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Legal definitions cannot be contrary to the moral law and reason or they would be no law at all. There is this false notion that the law is in some way separate from moral truth. If that is the case then Nazi Germany here we come.
Ideally, they are not. In reality, the laws are sometimes in opposition to moral standards. This is sometimes where the dichotomy between church and state become relevant. We see now that the papal nuncio pronounces that there are moral laws which supersede and law of man. He referred specifically to religious freedom.
 
What differentiates one relationship from another is the quality of that relationship. But a subjectively “higher” quality relationship between any two people (vs. their subjective perception of what any other two people posses) does not a marriage make.

“Outside” and “inside” refer to subjective perception. Marriage is defined not by subjective perception but by objective criteria. Don’t have the essentials? You’re not married. All the legislation in the world will not make you married if you do not possess those essentials. It will allow you to pretend at marriage.
Quality comparisons will only work when comparing within the same type. It doesn’t make sense to compare a good friendship with a bad marriage or the bond between siblings to that of two colleagues who get along at work. The point I’m getting at is that a relationship that represents the long-term bond with the understanding of long-term and life-long commitment and mutual dependence, physical intimacy, and a common household that is entitled to social and economic benefits and legal powers is called a marriage when between a man and woman. How is it not a marriage when when two men or two women do the same thing? Should we coin a new word? I know we can’t use existing words like friendship, what I described is not a friendship.

I object to the use of the word pretend. It’s demeaning to married same-sex couples and makes their relationship sound like just a bunch of fun and games that are not really serious. If the two partners are doing everything a male/female married couple is doing but a particular type of physical act that only males and females can perform, how does it change every other part of the relationship? How does it make it “pretend”?
 
Quality comparisons will only work when comparing within the same type. It doesn’t make sense to compare a good friendship with a bad marriage or the bond between siblings to that of two colleagues who get along at work. The point I’m getting at is that a relationship that represents the long-term bond with the understanding of long-term and life-long commitment and mutual dependence, physical intimacy, and a common household that is entitled to social and economic benefits and legal powers is called a marriage when between a man and woman. How is it not a marriage when when two men or two women do the same thing? Should we coin a new word? I know we can’t use existing words like friendship, what I described is not a friendship.
 
What is truly saddening is that now, heterophobia is creeping into the mainstream consciousness.
Many in the media and academics are promoting this form of xenophobia, but because the media owns public perception, it’s accepted as a form of enlightenment by the unthinking kool-aid drinkers who have closed their minds to their promotion of this form of xenophobia in a society where every other form of xenophobia is to be crushed, except this one. What a hypocrisy. It’s the nexus of “the world is overpopulated” and “god doesn’t exist.” It’s scary how many people voted for more of this, but didn’t know it since they were baited by class warfare. Oh, well. Too late now.
 
Many in the media and academics are promoting this form of xenophobia, but because the media owns public perception, it’s accepted as a form of enlightenment by the unthinking kool-aid drinkers who have closed their minds to their promotion of this form of xenophobia in a society where every other form of xenophobia is to be crushed, except this one. What a hypocrisy. It’s the nexus of “the world is overpopulated” and “god doesn’t exist.” It’s scary how many people voted for more of this, but didn’t know it since they were baited by class warfare. Oh, well. Too late now.
Anti-God secular engineering took 40 years to get us to this point. And with God, nothing is impossible.

Pray and hope,
Ed
 
Many in the media and academics are promoting this form of xenophobia, but because the media owns public perception, it’s accepted as a form of enlightenment by the unthinking kool-aid drinkers who have closed their minds to their promotion of this form of xenophobia in a society where every other form of xenophobia is to be crushed, except this one. What a hypocrisy. It’s the nexus of “the world is overpopulated” and “god doesn’t exist.” It’s scary how many people voted for more of this, but didn’t know it since they were baited by class warfare. Oh, well. Too late now.
I’m not sure if it’s the media promoting heterophobia or something else.
 
My take on it is different. We are so inundated with media sources, that every point of view is represented, no matter how diverse. But more than that, these media sources are competing for our attention. Didn’t Ariana Huffington sell her site for $200 million?

So, the pornographers, the Rush Limbaughs, the Huffington’s, the Fox’s, the Daily Show, the religious right, the radical left… it goes on and on… They are all screaming at us, and trying to bring us into their audience. There is money to be made. There is a point of view to be heard. The voices are strident. And, they have learned that if they distort information to match the expectations of their audience, then the audience becomes more loyal… but unfortunately more isolated in the POV of the media provider.

In the case of porn, there are very few youngish people who have not seen enough sexual diversity on the internet, that pretty much anything becomes “normal”.

We live in this world surrounded by distortions, which are passed off to us as if they were truth.

There may be something else at work here. 160 years ago, the Catholic threat was taken very seriously as something that would undermine the Protestant values of the US. Around the same time, it was stated in major publications that the Irish were a similar threat, accounting for 70% of crime. Over time these immigrants assimilated.

Now that their POV is part of the mainstream, then the next generation is taking over, with their POV. This is very disturbing, but it is just the normal evolution of our society. Yesterday’s Catholic is today’s gay person, in that sense. Today’s Catholic is yesterday’s Protestant conservative. Same phenomenon, different players. And the cycle will repeat every few generations.
But, here’s the problem.
I am not sure if this is coming from the media or the actions of the heterophobes themselves.
 
I’m not sure if it’s the media promoting heterophobia or something else.
Of course it is. Once you separate the fake emotional words from the facts in most media stories, you’ll find that it’s mostly about emotion and pagan bias. It’s all good, unless it’s coming from a Christian source. Then it’s all suspect.

Peace,
Ed
 
But, here’s the problem.
I am not sure if this is coming from the media or the actions of the heterophobes themselves.
You missed the point. It works both ways. Heterophobes and homophobes. Just different sides of the same coin created by the media monster.
 
You missed the point. It works both ways. Heterophobes and homophobes. Just different sides of the same coin created by the media monster.
No way. Two separate coins. The media knows what it is doing. Bias does not happen by accident.

Peace,
Ed
 
How is it not a marriage when when two men or two women do the same thing?
Because marriage is not marriage without two different genders. I already explained the reason. It is a contradiction in terms. Further, what an authentically married heterosexual couple “does,” sexually, is not what people of two genders “do,” sexually. Sexual “contact” or “activity” per se does not a marriage make. The “sex” in homosexual behavior is not intercourse. It is a perversion of sexual activity, which is why to glorify it and insitutionalize it is itself a perverted and disordered idea.
Should we coin a new word?
Who’s “we?” (You can do what you like; just don’t expect other people to buy into a fantasy and a pretension.)
what I described is not a friendship.
Homosexual relationships are sexualized friendships. That is, there is sexual attraction involved, and there is friendship as well. The two components together do not equal marriage, nor do they come close to marriage.
I object to the use of the word pretend. It’s demeaning to -]married/-] same-sex couples and makes their relationship sound like just a bunch of fun and games that are not really serious.
It’s not at all fun and games. It’s sad, actually.
If the two partners are doing everything a male/female married couple is doing
They are not doing everything a mae/female married couple is doing. They are not doing so physically, they are not doing so emotionally, because the nature of male/female love is radically different from the nature of male/male and female/female love.

Marriage and romance are two different things. Marriage does not depend on romance, nor is marriage defined by romance, whether that romance is good or bad, healthy or not.

Marriage is not defined by “sexual activity.” The very nature of marriage makes it out of bounds for two people of the same gender. Homosexual relationships are not a pairing of opposite genders; therefore, they can never be married.
 
No way. Two separate coins. The media knows what it is doing. Bias does not happen by accident.

Peace,
Ed
Are you trying to say that the conservative media is not biased, but that the liberal media is? If so, then I would suggest that you might want to reconsider that opinion.
 
“Lincoln”, in the theaters now, is a good movie. It might be relevant to some who are interested in the topic of civil rights, and using “natural law” arguments to support or oppose civil rights for a minority.
 
“Lincoln”, in the theaters now, is a good movie. It might be relevant to some who are interested in the topic of civil rights, and using “natural law” arguments to support or oppose civil rights for a minority.
E,

You know years ago there was a movie called “The Bible”…you read the book, you saw the movie…

Now with Lincoln we read the natural law, we see the movie…and now here it is live the CAF…🙂
 
Because marriage is not marriage without two different genders. I already explained the reason. It is a contradiction in terms. Further, what an authentically married heterosexual couple “does,” sexually, is not what people of two genders “do,” sexually. Sexual “contact” or “activity” per se does not a marriage make. The “sex” in homosexual behavior is not intercourse. It is a perversion of sexual activity, which is why to glorify it and insitutionalize it is itself a perverted and disordered idea.

Who’s “we?” (You can do what you like; just don’t expect other people to buy into a fantasy and a pretension.)

Homosexual relationships are sexualized friendships. That is, there is sexual attraction involved, and there is friendship as well. The two components together do not equal marriage, nor do they come close to marriage.

It’s not at all fun and games. It’s sad, actually.

They are not doing everything a mae/female married couple is doing. They are not doing so physically, they are not doing so emotionally, because the nature of male/female love is radically different from the nature of male/male and female/female love.

Marriage and romance are two different things. Marriage does not depend on romance, nor is marriage defined by romance, whether that romance is good or bad, healthy or not.

Marriage is not defined by “sexual activity.” The very nature of marriage makes it out of bounds for two people of the same gender. Homosexual relationships are not a pairing of opposite genders; therefore, they can never be married.
Marriage is about offspring which is why homosexual relationships can never be marriage. Marriage doesn’t need love.
 
Love is not necessary for it to be a marriage, but it can make marriages much better.
True on both counts.

However, I think perhaps the better distinction (or an additional one) is that romance is not necessary for a marriage to succeed, but that it is difficult for a marriage to “work” without a degree of love in the sense of sacrifice, gift, and virtue.
 
Ideally, they are not. In reality, the laws are sometimes in opposition to moral standards. This is sometimes where the dichotomy between church and state become relevant. We see now that the papal nuncio pronounces that there are moral laws which supersede and law of man. He referred specifically to religious freedom.
Just to be clear any legal definition that contradicts moral truth is no real definition.
 
True on both counts.

However, I think perhaps the better distinction (or an additional one) is that romance is not necessary for a marriage to succeed, but that it is difficult for a marriage to “work” without a degree of love in the sense of sacrifice, gift, and virtue.
Romance and love are so frequently confused in secular society.

that’s what English gets for only having one word for love.

Intimate friendships need agape love to do well too.
 
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