Letter shows future Pope Benedict resisted defrocking molester priest

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No, not the Wisconsin case. This is the California case…

GILLIAN FLACCUS

Associated Press Writer

April 9, 2010 | 10:45 a.m.
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — The future Pope Benedict XVI resisted pleas to defrock a California priest with a record of sexually molesting children, citing concerns including “the good of the universal church,” according to a 1985 letter bearing his signature.

The correspondence, obtained by The Associated Press, is the strongest challenge yet to the Vatican’s insistence that Benedict played no role in blocking the removal of pedophile priests during his years as head of the Catholic Church’s doctrinal watchdog office.

The letter, signed by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was typed in Latin and is part of years of correspondence between the Diocese of Oakland and the Vatican about the proposed defrocking of the Rev. Stephen Kiesle.

The Vatican refused to comment on the contents of the letter Friday, but a spokesman confirmed it bore Ratzinger’s signature.

“The press office doesn’t believe it is necessary to respond to every single document taken out of context regarding particular legal situations,” the Rev. Federico Lombardi said. “It is not strange that there are single documents which have Cardinal Ratzinger’s signature.”

The diocese recommended removing Kiesle (KEEZ’-lee) from the priesthood in 1981, the year Ratzinger was appointed to head the Vatican office which shared responsibility for disciplining abusive priests.

The case then languished for four years at the Vatican before Ratzinger finally wrote to Oakland Bishop John Cummins. It was two more years before Kiesle was removed.

In the November 1985 letter, Ratzinger says the arguments for removing Kiesle are of “grave significance” but added that such actions required very careful review and more time. He also urged the bishop to provide Kiesle with “as much paternal care as possible” while awaiting the decision, according to a translation for AP by Professor Thomas Habinek, chairman of the University of Southern California Classics Department.

But the future pope also noted that any decision to defrock Kiesle must take into account the “good of the universal church” and the “detriment that granting the dispensation can provoke within the community of Christ’s faithful, particularly considering the young age.” Kiesle was 38 at the time.

Kiesle had been sentenced in 1978 to three years’ probation after pleading no contest to misdemeanor charges of lewd conduct for tying up and molesting two young boys in a San Francisco Bay area church rectory.

As his probation ended in 1981, Kiesle asked to leave the priesthood and the diocese submitted papers to Rome to defrock him.

In his earliest letter to Ratzinger, Cummins warned that returning Kiesle to ministry would cause more of a scandal than stripping him of his priestly powers.

“It is my conviction that there would be no scandal if this petition were granted and that as a matter of fact, given the nature of the case, there might be greater scandal to the community if Father Kiesle were allowed to return to the active ministry,” Cummins wrote in 1982.

While papers obtained by the AP include only one letter with Ratzinger’s signature, correspondence and internal memos from the diocese refer to a letter dated Nov. 17, 1981, from the then-cardinal to the bishop. Ratzinger was appointed to head the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith a week later.

California church officials wrote to Ratzinger at least three times to check on the status of Kiesle’s case. At one point, a Vatican official wrote to say the file may have been lost and suggested resubmitting materials.

Diocese officials considered writing Ratzinger again after they received his 1985 response to impress upon him that leaving Kiesle in the ministry would harm the church, Rev. George Mockel wrote in a memo to the Oakland bishop.

“My own reading of this letter is that basically they are going to sit on it until Steve gets quite a bit older,” the memo said. “Despite his young age, the particular and unique circumstances of this case would seem to make it a greater scandal if he were not laicized.”

More at: latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-pope-church-abuse,0,3468077.story?page=2
 
“Kiesle had been sentenced in 1978 to three years’ probation after pleading no contest to misdemeanor charges of lewd conduct for tying up and molesting two young boys in a San Francisco Bay area church rectory.”
This seems to be a bit lenient:confused:. I think a person would probably get a stiffer sentence for possession of a joint. I don’t get it, I really don’t. “Tying up and molesting two young boys.” Ya know, I may be out of line. If I am, I’m sorry. When I was a young boy, I served Mass. And the guys I served with I knew. We hung out, played ball, broke windows, tunneled under the seats in the theater, etc. I pity the priest that would have tried to tie us up! How does this happen? Seriously, I am bewildered!
 
Altar boys come in all shapes and sizes–some would knock out a priest who laid a hand on them, but others would not. Predators are probably pretty shrewd about picking the most vulnerable victims. Also, these are priests and a lot of Catholic boys have been taught to do whatever Father tells them to…
 
I don’t believe a word of it.

There is a war against Holy Mother Church, and, sinner though I am, failing at many things, I know whose side I’m on.
 
I don’t believe a word of it.QUOTE]

You do realize that has no bearing on the accuracy of the article, don’t you? They have a letter with Ratzinger’s signature on it—if that is not credible evidence, what is?
 
Altar boys come in all shapes and sizes–some would knock out a priest who laid a hand on them, but others would not. Predators are probably pretty shrewd about picking the most vulnerable victims. Also, these are priests and a lot of Catholic boys have been taught to do whatever Father tells them to…
I know you’re right. We, the group who served, stuck up for one another, looked out for each other, took the younger ones under our protection, taught them the ropes so to speak. Ya know? Father so and so likes it done this way, stay away from him, just serve and leave, he touches too much, he’s always grouchy, etc. We, that group I’m talking about, still are friends and discuss this and can’t, for the life of us, figure it out. Oh well, I’m just rambling. Oh yeah, priest or no priest, he didn’t want to be the subject of discussion with Sister Pauline! Because the nuns were our shield and buckler! And don’t even think she wasn’t keeping tabs on her alter boys! It is a sad thing.
 
Sailor Kenshin;6505764:
I don’t believe a word of it.QUOTE]

You do realize that has no bearing on the accuracy of the article, don’t you? They have a letter with Ratzinger’s signature on it—if that is not credible evidence, what is?
Or so they claim. Also, what was the context of the deal with regard to Ratzinger’s responsibility? He wasn’t put in charge of the whole sexual abuse scandal until 2001. Before that he was in charge of priestly abuse of the Sacrament of Confession.

I think we’re lacking sufficient detail (and I would venture to say so is the L.A. Times) to make a judgement at this point. Given the nature of the anti-Catholic, bigotted media in this country, I doubt anything they say in the way they say it.
 
Sailor Kenshin;6505764:
I don’t believe a word of it.QUOTE]

You do realize that has no bearing on the accuracy of the article, don’t you? They have a letter with Ratzinger’s signature on it—if that is not credible evidence, what is?
Nothing that the secular media produces. Nothing. And this isn’t even Rathergate.
 
I dont think the Vatican is denying the legitimacy of the letter. I dont see the supposed great scandal of this letter. He delayed defrocking a Priest. He counsleled compassion and understanding. There is NO evidence that this Priest molested any more young men.
 
I think the media is confusing defrocking and ‘taking out of parish ministry’. I can imagine that many people in the church might have been confused and left the church (when I grew up they taught that a priest was a priest forever…they have changed the teaching…I’m leaving…)

It has happened before. I wonder if that was what the cardinal was thinking of.
 
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La-La-La-La-La-La-La-La

Rationalization is a powerful tool.

I agree the media is a frothy mess right now. But the Vatican basically confirmed the letter. How you can hide from that, I have no idea.

I think all its shows is that, even after being convicted of tying up and molesting (raping? not sure) a child, Benedict appears to show as much, if not more concern for the image of the Church, even as the bishop in charge of this predatory priest recommends firing. At best, it looks like very questionable priorities.

Unless of course you think its all a big scam. Which I can not help you with.
 
Plugs Ears

La-La-La-La-La-La-La-La

Rationalization is a powerful tool.

I agree the media is a frothy mess right now. But the Vatican basically confirmed the letter. How you can hide from that, I have no idea.

I think all its shows is that, even after being convicted of tying up and molesting (raping? not sure) a child, Benedict appears to show as much, if not more concern for the image of the Church, even as the bishop in charge of this predatory priest recommends firing. At best, it looks like very questionable priorities.

Unless of course you think its all a big scam. Which I can not help you with.
But we was fired. Defrocking does not equal firing. He was removed from active ministry before the first letter was ever send to the Cardinal.
 
I dont think the Vatican is denying the legitimacy of the letter. I dont see the supposed great scandal of this letter. He delayed defrocking a Priest. He counsleled compassion and understanding. There is NO evidence that this Priest molested any more young men.
I think the media is just throwing more fuel on the fire. I don’t condone the behavior, in fact the behavior of the priests disgusts me. But, the media has got a live one and they know it. Now is the time for real Catholics to stand fast, pray, and trust in the Lord. There will be a day of reckoning for each and every one of us. I hesitate to post this because of the flak I’ll get, nevertheless…
 
The media overblows everything, and in a few days will know what really happened… Stick with www.catholicleague.com. I go there to see what the media’s messing up. .

PRAY FOR THE VICTIMS
PRAY FOR THE ABUSERS
PRAY FOR INNOCENT PRIESTS AND BISHOPS
PRAY FOR THE ENTIRE CHURCH
PRAY FOR THOSE WHOSE VIEW OF THE CHURCH IS BEING ALTERED
PRAY FOR THE MEDIA.
 
well,
it’s obvious to anyone from the outside looking in what’s going on. on a more theological note, is the blind defense of mr. ratzinger due to the doctrine of infallibility? that is to say, if you admit that he was covering for men who were raping/molesting defenseless children it would cast aspersions on the idea that he’s the head of the church universal in line with the apostle peter?
what is the headcount of children that ratzinger turned a blind eye to? 200 at the deaf boys school, couple dozen with this dude and how much more that we don’t or will never know about?
 
Something smells very fishy here.

From what I understand the intervention of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was not specifically called upon or required to reduce a priest to the laity. The requirements under Canon Law to try this sort of offense lay with the local bishop. Intervention from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith usually requires extraordinary circumstances, none of which are detailed in this article.

Also, this man apparently plead no-contest to trying up children and molesting them, according the AP report, but received probation from the government?

No, that doesn’t add up at all. There is a lot more to the particulars of this case than the reporters cared to research. The completely lack of inquiry into the circumstances behind such an outlandish judicial sentence leaves me skeptical in the extreme.

Moreover, defrocking a priest effectively “cuts him loose” from the Church. Since the State already let him off with probation, doesn’t that mean there would be nobody monitoring this guy or keeping him away from children? It appears that after he was kicked out of the priesthood he went on to molest more children and the government didn’t catch back up to him for 15 years.

At least while he was banned from ministry but still kept under the yoke of ordination he was monitored and wasn’t allowed access to children. If anything it appears that reducing this man to the laity actually enabled him to commit further acts of sexual abuse.

That’s really, really messed up.
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well,
it’s obvious to anyone from the outside looking in what’s going on. on a more theological note, is the blind defense of mr. ratzinger due to the doctrine of infallibility? that is to say, if you admit that he was covering for men who were raping/molesting defenseless children it would cast aspersions on the idea that he’s the head of the church universal in line with the apostle peter?
what is the headcount of children that ratzinger turned a blind eye to? 200 at the deaf boys school, couple dozen with this dude and how much more that we don’t or will never know about?
This has nothing whatsoever due to the doctine of infallibity. And there is absilutely no evidence that he was covering for anybody. The priest in question was removed from active ministry. The ONLY dispute is that he wasnt defrocked for several more years. i think as another poster pointed out the problem here is that non-Catholics dont understand that a Priest can be removed from Ministry without being dfrocked.
 
Does anyone know what the correctly translated letter said?

Or did they use a “machine” translation? As happened here
“according to a translation for AP by Professor Thomas Habinek, chairman of the University of Southern California Classics Department.”

Now, that said, the Classics Department of most universities don’t study “Church Latin” - only “Classical Latin.” They study the Latin of Cicero and Caesar - not St. Jerome or the Holy See. There will be some errors, surely, but the general contents should still be translated reliably.
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