Liberal Clergy Praise Planned Parenthood 'Doing God's Work'

[Pythons]

these maggots would have also claimed Hitler was doing God’s work…
…There is essentially NOTHING different about their thought process.
…Declare someone a “non-person” to justify murder.

All the while you can read in the news papers that someone can be charged with murder if they attack a woman and she looses the Baby “she wanted”! God help us as a society.

 

[CatholicWhovian]

In what way is supporting the murder of innocent lives and then the harvesting and selling off of the HUMAN remains showing integrity?!

in·teg·ri·ty
noun

1. the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.

There is no conservative or liberal side to this debate, there is however a RIGHT and WRONG side in this debate.

Well society’s notion of moral principles seems to be based on whether it’s allowed or not. So if you make prostitution legal does it make it moral?

And yes, the right to life goes BEYOND ideological lines. I don’t know why you Americans think in blocks when it comes to issues that are supposed to cross beyond ideologies like abortion. It’s not conducive to any form of civil discourse. And if I may be frank, this close-minded attitude from both sides of the political spectrum is really, really annoying.

For example here is an article I’ve found from a self-proclaimed liberal who has joined the pro-life movement:
feministsforlife.org/metamorphosis-sharon-b-long/

 

[openmind77]

Conservative, liberal, right wing, left wing, chicken wing has nothing to do with it. Abortion denies a human being the right to life, and, without the right to life, all other rights are meaningless.

It is true the fetus has rights, but it is also true the pregnant woman has a right to control her own body. The question is how we can balance these two rights.

This issue is so divisive that there is really no way to settle it or to argue about it in a reasonable way.

But luckily for all us, the Christ will be returning to earth very soon - maybe in less than a year. Then he can tell us how we can balance the rights of a fetus and the rights of a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. Just don’t be too sure that he will agree with you a 100 percent.

 

[drac16]

When it comes to persons who sell a child’s body parts, their condemnation is just. I’m convinced that Shaytan is laughing at the pro-choicers because he’s using it [abortion] to take people down to Hell. He doesn’t believe it’s right, but he’s glad many people do.

 

[openmind77]

When it comes to persons who sell a child’s body parts, their condemnation is just. I’m convinced that Shaytan is laughing at the pro-choicers because he’s using it [abortion] to take people down to Hell. He doesn’t believe it’s right, but he’s glad many people do.

As I understand it (perhaps you know better), they don’t charge for body parts - doing that is illegal in the US. They charge for processing and delivery of the parts which is actually not that much. But it is probably perfectly OK to spread lies about them, since they are so obviously guilty of violating God’s law.

 

[drac16]

As I understand it (perhaps you know better), they don’t charge for body parts - doing that is illegal in the US. They charge for processing and delivery of the parts which is actually not that much. But it is probably perfectly OK to spread lies about them, since they are so obviously guilty of violating God’s law.

Why are you assuming that PP cares about what is lawful? If you watch the hidden camera video, which has gone viral, you will see that I wasn’t lying about anything.
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[St_Francis]

As I understand it (perhaps you know better), they don’t charge for body parts - doing that is illegal in the US. They charge for processing and delivery of the parts which is actually not that much. But it is probably perfectly OK to spread lies about them, since they are so obviously guilty of violating God’s law.

The fact that something is not illegal in the US does not mean that it is moral.

PP may not receive a direct financial profit from this aspect of their activities, but they do benefit. The research facilities they supply will support PP’s requests for government funding, for example, and the claim of helping medical research will be used to justify keeping abortion legal.

Not to mention that $100 is kinda high for S&H, no?

 

[openmind77]

The fact that something is not illegal in the US does not mean that it is moral.

PP may not receive a direct financial profit from this aspect of their activities, but they do benefit. The research facilities they supply will support PP’s requests for government funding, for example, and the claim of helping medical research will be used to justify keeping abortion legal.

Not to mention that $100 is kinda high for S&H, no?

$100 is high for S&H ? Organs have to be carefully frozen and hand carried - they are not dropped at the nearest post office. I don’t know which part of the world you live in that you think that $100 is a high price for anything in the health care industry.

 

[benjohnson]

$100 is high for S&H ? Organs have to be carefully frozen and hand carried - they are not dropped at the nearest post office. I don’t know which part of the world you live in that you think that $100 is a high price for anything in the health care industry.

Where PP is going to get creamed is that the S&H charges varied by organ - some were more valuable than others.

These were not transplant organs and basically were lab specimins: bag, cold pack, insulate, and ship next day. S&H should have been on a per pound or volume basis if PP was being honest.

And where PP is really going to get creamed is that they modified the abortion procedure by presenting the child in a breach position and crushing around valuable body parts at the risk on the Mother so as to harvest more valuable and complete baby part

(I feel a bit queasy writing this. I used to be pro-choice. God have mercy.)

 

[openmind77]

Where PP is going to get creamed is that the S&H charges varied by organ - some were more valuable than others.

These were not transplant organs and basically were lab specimins: bag, cold pack, insulate, and ship next day. S&H should have been on a per pound or volume basis if PP was being honest.

And where PP is really going to get creamed is that they modified the abortion procedure by presenting the child in a breach position and crushing around valuable body parts at the risk on the Mother so as to harvest more valuable and complete baby part

(I feel a bit queasy writing this. I used to be pro-choice. God have mercy.)

If they did anything even slightly illegal I am sure they will face charges - there are many, many prosecutors who are not shy about pressing charges if there is the slightest chance of success. In this case they will get the gratitude of the entire anti-abortion community, so I am sure they will jump on it. Although I don’t see any problem with using body parts for research or transplant, as long as it is not illegal.

 

[benjohnson]

Although I don’t see any problem with using body parts for research or transplant, as long as it is not illegal.

It’s illegal to harvest parts without consent - this should be extended to all humans, especially those that can’t speak for themselves yet.

 

[JustaServant]

It’s illegal to harvest parts without consent - this should be extended to all humans, especially those that can’t speak for themselves yet.

I seriously cannot understand how anyone can defend PP at this point.

 

[estesbob]

I realize PP is not in any way popular here and any support shown whatsoever for the organization is shot down by Catholics and those of other faith communities with a more conservative bend to them. So I’ll just say I think this is merely another one of the differences among Christians. Conservatives look at PP and see primarily contraception and abortion. Liberal clergy apparently see beyond the objections conservatives have to PP and see the many more services that indeed PP has provided to many people toward their health care. We must remember that not all Christians share the same views, including on such issues as contraception, abortion or stem cell research.

One can find a Christian denomination that supports just about anything. And therein lies the problem. There are either absolute truths or there are not. Since the so-called reformation diverse groups of people who claim to follow Jesus Christ have banded together and have created a god in their own image and likeness and surprise surprise that god just happen to agree with them on everything they believe . They are comfortable with throwing out 2000 years of teachings because that is what the current culture demands of them and then sneer the Catholic Church as just one other denomination who’s views really dont matter anymore than any other denominations does .

Sad part is we absolutely knowb but Jesus thinks about this:

  13Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. 14But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” 15After laying His hands on them, He departed from there.

Of course I know that many denominations have new improved definition of what constitutes a child just as I they have new improved definitions of what constitutes a marriage, all of which was inevitable once people decided that faith and morals were determined by the current culture .

I’ll be honest, as one who has strived his whole life to honor the Lord and live according to the precepts he laid out, I am absolutely stunned that anybody who claims to know Jesus Christ would support chopping babies into little pieces and selling their parts for the highest bidder . I am shocked that anybody who claims to know Jesus Christ would claim this is okay because it serves some greater good. May God have mercy on this country. We are going to need it

 

[estesbob]

As I understand it (perhaps you know better), they don’t charge for body parts - doing that is illegal in the US. They charge for processing and delivery of the parts which is actually not that much. But it is probably perfectly OK to spread lies about them, since they are so obviously guilty of violating God’s law.

So if all they’re charging for is processing and delivery of body parts why was their fee based on what body part was being shipped? Does it cost more to ship a liver than a foot. Why was the fee the same even when the parts were picked up at their facility rather than being shipped?

 

[openmind77]

So if all they’re charging for is processing and delivery of body parts why was their fee based on what body part was being shipped? Does it cost more to ship a liver than a foot. Why was the fee the same even when the parts were picked up at their facility rather than being shipped?

The fee was apparently between $30 and $100. For a body part that amount as far as I can tell is nominal. This is hardly a money making business.

 

[openmind77]

It’s illegal to harvest parts without consent - this should be extended to all humans, especially those that can’t speak for themselves yet.

As far as I know the consent of the patients involved was indeed taken. Even you consider the fetus is a baby, if a minor dies, donating of organs just needs the consent of the parents.

 

[estesbob]

The fee was apparently between $30 and $100. For a body part that amount as far as I can tell is nominal. This is hardly a money making business.

PP kills about 325,000 children a year.they can sell the liver ,and
brain separately from the other tissues so lets
just assume 3 sales from each dead baby So that’s 975,000 times $100 or 90,million dollars This is on top of the some 400 million they made from killing the babies in the first place Looks like a money making business to me

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

As far as I know the consent of the patients involved was indeed taken. Even you consider the fetus is a baby, if a minor dies, donating of organs just needs the consent of the parents.

Just so I understand your position: You’re okay with parents going to Planned Parenthood to have a procedure performed which will cause a minor’s death and that the organs of that minor may be donated for scientific research.

 

[campeador]

As far as I know the consent of the patients involved was indeed taken. Even you consider the fetus is a baby, if a minor dies, donating of organs just needs the consent of the parents.

So, the father of the child must also consent? Is PP contacting the father of these aborted children and obtaining consent?

 

[openmind77]

Just so I understand your position: You’re okay with parents going to Planned Parenthood to have a procedure performed which will cause a minor’s death and that the organs of that minor may be donated for scientific research.

The decision is between the parents and the doctor, it really is not my business to judge or ‘to be OK with it’.

As I said before - when the Christ returns (in maybe less than a year), he can be judge on how the rights of the fetus can be balanced against the rights of the mother with an unwanted pregnancy. I have no right it to pass my own judgement on whose rights matter more.