Liberal Catholic Churches

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Have you ever had any expeience with the Liberal Catholic Churches?
 
Do you mean Catholic churches with alot of liberally-minded people in them, or a fake Catholic church? There is a fake Catholic church in my community that has a mission of promoting their political agenda to Catholics. The church is not affiliated with the RCC but they call themselves Catholic in order to confuse Catholics into listening to them.
 
It is merely another schismatic group. The real Saint Catherine of Siena would likely take them out to the woodshed if she was here in the flesh to do so. It takes a special kind of gall to do evil and proclaim it as good.
 
Allegra said:
saintcatherinestl.org/index.html

Here is the website of the fake church. They clearly state in their FAQs that they are a real Catholic church and attempt to suggest that they are an alternative rite to the Roman rite.
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They seem to be an offshoot of the Old Catholic groups.

From their website.
Men **and women **are ordained to the priesthood in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, as the sacrament confers upon the priest the character to act in the person of Christ - in persona Christi.
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I bet our Orthodox bretheren might find that surprising. 😉
 
henrikhank said:
Pax et bonum!
Have you ever had any expeience with the Liberal Catholic Churches?
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can you define what you mean by that term? there is no official body that uses that name, to my knowledge.
there is only one Catholic Church. period. end of sentence.
other bodies, even if they insist on using the term “catholic” are either fully in union with the Pope and therefore fully Catholic, no adjectives. or they are separated willfully from his authority and hence are schismatic. Or they are formal heretics and have been declared such by the Pope.
 
puzzleannie said:
can you define what you mean by that term? there is no official body that uses that name, to my knowledge.
there is only one Catholic Church. period. end of sentence.
other bodies, even if they insist on using the term “catholic” are either fully in union with the Pope and therefore fully Catholic, no adjectives. or they are separated willfully from his authority and hence are schismatic. Or they are formal heretics and have been declared such by the Pope.
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There you go, no ifs or buts. You follow the whole teaching. Read the CCC!
Peace, Carlaln
 
manualman said:
Well there is, actually: liberalcatholic.com/Church_of_St_Francis,_Rector_Site/Why_TLCC.html

They, at least, appear to have SOME pangs of conscience about usurping the name ‘catholic’ by clearly stating that they are separated from Rome. Judging by their website, they’re pretty much separated from christianity too… 😉
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Here’s some more info:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Catholic_Church

It isn’t just that they’re separated from Rome (not a problem for me) and, as the name suggests, liberal. Specifically, they’re way too much into theosophy and reincarnation for me. But if someone were looking for a meld of Christianity and New Age ideas, well, they seem to have that covered.
 
henrikhank said:
Pax et bonum!
Have you ever had any expeience with the Liberal Catholic Churches?
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Can you elaborate more on what you mean by this? I am curious, because I am aware of One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, but not a division within it known as liberal.
 
No, but my mom has. My mom (lifetime Lutheran) received the Eucharist in a Catholic Church when she was in college (or so she says ;). It is possible it was an Old Catholic Church or something) :eek:.
 
The term “Liberal Catholic” is particularly galling. I have met a few of them. They are really closer to being Theosophical Anglicans than Liberal Catholics. Sort of Anglicanism of the early 20th Century tinged with what then would be sort of new-age.

The only problem is when they say they are Catholic and cause confusion or more among both Catholics and non-Catholic. There was a Liberal Catholic priest going around saying he was a Catholic priest in the Bay Area a number of years ago.
Allegra said:
stsclareandfrancis.org/site/welcome-to-sts-clare-francis

This is another fake Catholic church, but at least they have the charity to say so on their website, right on the homepage.
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Actually, there are several churches in the U,S. which are called Catholic.

Here is one:

accus.us/

Peace,

Seeker
 
Some of the things that I think is galling is to see a Clown Mass or Liturgical Dance in either Catholic or Lutheran Churches.
 
seeker57 said:
Actually, there are several churches in the U,S. which are called Catholic.

Here is one:

accus.us/

Peace,

Seeker
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They call themselves Catholic, but if you read the “about the accus” link they have a disclaimer stating that they are not under the jurisdiction of the Roman Catholic Church, therefore not in full communion with the Pope. They can claim to be Catholic all they want, doesn’t mean that they are.
 
puzzleannie said:
can you define what you mean by that term? there is no official body that uses that name, to my knowledge.
there is only one Catholic Church. period. end of sentence.
other bodies, even if they insist on using the term “catholic” are either fully in union with the Pope and therefore fully Catholic, no adjectives. or they are separated willfully from his authority and hence are schismatic. Or they are formal heretics and have been declared such by the Pope.
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I am talking aboout the independent Catholic Churches who call themselve Liberal Catholic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Catholic_Church
Here in Sweden many Catholic Priest say things about the Liberal Catholic Churches that are not always so true.
Some say they ae not even Christian. Why would they not be Chistians?
I mean, how Christian are the Lutherans who think same sex marriages are awesome?
manualman said:
Judging by their website, they’re pretty much separated from christianity too… 😉
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please explain
Usbek_de_Perse said:
The term “Liberal Catholic” is particularly galling. I have met a few of them. They are really closer to being Theosophical Anglicans than Liberal Catholics. Sort of Anglicanism of the early 20th Century tinged with what then would be sort of new-age.
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what do you mean?
I have met Liberal Catholics here in Sweden and they seem to be people who are open to other religions but many of them practise Roman Catholic Devotion and most of them dislike the modern Catholic Mass.
seeker57 said:
Actually, there are several churches in the U,S. which are called Catholic.
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and many Independet Orthodox churches as well?
mwok said:
They call themselves Catholic, but if you read the “about the accus” link they have a disclaimer stating that they are not under the jurisdiction of the Roman Catholic Church, therefore not in full communion with the Pope. They can claim to be Catholic all they want, doesn’t mean that they are.
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they are not in communion with Rome but they are accepting the fact that Benedict XVI could be the Pope as they ussualy are open to the fact that all religions lead to God
 
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