Liberal vs conservative

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This is a difficult concept for me to explain. Let me use abortion as the example. When abortion was brought before the Supreme Court, one of the reasons was that women were going into the “back alleys” to obtain abortions and therefore were dying. Liberals shouted that we had to be loving people and save these women. Of course, no thought was given to the baby, not fetus ,that was being killed. They continue to this day to push ideas that are supposedly compassionate. They say conservatives are mean spirited because they want no abortion and therefore are uncaring of the women who need one. My point about all of this is that we must be mindful of God when making these kinds of statements.How can we care about people and not heed the word of God? Does anyone understand this? Am I making myself clear. I would like to say this to people who use this argument, but no one seems to understand this concept.
 
I think abortions are good. Women deserve the right of their own body. Besides if aboprtions were illegal, weomen would fall down stairs, or hit themselves in the gut. That can’t be good… 😦
 
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bobcat:
I hope God blesses and forgives you.
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For what, god loves me, he always has. Even more so because I am gay… 😛
 
I am not speaking about gay people. Are you responding to my question about liberals and conservatives. I am confused.
 
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wader0069:
I think abortions are good. Women deserve the right of their own body. Besides if aboprtions were illegal, weomen would fall down stairs, or hit themselves in the gut. That can’t be good… 😦
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Oh, please. This is such an old excuse. Think what you will about abortions, but if you ever saw an aborted baby, I think you might change you mind. There is nothing good about murdering a baby.
 
In addition to that, the fallacy of the ruling is that no one has rights over their body. Is a crack addict able to continue with crack if he is caught? Is an alcoholic able to continue drinking if he is in a car? No one has these rights. Why should a pregnant woman?
 
In this country we must strive to make abortions safe, legal and above all RARE. As Catholics we, through prayer and councilling make certain that an abortion is NEVER used as a method of birth controll, but as a medical procedure that is necessary to protect the health and life of the mother we need to make shure that it is a safe procedure that insures the continued ability to have other children.
 
My original question had nothing to do with abortion, It was only an example for the real question.

But to answer your question, God says thoug shalt not kill. Not thou shalt not kill unless you have a reason.
 
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In this country we must strive to make abortions safe, legal and above all RARE. As Catholics we, through prayer and councilling make certain that an abortion is NEVER used as a method of birth controll, but as a medical procedure that is necessary to protect the health and life of the mother we need to make shure that it is a safe procedure that insures the continued ability to have other children.
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How can you say this as a Catholic? :eek: I can’t believe someone would be so flippant with this, especially on a forum like this one… As Catholics, we, through prayer and counselling, make certain (or, really, try to be an influence so) that an abortion is NEVER done. Period. Since when is killing someone only wrong when done “as a method of birth control”? I hope you ARE aware that the Church teaches that intentional abortion is NEVER permissible, not even “to protect the health and life of the mother” (although abortions aren’t often needed for that in the first place and, in fact, they often cause harm to the mother"). It is not permissible to do an evil in order to reach a good goal. In other words, what bobcat said. Please read up on this in the CCC and do not lead others astray, especially yourself!

I am a bit confused as to the original intention of this thread. It seems to me the OP wasn’t very clear about this.
 
How can I make the original question clear? What do you not understand and then maybe I can help explain from there.
 
I tried to find a answer to my question from someone, but I believe I found it in myself. You cannot disobey God, even at the expense of helping someone.
 
I understand the question, and agree with your answer. Let me use a different example. Liberals say the government should sustain and care of the poor, i.e. welfare, medicade, and so on. By maintaining a culture of dependency, are they really helping? Feeding somebody and keeping them from starving is good, but encouraging and sustaining a life style that is less than what the person is capable of is not. So if one is truly seeking to help the poor, by helping them help themselves, and trying to lift them out of the culture of dependency, that person is considered callous for not supporting the programs that don’t really help, but look good.
 
That is it exactly. I*t is maddening how they can do these types of things and then make people who think differently look almost evil. I watched the Mrs. King memorial yesterday and the hatred toward our President was breathtaking. They are the party of love if you listen to them.
 
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wader0069:
I think abortions are good. Women deserve the right of their own body. Besides if aboprtions were illegal, weomen would fall down stairs, or hit themselves in the gut. That can’t be good… 😦
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Uh Oh! Here we go! :eek:
 
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bobcat:
I am not speaking about gay people. Are you responding to my question about liberals and conservatives. I am confused.
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I think this is just some person trying to stir things up.
 
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I understand the question, and agree with your answer. Let me use a different example. Liberals say the government should sustain and care of the poor, i.e. welfare, medicade, and so on. By maintaining a culture of dependency, are they really helping? Feeding somebody and keeping them from starving is good, but encouraging and sustaining a life style that is less than what the person is capable of is not. So if one is truly seeking to help the poor, by helping them help themselves, and trying to lift them out of the culture of dependency, that person is considered callous for not supporting the programs that don’t really help, but look good.
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The regular poor may be capable of more but we still need welfare and medicaid for the disabled because everyone still seems afraid to hire them and they certainly need some sustenance. Or they may not be capable of full time employment and the government subsidies will help them to live a mildly comfortable existence.
 
I agree with that, of course, but that was not even close to what my original post intended. The person who responded with this explanation understood perfectly.
 
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Streetdoc:
In this country we must strive to make abortions safe, legal and above all RARE. As Catholics we, through prayer and councilling make certain that an abortion is NEVER used as a method of birth controll, but as a medical procedure that is necessary to protect the health and life of the mother we need to make shure that it is a safe procedure that insures the continued ability to have other children.
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If you really believe that, then you are really not Catholic. Why do you care if abortions are rare or not? Do you believe them to be evil? If you believe them to be evil, why do you believe them to be evil? Do you believe abortion is the killing of an innocent person? That would make it murder. Murder should never be legal. The pro choice position is so absurd, it would be laughable if the matter were not so grave. It is even more absurd when a person who believes in God is pro-choice. You believe in the author of life, yet you believe that man should be able to destroy the most innocent of human lives. That is just insane.
 
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