Liberal Clergy Praise Planned Parenthood 'Doing God's Work'

[openmind77]

PP kills about 325,000 children a year.they can sell the liver ,and
brain separately from the other tissues so lets
just assume 3 sales from each dead baby So that’s 975,000 times $100 or 90,million dollars This is on top of the some 400 million they made from killing the babies in the first place Looks like a money making business to me

A majority of these do not involve any organ donation. In any case compared to the cost of the operating room, doctor, nurses etc, $30 to $100 is peanuts.

 

[Jeanne_S]

A majority of these do not involve any organ donation. In any case compared to the cost of the operating room, doctor, nurses etc, $30 to $100 is peanuts.

You are missing the larger point.PP killing babies n the womb,is in and of itself,an immoral scourge on our society.That they have pushed the parameters to include tissue and organ harvestng is beyond sinful and immoral.

 

[spedteacherita]

I thought this being a non Catholic subforum, it was where respectful discussion could take place about the views of both the Catholic faith and those of other faiths. And we could learn about others. But I do see there doesn’t seem to me to be much interest on this thread in doing that so maybe I was wrong. And sorry if in doing so I offended anyone.

Lutheran here and I abhor what they do! Instead of killing babies and selling their parts, how about counseling young men and women to NOT get in the position to consider abortion. Unfortunately, abstinence is not considered a plausible form of “planning parenthood.” Let’s wait until we’ve actually had sex and then do away with a human life. Scripture supports life at conception - I’m sure all have heard or read Psalm 139:

Psalm 139New King James Version (NKJV)

God’s Perfect Knowledge of Man
For the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.

1 O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
2 You know my sitting down and my rising up;
You understand my thought afar off.
3 You comprehend my path and my lying down,
And are acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word on my tongue,
But behold, O Lord, You know it altogether.
5 You have hedged me behind and before,
And laid Your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
It is high, I cannot attain it.
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning,
And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
10 Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall[a] on me,”
Even the night shall be light about me;
12 Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You,
But the night shines as the day;
The darkness and the light are both alike to You.
13 B]For You formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.
14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,****
When as yet there were none of them.
17 How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God!
How great is the sum of them!
18 If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand;
When I awake, I am still with You.
19 Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God!
Depart from me, therefore, you bloodthirsty men.
20 For they speak against You wickedly;
Your enemies take Your name in vain.[c]
21 Do I not hate them, O Lord, who hate You?
And do I not loathe those who rise up against You?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred;
I count them my enemies.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;
Try me, and know my anxieties;
24 And see if there is any wicked way in me,
And lead me in the way everlasting.

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+139

 

[spedteacherita]

It is true the fetus has rights, but it is also true the pregnant woman has a right to control her own body. The question is how we can balance these two rights.

This issue is so divisive that there is really no way to settle it or to argue about it in a reasonable way.

But luckily for all us, the Christ will be returning to earth very soon - maybe in less than a year. Then he can tell us how we can balance the rights of a fetus and the rights of a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. Just don’t be too sure that he will agree with you a 100 percent.

A woman can control her body without getting pregnant and resort to killing a baby - there’s something called abstinence. Where are we going wrong if we can’t get that type of education out to these women? Perhaps we’re not talking about spiritual consequences as we teach our girls who become young women. Perhaps we’re letting our media ‘teach’ our children what is appropriate social behavior? I know there are a lot of other factors and these only touch a few factors in this abhorrent problem.

God bless,

Rita

 

[openmind77]

A woman can control her body without getting pregnant and resort to killing a baby - there’s something called abstinence. Where are we going wrong if we can’t get that type of education out to these women? Perhaps we’re not talking about spiritual consequences as we teach our girls who become young women. Perhaps we’re letting our media ‘teach’ our children what is appropriate social behavior? I know there are a lot of other factors and these only touch a few factors in this abhorrent problem.

God bless,

Rita

Nobody is stopping you or anyone else teaching or promoting abstinence. There are even federal funds allocated for this purpose.

 

[openmind77]

You are missing the larger point.PP killing babies n the womb,is in and of itself,an immoral scourge on our society.That they have pushed the parameters to include tissue and organ harvestng is beyond sinful and immoral.

We should talk about one thing at a time. If your point is about sinful and immoral acts. then I would rather let the Christ determine which acts are sinful and immoral.

For all we know, harassing someone, especially a poor woman, who seeks to terminate an unwanted pregnancy and making her life miserable may not be as praiseworthy in God’s eyes as you might think.

Luckily for us the Christ will be here soon and he will settle this question so we all know what each one of us is supposed to do regarding this divisive issue.

 

[estesbob]

A majority of these do not involve any organ donation. In any case compared to the cost of the operating room, doctor, nurses etc, $30 to $100 is peanuts.

So it’s OK to chop up babies and sell them piecemeal as long as you don’t make what you consider to be a lot of money out of it?

 

[spedteacherita]

Nobody is stopping you or anyone else teaching or promoting abstinence. There are even federal funds allocated for this purpose.

At the time I was teaching, the high school was not allowed or encouraged with monies to teach abstinence as an effective way of avoiding unplanned pregnancy. I taught in a poverty-stricken area where monies were difficult to come by.

 

[openmind77]

So it’s OK to chop up babies and sell them piecemeal as long as you don’t make what you consider to be a lot of money out of it?

Like I said whether it is OK or not is decided by two things - is it legal? For which we have laws and state and federal departments to enforce them. In this case no charges have been filed and I doubt if any will be.

The second thing - is it immoral in the eyes of God? I think that issue will be decided soon when the Christ returns. You can then ask him this very question.

All I can say is that the amounts involved were relatively small, not a real money making business for an organization which essentially caters to poor women who can not afford these services from a regular hospital. People like me and you (presumably you are middle class) do not need Planned Parenthood.

 

[Mark121359]

It’s been interesting to say the least reading some of the many posts on the various threads about Planned Parenthood of late. Most surprising though, are the many who are seemingly defending PP…even fellow Catholics. Far be it from me to judge any human being, that’s God’s business, not mine. But we are called to judge people’s actions and words…no? That said, consider PP’s founder, Margaret Sanger. Oh boy, what words she spoke! I can’t help but wonder, if you truly knew what this woman said and stood for, and the chilling fact that PP to this very day champions and reveres her…would you still defend this organization? Here’s just a sampling of her views;

"They are…human weeds,’ ‘reckless breeders,’…we are paying for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all.”

"The government ought to “apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.”
Margaret Sanger on minorities, immigrants, the sick and the disabled

“I never liked to look at Jesus on the Cross. I could not see any good it did to keep looking at him. We could not help him, as he had been crucified long ago.”
Margaret Sanger about Christ

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“Our objective is unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children… Women must have the right to live … to love… to be lazy … to be an unmarried mother … to create… to destroy… The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order… The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

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“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. And the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

“As an advocate of birth control I wish… to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the ‘unfit’ and the ‘fit,’ admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation."

“On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.”

“Birth Control is not merely an individual problem; it is not merely a national question, it concerns the whole wide world, the ultimate destiny of the human race.
Hordes of people are born, who live, yet who have done absolutely nothing to advance the race one iota. Their lives are hopeless repetitions… Such human weeds clog up the path, drain up the energies and the resources of this little earth. We must clear the way for a better world; we must cultivate our garden.”

Peace, Mark

 

[Jeanne_S]

We should talk about one thing at a time. If your point is about sinful and immoral acts. then I would rather let the Christ determine which acts are sinful and immoral.

For all we know, harassing someone, especially a poor woman, who seeks to terminate an unwanted pregnancy and making her life miserable may not be as praiseworthy in God’s eyes as you might think.

Luckily for us the Christ will be here soon and he will settle this question so we all know what each one of us is supposed to do regarding this divisive issue.

Who said anything about harassing women wanting to terminate a pregnancy?Lest you forget,killing babies whether in or outside the womb is against God’s fifth commandment.

 

[openmind77]

Who said anything about harassing women wanting to terminate a pregnancy?Lest you forget,killing babies whether in or outside the womb is against God’s fifth commandment.

Don’t you think shutting down Planned Parenthood will make life very difficult for poor women who want to terminate a pregnancy? For many that is the only choice they have.

I don’t know of any quote from the Christ that talks about abortion (that does not mean anyone outside the womb) or even from the rest of the Bible.

 

[Duane1966]

Don’t you think shutting down Planned Parenthood will make life very difficult for poor women who want to terminate a pregnancy? For many that is the only choice they have.

I don’t know of any quote from the Christ that talks about abortion (that does not mean anyone outside the womb) or even from the rest of the Bible.

Why is it the only choice they have?

 

[SuperLuigi]

As I said I understand this is a conservative forum and therefore expected no less of the reaction presented in this post and in others. We in faith are free to believe as it is that we understand God. And I understand the passion that is found on both sides of this debate and rhetoric is used. But whether we believe it should be or not, under civil law abortion is not considered to be the murder of people.

How exactly is this forum conservative? In terms of what?

 

[SuperLuigi]

Don’t you think shutting down Planned Parenthood will make life very difficult for poor women who want to terminate a pregnancy? For many that is the only choice they have.

I don’t know of any quote from the Christ that talks about abortion (that does not mean anyone outside the womb) or even from the rest of the Bible.

He also didn’t specifically talk about child pornography or terrorism…

 

[SuperLuigi]

So it’s OK to chop up babies and sell them piecemeal as long as you don’t make what you consider to be a lot of money out of it?

This really isn’t about babies for the side supporting PP; it’s about politics and making sure the Democratic Party base & donors show up for 2016 election.

 

[JustaServant]

Don’t you think shutting down Planned Parenthood will make life very difficult for poor women who want to terminate a pregnancy? For many that is the only choice they have.

I don’t know of any quote from the Christ that talks about abortion (that does not mean anyone outside the womb) or even from the rest of the Bible.

Murder is a choice?

 

[Jeanne_S]

This really isn’t about babies for the side supporting PP; it’s about politics and making sure the Democratic Party base & donors show up for 2016 election.

Pretty much.God has long been taken out of the equation ,so everything is on the table in terms of deviant behavior and the resulting mental gymnastics required to justify such.

 

[openmind77]

Murder is a choice?

In almost all countries in the world, the termination of a pregnancy is not considered murder and nothing that the Christ has said indicates otherwise.

 

[openmind77]

I don’t think any Hindu text refers to abortion and neither does the Bible,