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MarcoPolo
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I was at a mass this morning where the cantor sang the invocation part of the penitential rite at the beginning of mass. The priest did do the last part of asking for forgiviness. Is that licit?
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Cristiano
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I assume that this is about the OF. As far as I know it is licit. In the penitential right we ask for forgiveness all together. The priest does not absolve us, he is within the “crowd” of sinners.
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japhy
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The introduction to the Penitential Act – the words like “Before we enter these sacred mysteries, let us first call to mind our sins” – belong to the priest alone.I was at a mass this morning where the cantor sang the invocation part of the penitential rite at the beginning of mass. The priest did do the last part of asking for forgiviness. Is that licit?
However, if you’re talking about Form C of the Penitential Act, then the cantor can sing those words. Form C is something like “Lord Jesus, you came to call sinners: Lord, have mercy. / Christ Jesus, you came to heal the sick: Christ, have mercy. / Lord Jesus, you came to give sight to the blind: Lord, have mercy.” The cantor can sing that. But the introduction to the Penitential Act is for the priest to say.
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MarcoPolo
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Yup, form C is how it shook down. I just cannot ever remember a cantor doing this in the past. Thanks both of you for replying!The introduction to the Penitential Act – the words like “Before we enter these sacred mysteries, let us first call to mind our sins” – belong to the priest alone.
However, if you’re talking about Form C of the Penitential Act, then the cantor can sing those words. Form C is something like “Lord Jesus, you came to call sinners: Lord, have mercy. / Christ Jesus, you came to heal the sick: Christ, have mercy. / Lord Jesus, you came to give sight to the blind: Lord, have mercy.” The cantor can sing that. But the introduction to the Penitential Act is for the priest to say.
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Cristiano
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Wow! I did not even think about a cantor possibly singing the introduction I was just thinking of the Kyrie part. I guess that either I am naive or thanks to God my parish is quite orthodox.The introduction to the Penitential Act – the words like “Before we enter these sacred mysteries, let us first call to mind our sins” – belong to the priest alone.
However, if you’re talking about Form C of the Penitential Act, then the cantor can sing those words. Form C is something like “Lord Jesus, you came to call sinners: Lord, have mercy. / Christ Jesus, you came to heal the sick: Christ, have mercy. / Lord Jesus, you came to give sight to the blind: Lord, have mercy.” The cantor can sing that. But the introduction to the Penitential Act is for the priest to say.
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benedictgal
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And what comes after the cantor is finished is also for the priest to say.The introduction to the Penitential Act – the words like “Before we enter these sacred mysteries, let us first call to mind our sins” – belong to the priest alone.
However, if you’re talking about Form C of the Penitential Act, then the cantor can sing those words. Form C is something like “Lord Jesus, you came to call sinners: Lord, have mercy. / Christ Jesus, you came to heal the sick: Christ, have mercy. / Lord Jesus, you came to give sight to the blind: Lord, have mercy.” The cantor can sing that. But the introduction to the Penitential Act is for the priest to say.
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John_Lilburne
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From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“The Act of Penitence
51. Then the priest invites those present to take part in the Act of Penitence, which, after a brief pause for silence, the entire community carries out through a formula of general confession. The rite concludes with the priest’s absolution, which, however, lacks the efficacy of the Sacrament of Penance. …
The Kyrie Eleison
52. After the Act of Penitence, the Kyrie is always begun, unless it has already been included as part of the Act of Penitence. Since it is a chant by which the faithful acclaim the Lord and implore his mercy, it is ordinarily done by all, that is, by the people and with the choir or cantor having a part in it.
As a rule, each acclamation is sung or said twice, though it may be repeated several times, by reason of the character of the various languages, as well as of the artistry of the music or of other circumstances. When the Kyrie is sung as a part of the Act of Penitence, a trope may precede each acclamation.”
“The Act of Penitence
51. Then the priest invites those present to take part in the Act of Penitence, which, after a brief pause for silence, the entire community carries out through a formula of general confession. The rite concludes with the priest’s absolution, which, however, lacks the efficacy of the Sacrament of Penance. …
The Kyrie Eleison
52. After the Act of Penitence, the Kyrie is always begun, unless it has already been included as part of the Act of Penitence. Since it is a chant by which the faithful acclaim the Lord and implore his mercy, it is ordinarily done by all, that is, by the people and with the choir or cantor having a part in it.
As a rule, each acclamation is sung or said twice, though it may be repeated several times, by reason of the character of the various languages, as well as of the artistry of the music or of other circumstances. When the Kyrie is sung as a part of the Act of Penitence, a trope may precede each acclamation.”
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