Levada the proof is in the pudding

[Mysty101]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

God Bless you!
That’s what I want, a sub-group!
Spot on.

Okay so what is it?

You can call yourself whatever you want, as long as you do not ridicule others, especially those legitimate Catholics who choose a different option in worship.

 

[Scotty_PGH]

usqueadmortem:

RCN,

I am sorry you have had to endure that. We aren’t calling you any names.
But the point is that Traditional Catholics have a distinct identity. Your displeasure at that fact can’t change, and won’t change it. We are attached to the Tridentine liturgy, which is distinct (and very different I might add) from the Pauline Mass.
We are in love with the Tridentine Liturgy, we are relieved from liturgical abuse, and we don’t mind being called Traditional or Tridentine. (In fact, that is how we refer to ourselves)
If you are happy with the Novus Ordo, God be with you! It is valid and error free in its Latin edition! You are just as much as Catholics. You worship the same Christ, you belong to the same Church, you are obedient to the same Pope.

Call us political, heretical, schismatic, scary, divisive…call us whatever you want. May God be praised for the Tridentine Mass and for the Tridentine movement!

God be with you!
Usque.

:clapping:

Et cum spiritu tuo!

 

[Scotty_PGH]

Mysty101:

You can call yourself whatever you want, as long as you do not ridicule others, especially those legitimate Catholics who choose a different option in worship.

Excellent point! A few others in this thread would do well to note it.

 

[netmilsmom]

Scotty PGH:

Excellent point! A few others in this thread would do well to note it.

Pitifully, in my experience, those who want a more traditional Holy Mass are the ones called names.

A friend of mine, who was at a very modern parish, told me that there were ministries for all forms of “problems”. Gay, adultery, gambling, you name it, but God forbid one brings up a TLM. Then there was something wrong with you.

I don’t understand why one kind of worship is encouraged, yet a thousand years of worshiping another way is swept away.

 

[Scotty_PGH]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

I don’t understand why one kind of worship is encouraged, yet a thousand years of worshiping another way is swept away.

Thankfully, our Holy Father is perplexed by this too. It remains to be seen what, if anything, he can/will do, but at least we know from his writings where his heart lies.

A recent bulletin at my Church noted that the International Una Voce organization had recently submitted a request to the Holy Father, asking him to celebrate the traditional Latin Mass at St. Peter’s. They originally submitted the request to Pope John Paull II in 1998 and it was ignored. I am very optimistic that our Holy Father will in fact honor this request.

We know that he loves the traditional Mass:
fssp.org/album/VS1990W/index.htm

 

[Mysty101]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

Pitifully, in my experience, those who want a more traditional Holy Mass are the ones called names.

A friend of mine, who was at a very modern parish, told me that there were ministries for all forms of “problems”. Gay, adultery, gambling, you name it, but God forbid one brings up a TLM. Then there was something wrong with you.

I don’t understand why one kind of worship is encouraged, yet a thousand years of worshiping another way is swept away.

For whatever reason (or guidance of the Holy Spirit), there have been legitimate changes in the Liturgy. Those who prefer Latin are in the minority, yet their worship preference has been protected. If there is not a significant number in the Parish, or a Priest available, it is not in the “common Spiritual good” of the congregation to attempt to provide this Mass.

It is both sad and wrong if anyone is ridiculed for anything, but two wrongs never make a right.

 

[Mysty101]

PS I love all forms of worship, and was never ridiculed for discussion of the TLM, or Charismatic style in person, and only for Charismatic style in these forums.

 

[tesshinkle]

its not really a matter weather or not the latin mass is said although many, including myself, would love for it to make a comeback, what matters is that the dogma and doctrine of the faith is kept holy. i have heard, for instance, of 100 people being denied communion because they wore rainbow sashes to mass in support of gay people-come on people, must you support gay people at church?-GET REAL!!! how about we all wear a red sash in support of all people who have committed adultery? Homosexuality is a sin-love the sinner, hate the sin-by supporting the gay people at mass is really out of place, it definately does not keep the celebration holy. It is one thing to welcome gay people to mass but always with a “knowing” that you do not approve of their sin, but you accept them as Jesus would.

 

[Pariah_Pirana]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

I must respectfully ask you, what do you want those who prefer a non-Charistmatic mass to call themselves?

It’s easy to say, “We are all Catholic.” but most of the people that I know who went to a TLM Holy Mass did it to escape the modernist liturgy being offered it their own parishes.

What should we refer to ourselves when we don’t feel like we belong there?

How about “Catholics” or “Catholic Christians?”

I honestly don’t believe you know how offensive the above posting is.

First, while I attend the Tridentine Mass and the Divine Liturgy on a regular basis, I predominatly attend the normative Pauline Mass. I make it a point not to attend the Sunday charismatic version of the Pauline Mass because it dosen’t fit my preference – although it’s certainly recognized within the greater Catholic Church.

Why does it seem you are trying to label all normative Pauline Masses as “charistmatic Masses?” First, it’s not accurate. Second, it’s troubling that you are attempting to use “charismatic” in a negative manner.

It’s also troubling that you feel the need to flee – that you feel you “don’t belong.” If this is because you label the Pauline Mass as “modernist” than you have big problems that you need to face, rather than hide from.

Based on the comments on this forum, I do see why some bishops refuse to allow the indult or why this limit the indult. It’s horribly devisive because of people like you…

 

[Pariah_Pirana]

usqueadmortem:

RCN,

I am sorry you have had to endure that. We aren’t calling you any names.
But the point is that Traditional Catholics have a distinct identity. Your displeasure at that fact can’t change, and won’t change it. We are attached to the Tridentine liturgy, which is distinct (and very different I might add) from the Pauline Mass.
We are in love with the Tridentine Liturgy, we are relieved from liturgical abuse, and we don’t mind being called Traditional or Tridentine. (In fact, that is how we refer to ourselves)
If you are happy with the Novus Ordo, God be with you! It is valid and error free in its Latin edition! You are just as much as Catholics. You worship the same Christ, you belong to the same Church, you are obedient to the same Pope.

Call us political, heretical, schismatic, scary, divisive…call us whatever you want. May God be praised for the Tridentine Mass and for the Tridentine movement!

God be with you!
Usque.

That “distinct indentity” you are trying to push is more accurately called “divisiveness.”

 

[netmilsmom]

Pariah Pirana:

How about “Catholics” or “Catholic Christians?”

I honestly don’t believe you know how offensive the above posting is.

First, while I attend the Tridentine Mass and the Divine Liturgy on a regular basis, I predominatly attend the normative Pauline Mass. I make it a point not to attend the Sunday charismatic version of the Pauline Mass because it dosen’t fit my preference – although it’s certainly recognized within the greater Catholic Church.

Why does it seem you are trying to label all normative Pauline Masses as “charistmatic Masses?” First, it’s not accurate. Second, it’s troubling that you are attempting to use “charismatic” in a negative manner.

It’s also troubling that you feel the need to flee – that you feel you “don’t belong.” If this is because you label the Pauline Mass as “modernist” than you have big problems that you need to face, rather than hide from.

Based on the comments on this forum, I do see why some bishops refuse to allow the indult or why this limit the indult. It’s horribly devisive because of people like you…

Oh no, I think you misunderstand me friend. I have attended only one TLM mass in my lifetime. I have a 7 & 5 year old. They would not be very well behaved toward the end of a long TLM Holy Mass where they understood very little. l attend a NO Holy Mass with Greek and Latin. It is more like the EWTN Holy Mass.

I am stating that the reason that the people I know go to the TLM here is because our parish is the only one in our Vicariate to offer this type of Holy Mass and when they fought for the right to have it an EWTN type Holy Mass, they were shunned or made fun of.

 

[usqueadmortem]

Pariah Piranna “First, while I attend the Tridentine Mass and the Divine Liturgy on a regular basis, I predominatly attend the normative Pauline Mass.”

Okay, so you are not a traditionalist then. I would like to remind you that there ARE people who exclusively attend the Tridentine Mass, and there ARE legitimate parishes where only the Tridentine Mass is said. This is not to mention the numerous approved congregations that exclusively use the Tridentine Rite. By your standards, they are all divisive, but the Holy Father approved them.

“Based on the comments on this forum, I do see why some bishops refuse to allow the indult or why this limit the indult.”

Well, the Holy Father would disagree with you. In fact he has said the exact opposite.

Pariah, in my diocese, there is a priest who uses raisin muffins for Mass. Down the street from me they bake their own altar bread, and they put molasses in it. Mind you this invalidates the Mass. And the Bishop hasn’t done anything about it. On the whole, faith in the Real Presence has declined **significantly **since the Vatican II. Have you seen the pictures of clown Masses? Do you realize clown ministry is considered legitimate by the director of vocations in my diocese? I am sure you haven’t heard the stories of how hundreds and hundreds of expensive and exquisite pre-Vatican vestiments, Missals, sacred linens, etc. were literally pitched in the garbage after the Vatican Council? Have you had to hear the stories of how countless gorgeous altars were chopped up and thrown out in your nearby city. Do I need to say more?

If you ask me THAT is divisive.

God Bless you if you have had the fortune not to witness these things. I mean it, God Bless you. May your parish prosper! But around here, things are grim.And the only way to repair it is to go back.

Usque.