Liberal Clergy Praise Planned Parenthood 'Doing God's Work'

[CatholicHockey7]

It is true the fetus has rights, but it is also true the pregnant woman has a right to control her own body. The question is how we can balance these two rights.

This issue is so divisive that there is really no way to settle it or to argue about it in a reasonable way.

But luckily for all us, the Christ will be returning to earth very soon - maybe in less than a year. Then he can tell us how we can balance the rights of a fetus and the rights of a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. Just don’t be too sure that he will agree with you a 100 percent.

A woman may have a right to control HER body, but from the moment of conception the fetus is a unique entity. If it were the woman’s body, it would have her DNA and blood type. Yet at the moment of conception the fetus has a unique DNA profile. After about 18 days the child has a beating heart, and at about 21 days it has its own blood type.

So at what point do we cease to view the child as part of the woman’s body?

$100 is high for S&H ? Organs have to be carefully frozen and hand carried - they are not dropped at the nearest post office. I don’t know which part of the world you live in that you think that $100 is a high price for anything in the health care industry.

The fee was apparently between $30 and $100. For a body part that amount as far as I can tell is nominal. This is hardly a money making business.

Abby Johnson, pro-life advocate and former director of a Planned Parenthood clinic, testified before the Texas Senate committee on Health and Human Services. Her remarks start at around 2:30:00.

To summarize: her clinic charged the biotech firm $200 per specimen, while shipping & handling costs were only about $5-10 per specimen. Sometimes the firm would send representatives to pick up the specimen, meaning there was no cost to the clinic.

She estimated the clinic could make at least $120,000 per year in PROFITS through this arrangement.

Now we can say this is one director of one clinic partnering with one firm, and try to say the relationship might be different elsewhere, but that’s just ignoring the issue.

 

[Jeanne_S]

In the state of Colorado a woman was cut open and her “fetus” was killed. The woman who did it is being charged with attempted murder, but there are no charges for killing the child because Colorado law doesn’t consider it a life unless it can be proven the child took a breath outside the womb.

cnn.com/2015/03/27/us/colorado-craigslist-fetus-abduction/

What were you saying about it being illegal everywhere?

According to the perps husband,the baby did in fact take a breath.This was shot down right out of the gate because the implications were far too indicting for the pro aborts here in the Mile High City,of Rocky Mountain High,Colo. They would have to recognize the humanity of the unborn…no,can’t do that,have to be able to kill those babies,oops,I mean non babies all for the sake of the right to choose.

 

[meltzerboy]

I don’t think any Hindu text refers to abortion and neither does the Bible,

In Judaism, the Torah’s view on abortion, as interpreted and commented on in the Talmud, is not quite as absolute as that of the Catholic Church. The former view is complex and nuanced, which perhaps distinguishes it from the views of many other religions, including most of the various forms of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and (I believe) Hinduism.

 

[openmind77]

In the state of Colorado a woman was cut open and her “fetus” was killed. The woman who did it is being charged with attempted murder, but there are no charges for killing the child because Colorado law doesn’t consider it a life unless it can be proven the child took a breath outside the womb.

cnn.com/2015/03/27/us/colorado-craigslist-fetus-abduction/

What were you saying about it being illegal everywhere?

Try cutting up some one even when they are not pregnant - you will get prosecuted. Whether the charges are murder or not for killing a fetus, it is still illegal and you will be punished.

 

[openmind77]

A woman may have a right to control HER body, but from the moment of conception the fetus is a unique entity. If it were the woman’s body, it would have her DNA and blood type. Yet at the moment of conception the fetus has a unique DNA profile. After about 18 days the child has a beating heart, and at about 21 days it has its own blood type.

So at what point do we cease to view the child as part of the woman’s body?

Abby Johnson, pro-life advocate and former director of a Planned Parenthood clinic, testified before the Texas Senate committee on Health and Human Services. Her remarks start at around 2:30:00.

To summarize: her clinic charged the biotech firm $200 per specimen, while shipping & handling costs were only about $5-10 per specimen. Sometimes the firm would send representatives to pick up the specimen, meaning there was no cost to the clinic.

She estimated the clinic could make at least $120,000 per year in PROFITS through this arrangement.

Now we can say this is one director of one clinic partnering with one firm, and try to say the relationship might be different elsewhere, but that’s just ignoring the issue.

Like I said before, it is illegal to sell body parts for a profit, you can only charge for expenses. If PP has done it, they will get charged. Apparently the prosecutors are not as smart as you, so maybe you should provide them your analysis?

 

[openmind77]

In Judaism, the Torah’s view on abortion, as interpreted and commented on in the Talmud, is not quite as absolute as that of the Catholic Church. The former view is complex and nuanced, which perhaps distinguishes it from the views of many other religions, including most of the various forms of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and (I believe) Hinduism.

Nuanced are not, just being anti-abortion does not make you virtuous or pious as some of them think themselves to be.

Just as these people are anti-abortion, I am anti-death penalty (regardless of what all religions may say).

When someone like the Christ returns, all such issues - abortion, death penalty etc will be cleared and settled with some authority.

 

[estesbob]

They have mouths, but they do not speak;
They have eyes, but they do not see;
They have ears, but they do not hear,

Ps: 135. 16-17

I’m not referring to the Unborn . Sometimes our minds are so open our brains fall out.

 

[openmind77]

They have mouths, but they do not speak;
They have eyes, but they do not see;
They have ears, but they do not hear,

Ps: 135. 16-17

I’m not referring to the Unborn . Sometimes our minds are so open our brains fall out.

Is this the Psalm that praises the Lord for killing all the first born and destroying many nations and killing all their citizens? Yep, the Christ really needs to explain that to us, among other things.

 

[CatholicHockey7]

Try cutting up some one even when they are not pregnant - you will get prosecuted. Whether the charges are murder or not for killing a fetus, it is still illegal and you will be punished.

Now you’re changing your comment. You said the killing of the fetus was illegal. I proved you wrong. Now you’re saying that you’re right because the woman is being charged for a DIFFERENT crime. That’s not how this works. just admit you were wrong and let it go.

Like I said before, it is illegal to sell body parts for a profit, you can only charge for expenses. If PP has done it, they will get charged. Apparently the prosecutors are not as smart as you, so maybe you should provide them your analysis?

Again you’re not following what I’ve said and are instead trying to shift the conversation. I’ve said nothing about legality or added any of my own analysis. I’ve simply provided evidence that directly contradicted your statements. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[openmind77]

Now you’re changing your comment. You said the killing of the fetus was illegal. I proved you wrong. Now you’re saying that you’re right because the woman is being charged for a DIFFERENT crime. That’s not how this works. just admit you were wrong and let it go.

Again you’re not following what I’ve said and are instead trying to shift the conversation. I’ve said nothing about legality or added any of my own analysis. I’ve simply provided evidence that directly contradicted your statements. Nothing more, nothing less.

You are quite right. Your lucid arguments are beyond my comprehension.

Sorry - some of us are just a bit slow.

 

[JustaServant]

Yep, the Christ really needs to explain that to us, among other things.

Christ already has.
He does it through HIS Church, which has the authority given to her by Him.

 

[openmind77]

Christ already has.
He does it through HIS Church, which has the authority given to her by Him.

I do understand that that is what you believe. But I am sure you will also agree that the Christ has the final say on what is moral.

Just don’t expect the Christ when he returns to agree with everything that the Church says, even if that is your current belief. You may be very surprised and disappointed in some of the differences - but many others (including those of other religions) will be in a similar position.

 

[Usige]

I do understand that that is what you believe. But I am sure you will also agree that the Christ has the final say on what is moral.

Just don’t expect the Christ when he returns to agree with everything that the Church says, even if that is your current belief. You may be very surprised and disappointed in some of the differences - but many others (including those of other religions) will be in a similar position.

Perhaps you are right, but for me personally, I pity those that will have to explain how they championed ripping the most innocent apart because they were inconvenient. You can never convince me that Christ will just shrug off the sheer evil of ripping apart a living child.

And yes they are a living children. I have ultrasound images of one of my children at 8 weeks where it’s head, beating heart, arms, legs and body are clearly visible. It is only possible to get their organs by killing them. Why do you think Planned Infanticide fights against showing women ultrasounds before abortions? Because no person that sees an ultrasound of an 8 week old baby can truthfully say it’s just a mass of cells.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I do understand that that is what you believe. But I am sure you will also agree that the Christ has the final say on what is moral.

Just don’t expect the Christ when he returns to agree with everything that the Church says, even if that is your current belief. You may be very surprised and disappointed in some of the differences - but many others (including those of other religions) will be in a similar position.

I feel pretty confident in saying that Christ does not condone the killing of nascent human life.That the body parts of these innocent souls are being haggled over and sold to the highest bidder makes Our Lord weep.

 

[anthrogirl]

Read more at christianpost.com/news/liberal-clergy-praise-planned-parenthood-doing-gods-work-142117/#RP7O3HUIQpX5I4F5.99

In high school, I worked at the frozen food distribution center. We serviced grocery stores in NJ and NY. We also stored frozen human placenta. That was 30+years ago. Human tissue to be used to medical research, including tissue from child birth and abortions, is a practice that’s been around a long time. We also harvest organs from live people such as kidneys as well as from clinically dead and recently dead people. It’s funny how people are just beginning to realize this. There have been many advances in medical research because of this practice and hopefully with continued donations, we can help those suffering from Parkinsons, Alzheimers, cancer, etc.

What’s also funny is how people thought that PP was “selling” fetal parts. They were donating them with written and legal consent of the donors. The money they discussed was to recoup their costs. Assumptions that they were “selling” is pure conjecture and according to experts, the $$$ they were discussing in the video would certainly not yield any profit for PP.

I don’t want to die. I don’t want these babies to die. But until we stop dying and until we stop aborting our babies, we should offer up our dead or dying flesh to help others. There is nothing noble or Christ like in allowing the sick to suffer in order to satisfy our own sensibilities. Innocents suffering from disease are no less of a concern than innocent fetuses. That’s because Catholics do not judge or pick/choose which innocents are more important. We’re not God. To let both suffer due to our need to engage in power plays is just plain sinful.

By the way…I banked the cord blood of all of my children. The harvesting cost was steep. But for as much as I paid, I had to agree that some of the blood would go to research.

 

[openmind77]

Perhaps you are right, but for me personally, I pity those that will have to explain how they championed ripping the most innocent apart because they were inconvenient. You can never convince me that Christ will just shrug off the sheer evil of ripping apart a living child.

And yes they are a living children. I have ultrasound images of one of my children at 8 weeks where it’s head, beating heart, arms, legs and body are clearly visible. It is only possible to get their organs by killing them. Why do you think Planned Infanticide fights against showing women ultrasounds before abortions? Because no person that sees an ultrasound of an 8 week old baby can truthfully say it’s just a mass of cells.

Of course I will never be able to convince you of anything.

Let us hope that when the Christ himself returns, you will let him explain to you the nuances of what is right and just. How everyone has rights that need to be respected. And in this particular scenario you are merely a spectator and not authorized by him to pass judgement on any of the parties involved.

 

[anthrogirl]

Nuanced are not, just being anti-abortion does not make you virtuous or pious as some of them think themselves to be.

Just as these people are anti-abortion, I am anti-death penalty (regardless of what all religions may say).

When someone like the Christ returns, all such issues - abortion, death penalty etc will be cleared and settled with some authority.

I agree that Christ will have his hands full with us Catholics when he returns. We are certainly a humanly sinful religion and we are a mess. We are bigoted, sexist and in many cases the epitome of anti-love and hate. But you know, we are trying. Here in the US, we like to execute God’s children because our desires for revenge override the unconditional commandment of thou shall not kill. Our humanly sinful church made up conditions so we could make ourselves feel better. Same with shooting dead the thief who comes to rob our jewelry and TV as if our personal home and property is more valuable than the life God created. We are so off the charts in so many ways. But we recognize our imperfect church and we do try to do better… every day. Our current pope is trying to get us to stop being so me-me oriented and open our eyes to our obligations to our fellow humans and planet. Our church is using our weekly donations to do great work when it comes to combating global warming, AIDS and poverty. Our church, in the US and abroad, is lobbying governments to spend more money on the sick, the elderly, the poor, the uneducated. We are out there doing really good stuff. Hopefully…in the balance of it all, we will come out on the side of light.

 

[benjohnson]

That’s the second time you said that.
You know something about the return of Christ the rest of us unwashed do not?

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:36)

I’ll ask my priest to double check, but it looks like God the Father is a pro-choice Hindu that likes to spend time on internet forums.

 

[benjohnson]

In Judaism, the Torah’s view on abortion, as interpreted and commented on in the Talmud, is not quite as absolute as that of the Catholic Church.

The various Jewish teachings on abortion that I have seen are compassionate, considerate, and is grounded the various legitimate difficulties of the situations we find ourselves in our lives.

Hoever, such nuance, deliberation, and wisdom can’t be mistaken for the abortion industry in the United States that has preyed on minorities and the poor and terminated over 50,000,000 fetuses (generally for convenience) in the lat 40 years.

Planned Parenthood was started by a eugenic psychopath, and it’s my firm believe that my Jewish friends, who I consider very wise and considerate, will continue to turn away form such horror as the facts become evident.

 

[josh987654321]

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Abortion is pure evil, and I am amazed at people who try to defend it. This is not a grey area**!**
Extract from the book My Broken Christ Walks Over The Waters:

loveandmercy.org/Eng-MBC-Reg.pdf
(Roman Catholic Imprimatur)

Ladies, you who promote abortion or abortions that seek to snatch from the Author and Lord of life His legitimate and sole rights… you who under the slogan that “a woman has the right to decide about her own body”, are concealing the “right” to kill, which will never be a right…

To you I say; please think seriously about what you are doing and get on your knees, pleading for God’s forgiveness and turning your lives around radically, because what awaits you on the other side is so horrible that you cannot even imagine.

I say this because the pain you will suffer during your entire lives does not even amount to a thousand part of the pain that you will inflict on your own children while pulling then out of your wombs; and because the pain of a child during the most terrible of abortions will not amount to even a millionth of the eternal suffering to which you are being condemned by your own blindness.

My mission on this journey through the earth is only one, to take as many souls as I can to Jesus. Therefore, as a woman that I am, I am dedicating a few lines to you without the least intention of confronting you with ideas or arguments and without the least intention of hurting any of you. To the contrary, I only want to plead with you to reconsider what you are doing and stop your mad race towards the abyss and that of all those other naïve women whom you “generously help to get out of a problem”.

I do not know how much a word of mine, so poor and sinful, can do to reach your hearts. Nor do I know which of you would be reached by these words of mine, but I do not worry about it because I know that the Lord will take care of that… What I do not want is that a sin of omission may befall me the day I find myself before the Throne of God to be judged.

Do not go launching campaigns to destroy the most marvelous thing that the Creator has made with His hands. Contemplate yourselves for five straight minutes in front of a mirror, and think of how much love He must have felt when you were being formed in the wombs of your mothers. So much so that He gave you a soul and intelligence, even if you cannot see one or the other. He gave you strength, courage, health and, perhaps, beauty…

Think of how He has formed your hands finger by finger, all perfectly done. And He did it in the hope that you would take in them a rosary, a cross, a flower, a book, a sewing or any other productive tool… But never a murderous knife! [Ladies] Please wake up! Look towards the light and flee from the darkness! May the blood of the innocent ones, which runs like a river, not wake you up in the middle of the night to drown you in nightmares… Friend, come down from your own altar. Please look; look in front of you. Jesus is on the opposite shore, stretching out His hand for you to take a leap and grab hold of it tightly. Please do not fear, and forgive those who may have hurt you so much…

All of us make mistakes, and not just once but thousands of times, yet what is big and wonderful, what is courageous, is to acknowledge them and turn back from the mistaken road in order to take the correct one. Clarity will never come from the hand of those who murder! Flee from them! For even if they convince you of the contrary with their alleged help, they are only going to destroy you.

I hope this has helped

God Bless & God have mercy on us.

Thank you for reading
Josh