paraphrase) ‘It would be better to have far fewer catholics but to have all of the true Catholics be devout and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ as revealed in Sacred Scripture, through the teachings of His Apostles, their Successors and His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church!!’
"Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Mt 7:21).
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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MrS
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From his letter, Jenkins writes:
There is much to admire and celebrate in the life and work of President Obama. His views and policies on immigration, expanding health care, alleviating poverty, and building peace through diplomacy have a deep resonance with Catholic social teaching. As the first African-American holder of this office, he has accelerated our country’s progress in overcoming the painful legacy of slavery and segregation. He is a remarkable figure in American history, and I look forward to welcoming him to Notre Dame.
Just another Catholic with out a clue as to what is happening.
Much to admire???
Placing
There is much to admire and celebrate in the life and work of President Obama. His views and policies on immigration, expanding health care, alleviating poverty, and building peace through diplomacy have a deep resonance with Catholic social teaching. As the first African-American holder of this office, he has accelerated our country’s progress in overcoming the painful legacy of slavery and segregation. He is a remarkable figure in American history, and I look forward to welcoming him to Notre Dame.
Just another Catholic with out a clue as to what is happening.
Much to admire???
Placing
- immigration … right… Pelosi needs the votes. Encourage those who break the law.
- expanding health care … which is proven to be the wrong answer
- alleviating poverty… by "taking from Peter to pay Paul’… yeah, right
- diplomacy … that would be the “no conditions” kiss-ups with those who want us dead, right?
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Catholic20064
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That was my take – just because he wants to do something doesn’t mean Obama is doing it the way that will be best. All politicians have stands on what they say they want to do, but it is prudential judgment as to how these policies should be pursued. There is no prudential judgment when it comes to abortion – it’s wrong. The sad thing is that on Greta VanSustrand last night the ND Response students said there would only be 30-50 graduating students participating in their alternate graduation plans. So ND has brainwashed most of its students into thinking Obama is just fine.From his letter, Jenkins writes:
There is much to admire and celebrate in the life and work of President Obama. His views and policies on immigration, expanding health care, alleviating poverty, and building peace through diplomacy have a deep resonance with Catholic social teaching. As the first African-American holder of this office, he has accelerated our country’s progress in overcoming the painful legacy of slavery and segregation. He is a remarkable figure in American history, and I look forward to welcoming him to Notre Dame.
Just another Catholic with out a clue as to what is happening.
Much to admire???
Placing
- immigration … right… Pelosi needs the votes. Encourage those who break the law.
- expanding health care … which is proven to be the wrong answer
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iating poverty… by "taking from Peter to pay Paul’… yeah, right- diplomacy … that would be the “no conditions” kiss-ups with those who want us dead, right?
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MrS
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Hardly an example of “…our best and our brightest…” huh?That was my take – just because he wants to do something doesn’t mean Obama is doing it the way that will be best. All politicians have stands on what they say they want to do, but it is prudential judgment as to how these policies should be pursued. There is no prudential judgment when it comes to abortion – it’s wrong. The sad thing is that on Greta VanSustrand last night the ND Response students said there would only be 30-50 graduating students participating in their alternate graduation plans. So ND has brainwashed most of its students into thinking Obama is just fine.
No suprise…
add up the 54% Catholics who voted for that one
with the xx% of other denominations at ND who approve of contraception and/or abortion,
and the ones who think it is all Bush’s fault…
Oh well… we know the MSM will follow closely on this one and on his speach tonight in Arizona (where he gets NO honorary degree)
Chris Matthews will be incensed that his messiah is getting dissed… probably sent shivers up his leg.
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Catholic20064
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My understanding was that he was not getting an honorary degree at first, but that he pressured Arizona into giving in and giving him one. Are you sure he’s not getting one?Hardly an example of “…our best and our brightest…” huh?
No suprise…
add up the 54% Catholics who voted for that one
with the xx% of other denominations at ND who approve of contraception and/or abortion,
and the ones who think it is all Bush’s fault…
Oh well… we know the MSM will follow closely on this one and on his speach tonight in Arizona (where he gets NO honorary degree)
Chris Matthews will be incensed that his messiah is getting dissed… probably sent shivers up his leg.
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Havard
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I just want to step in and say that Notre Dame isn’t brainwashing students to like the President, as a previous poster suggested.
Many of my former professors from Notre Dame, such as Ralph McInerny and Charlie Rice, are ardent defenders of the pro-Life cause and categorically denounce the honoring of President Obama. There are many others, but both of the professors I specifically mentioned are popular among students and prominent members of the faculty.
Many of my former professors from Notre Dame, such as Ralph McInerny and Charlie Rice, are ardent defenders of the pro-Life cause and categorically denounce the honoring of President Obama. There are many others, but both of the professors I specifically mentioned are popular among students and prominent members of the faculty.
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MrS
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abcnews.go.com/OnCampus/story?id=7566871&page=1My understanding was that he was not getting an honorary degree at first, but that he pressured Arizona into giving in and giving him one. Are you sure he’s not getting one?
from the link:
*Yet another controversy erupted when ASU decided not to give the president an honorary degree. ASU officials initially said university policy prevented them from awarding degrees to sitting politicians. *
*Within days, ASU president Michael Crow announced the President Barack Obama Scholars Program for incoming freshmen. Crow is expected to recognize the five students selected for the scholarships after the president delivers his speech.
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MrS
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Yes and no… ND has allowed the travisty of this and some questionable teachers and priests.I just want to step in and say that Notre Dame isn’t brainwashing students to like the President, as a previous poster suggested.
Many of my former professors from Notre Dame, such as Ralph McInerny and Charlie Rice, are ardent defenders of the pro-Life cause and categorically denounce the honoring of President Obama. There are many others, but both of the professors I specifically mentioned are popular among students and prominent members of the faculty.
But Charlie Rice is a bonafide gem… of a natural law professor, a Catholic, and a gentleman.
And Ralph McInenery’s books are worth more per page than the revenues generated by two books from that one.
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Havard:I just want to step in and say that Notre Dame isn’t brainwashing students to like the President, as a previous poster suggested.
Many of my former professors from Notre Dame, such as Ralph McInerny and Charlie Rice, are ardent defenders of the pro-Life cause and categorically denounce the honoring of President Obama. There are many others, but both of the professors I specifically mentioned are popular among students and prominent members of the faculty.
Why aren’t MORE students either involved in the alternate graduation or doing some form of “dignified protest” as I outlined here?
Re: Amb. Keyes arrested at Notre Dame Posts #141 & #144
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5197498&postcount=141
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5198287&postcount=144
I would expect MORE of a PRO-LIFE WITNESS if these Professors were as Pro-Life as you say they are, unless there is a sincere lack of COURAGE.
About 4-1/2 years ago, my then pastor was misappropriating the funds of the parish, refusing to do his priestly duties or submit to authority, involved in a cult, and committing adultery. Most of the rest of the congregation owed him from his years of previous faithful service and sided with him, vehemently. The first group who approached him and tried to straighten things out were screamed at and thrown out on their ear. I and 2 others took over (we added a 3rd after a while), after I said, in front of the screaming crowd, that he “had to submit to his bishop” who was 5’ away from him, after he had pointedly said he didn’t have to submit to anyone who was in the room… That night, I acted as witness for one of the others who confronted him (and his “minder” from the cult) and then watched as his wife (Anglican priests can marry) got in the car with his other “minder” (also mistress) while he got in the car with his “minder”.
All of this was reported to the Bishop. After that, I became the Bishop’s “Mole”, while I kept in contact with a couple of those who had been thrown out (to make sure that I was on the right track) and contacted others to see if I had any support (2 people). As one of the kept away from the Church, and I couldn’t talk to the other one at church, it was awful lonely for a couple of months. There are still repercussions - One of those who was adamantly on the other side still hates me and has called me “An embarrassment and a liability” and, as I was not exactly popular to begin with, that whole affair made me even more unpopular.
So, I’ve finally had to leave and find a new congregation. If it’s important enough, you do what has to be done and deal with the consequences… It’s time for the students and Professors at ND to ask themselves if trying to save the Innocent Unborn is important enough to endure some unpleasant consequences. I can’t answer that question for them. I can only suggest things for them to do if they decide the answer is, “YES!”
Your Brother and Servant in Christ, Michael
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Rach620
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I’m a member of the graduating class of 2009–and heard about Fr. Jenkins’ letter while reading my Catholic blogs! I haven’t received it yet in my nd.edu email, and it could be a few days before it reaches me via regular mail, if that’s the case.
No matter. This sounds like Fr. Jenkins’ voice, feels like an argument he would make. None of it surprises me, except for some of the more personal flourishes that reveal another side to the situation:
The thing is, this follows in the wake of many other similar “debates” that have gone on during my time here, each one of them a disappointment. Fr. Jenkins’ presidency, thus far, has been a bust IMO. I worry about the University I leave behind, even though I have worked so hard while here to help better it and to build up Catholic culture here.
My husband and I are 95% sure that we will be participating in the alternative to Commencement with our families: the pro-life rally and prayer vigil at the Grotto. Many of our pro-life friends will be there with us; others have chosen to go to Commencement, even as they have organized the various aspects of ND Response in these past two months. I don’t think anyone really should judge going vs. not going to your own Commencement as a moral right or wrong; our own bishop has told us that it is NOT a moral question.
I hope that we can make a good showing of pro-life support of Our Lady’s University–of tough love, calling her back to her life-giving roots. Only time will tell. If any of you can possibly come to South Bend to join us in prayer, we would love to have you!!
No matter. This sounds like Fr. Jenkins’ voice, feels like an argument he would make. None of it surprises me, except for some of the more personal flourishes that reveal another side to the situation:
During your years here we have endeavored to train you in the various disciplines and urged you to ask the larger questions - discussing not only the technical and practical but also the ethical and spiritual dimensions of pressing issues. I have been proud of you as you have grappled with intellectual, political, and spiritual questions. **But I have never been more proud than I have been watching the way you’ve conducted yourselves over the past several weeks. **
The decision to invite President Obama to Notre Dame to receive an honorary degree and deliver the Commencement address has triggered debate. In many cases, the debate has grown heated, even between people who agree completely on Church teaching regarding the sanctity of human life, who agree completely that we should work for change - and differ only on how we should work for change.
I have had the opposite experience here. It has absolutely divided my circle of friends, even though most of us agree that this is a fundamentally WRONG move on the part of the University. We have differed on how we should respond, whether we should go to Commencement or not, how we can best protest this honor, etc. Both the reality of what is going on (ie, my beloved Notre Dame honoring someone antithetical to everything I have learned here) and its effects (endless strategizing, arguing, reading the back and forth, seeing ND in the news and reviled by Catholics everywhere…) has been truly painful. Instead of having a joyful Commencement weekend, it is going to be bittersweet and anticlimactic. DH and I just aren’t able to get ourselves excited about it, even though it is a really special occasion…Yet there has been an extra dimension to your debate. You have discussed this issue with each other while being observed, interviewed, and evaluated by people who are interested in this story. You engaged each other with passion, intelligence and respect. And I saw no sign that your differences led to division. You inspire me. We need the wider society to be more like you; it is good that we are sending you into that world on Sunday.
The thing is, this follows in the wake of many other similar “debates” that have gone on during my time here, each one of them a disappointment. Fr. Jenkins’ presidency, thus far, has been a bust IMO. I worry about the University I leave behind, even though I have worked so hard while here to help better it and to build up Catholic culture here.
My husband and I are 95% sure that we will be participating in the alternative to Commencement with our families: the pro-life rally and prayer vigil at the Grotto. Many of our pro-life friends will be there with us; others have chosen to go to Commencement, even as they have organized the various aspects of ND Response in these past two months. I don’t think anyone really should judge going vs. not going to your own Commencement as a moral right or wrong; our own bishop has told us that it is NOT a moral question.
I hope that we can make a good showing of pro-life support of Our Lady’s University–of tough love, calling her back to her life-giving roots. Only time will tell. If any of you can possibly come to South Bend to join us in prayer, we would love to have you!!
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Havard
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Traditional Ang: The situation may look bleak to you, but many faithful Catholics find hope within the Notre Dame community nonetheless. As Father Jonathan Morris said, “Notre Dame is a truly great university, and I say that sincerely. I am confident it will see better days.”
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Catholic20064
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I work at Notre Dame. I will definitely be there on Sunday at the alternate graduation. Too many of the people I meet at Notre Dame seem to think Obama deserves the invite just because he’s President of the United States.My husband and I are 95% sure that we will be participating in the alternative to Commencement with our families: the pro-life rally and prayer vigil at the Grotto. Many of our pro-life friends will be there with us; others have chosen to go to Commencement, even as they have organized the various aspects of ND Response in these past two months. I don’t think anyone really should judge going vs. not going to your own Commencement as a moral right or wrong; our own bishop has told us that it is NOT a moral question.
I hope that we can make a good showing of pro-life support of Our Lady’s University–of tough love, calling her back to her life-giving roots. Only time will tell. If any of you can possibly come to South Bend to join us in prayer, we would love to have you!!
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timcin
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My Aunt, who passed away 4 years ago, also worked at Notre Dame for many years and is buried in Notre Dame’s cemetary. I am sure she is turning over in her grave about all of this.I work at Notre Dame. I will definitely be there on Sunday at the alternate graduation. Too many of the people I meet at Notre Dame seem to think Obama deserves the invite just because he’s President of the United States.
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quiet52
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I hope the ND graduates who don’t plan to attend the commencement are encouraged to NOT give away their seat tickets.
And Rach, congratulations on your graduation!
Be assured that many throughout the nation will be joining you in prayer this weekend, even if we cannot be there physically to do the praying.
And Rach, congratulations on your graduation!
Be assured that many throughout the nation will be joining you in prayer this weekend, even if we cannot be there physically to do the praying.
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MrS
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Amen to that!!I hope the ND graduates who don’t plan to attend the commencement are encouraged to NOT give away their seat tickets.
And Rach, congratulations on your graduation!
Be assured that many throughout the nation will be joining you in prayer this weekend, even if we cannot be there physically to do the praying.
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