Life after birth

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goout said:
And preoccupation with that drama is counterproductive.
Some are preoccupied with drama, some are helping people despite all the insane noise.
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Yes, but denying that it exists also is counterproductive. If real progress is to be made, the 2 sides need to work together, instead of fighting to have it entirely one way or the other.
 
laylow said:
the 2 sides need to work together, instead of fighting to have it entirely one way or the other.
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Well, doesn’t it kind of depend on how “entirely” something is one way or another?

Suppose the subject at hand was slavery. How do you compromise? We tried that, once… 🙂

Suppose the subject at hand was human sacrifice, a la Aztecs. Is that really something you’re comfortable coexisting with?

Suppose the subject at hand was child sex trafficking. How do you compromise with child sex traffickers?

You can compromise all day long on traffic rules, or zoning ordinances, or municipal codes, or whatever. But some things ought to be recognized as evil that need to be eliminated. How you go about eliminating things can vary… but people aren’t disagreeing as to how to eliminate abortion (it’s been a long time since they’ve trotted out the “safe, legal, and rare!” argument!). Instead, one side is trying to promote it as an intrinsic human right to not be obligated to carry their child to term, and are passing legislation to allow for the killing of infants up to and after birth. (I’m looking at you, NY, VA…) And the other side is trying to put the brakes on and say, “Um, no. How about up to 20 weeks? 25 weeks? How about up to fetal pain? How about up to heartbeat? How about after a 48-hour waiting period? How about after an ultrasound? How about only with a doctor who has admission privileges at a local hospital?”

Which one of those is more compromise-y? And yet every single one of those gets challenged in court as being too onerous and burdensome and taking away people’s rights… but ignoring the rights of those the laws are trying to protect.
 
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Okay, I’ll be more specific.

If a woman finds herself pregnant without the supports she needs she and her child can receive, through a combination of church, community, and government supports:

Healthcare
Housing
Food
Clothing
Utilities assistance including cell phones and other technologies
Mental health counseling
support groups
parenting classes and support
breastfeeding support
college tuition assistance
transportation
childcare
adoption services
Needed furniture for baby/diapers and baby needs
education for the child including preschool and after school/before school care

What, specifically, would you like to see done before you would abandon the idea that women aren’t supported?
 
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Delphinus said:
Healthcare
Housing
Food
Clothing
Utilities assistance including cell phones and other technologies
Mental health counseling
support groups
parenting classes and support
breastfeeding support
college tuition assistance
transportation
childcare
peer group access (motherhood support)
adoption services
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Okay, I’ll play along.

Healthcare: In my state, Medicaid for Pregnant Women is available for women who make up to 200% of poverty level. Not available to undocumented women.

Housing: 3+ year wait list in my county for HUD programs

Food: If you have more than $2,000 in “countable resources” like a savings account, you do not qualify. If your gross income is more than
$1,245 you do not qualify. Also, not available to undocumented women. WIC is additional, has limits.

Clothing: There are various thrift stores, but, no program that gives away maternity clothes.

Cell Phone: Only if you qualify for SNAP.

Other Utilities: The government assistance will help once per year. One month. Must be documented, etc.

Mental Health Counseling: Varies by county/state

Support groups/parenting classes/breastfeeding support: Private programs.

College tuition assistance: Not in my state

Transportation: No programs in my state

Childcare: Voucher system, first come first served, low income only and must be documented.

Furniture, wipes, diapers Some private charities offer occasional assistance
 
So we are talking about your state here. In my state these are all very, very, VERY accessible. Yet we have a ridiculous abortion rate. The problem is NOT a lack of support.
 
Your list does not consider the woman who’s spouse/boyfriend says “get an abortion or I am leaving you”.

The parents who have said for years “if my kid EVER gets knocked up, they will not live in my house! I am not raising any grandbabies.”

The boss who writes you up for having morning sickness.

These women need a place where they can live, be protected and feel secure. We must begin to support maternity homes in our communities.
 
laylow said:
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goout:
And preoccupation with that drama is counterproductive.
Some are preoccupied with drama, some are helping people despite all the insane noise.
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Yes, but denying that it exists also is counterproductive. If real progress is to be made, the 2 sides need to work together, instead of fighting to have it entirely one way or the other.
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Yes of course.
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You seem to want to prove the point that the pro-life community wants “it” one way or the other. That’s a vague accusation, and I am telling you that the image is wrong and that the pro life community is doing the hard social justice work that needs to be done.

Our former pastoral associate headed up our pro life committe and is now taking leadership at our community foundation which provides assistance for at risk women, all the soup kitchens and outreach for poor and homeless, clothing drives, reading programs, helping people bridge out of poverty.

Your stereotype is just that.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Your list does not consider the woman who’s spouse/boyfriend says “get an abortion or I am leaving you”.

The parents who have said for years “if my kid EVER gets knocked up, they will not live in my house! I am not raising any grandbabies.”
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Housing seems to cover those situations.
 
The vicious circle is the proposal that human life is expendable, and at the same time we want a more humane society.
The disposal of the most helpless among us is the leading factor in increasing rates of hatred, murder, indifference, etc…

Our society is insane, literally “not well”. It thinks humane treatment will result from inhumane laws and practices.
It thinks human rights will flourish when the right to life is not affirmed.

That’s insane, by definition.
 
TheLittleLady said:
These women need a place where they can live, be protected and feel secure.
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You mean like, say, in housing that they are given income for from the state or directly provided in private programs?? Including food, transportation, healthcare, support groups, (please don’t make me make the list again) Not to mention the laws that require fathers to pay child support, parents to house underage children (kicking out a kid under 18 is neglect), and employers to not discriminate based on pregnancy. (which I also might add, there are programs that offer free legal support to these cases!)

This discussion is about pro-life people supporting women in crisis. I have demonstrated the many, many, MANY resources available, and yet still these children are being slaughtered by the MILLIONS. The wait lists for adoption is YEARS long. The problem is. not. a. lack. of. support. Nor is it those pro-lifers that don’t care about the kids. This is a strawman that is DEMONSTRABLY false.
 
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Life begins at conception, period. Poor people should not be killed for being poor and if a poor person wants to have a baby, they should go right ahead and have one. There are crisis pregnancy centers and other resources a women can use. The abortion industry is not a place of support or hope, it is a place of despair.
 
I know often times when this argument is made, it is made in regards to our lawmakers, and it is accurate.

Lawmakers who get up on their soapboxes about taking away a woman’s right to choose, but then at the same time try to cut social programs that would otherwise enable those same women to carry pregnancies to term and provide for their new family member, are the worst.

It is difficult to swallow, and it happens so often.

The average citizen who tries to offer support can only do but so much with private donations.
 
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Capping the costs of adoption along with offering grants to cover adoption fees for lower income families wishing to adopt should go a long way. I also like Trump’s idea of a paid maternity leave, which should take a lot of the heat off of women who fear they cannot afford to go without working for long after having a baby. The cost of medical care being factored in seems like a non-issue to me because low income people who are pregnant and/or have children can qualify for Medicaid. But it would be nice if all pregnant women in the country would automatically have Medicaid kick in as a primary or secondary insurance to pick up any slack in prenatal care costs (only for prenatal care), no matter their income. That way there will be no excuses. If we could do a combination of all of the above then we would truly be a pro-life country and liberals would lose their excuse of saying republicans are “pro-birth”. Which most of us aren’t but it’s something we are called.
 
I do believe that the excuse of “they will suffer for being poor so let’s dismember them now” to be the most ridiculous, transparent excuse ever for just not wanting to admit that it’s really a matter of convenience or “I don’t want to be a parent right now”.
 
Delphinus said:
You mean like, say, in housing that they are given income for from the state or directly provided in private programs??
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This may exist in your state, but not my state. Are you going to help these women relocate to your state?
Delphinus said:
Not to mention the laws that require fathers to pay child support,
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And are you going to force these men to get jobs that are not “under the table cash” jobs?
Delphinus said:
parents to house underage children (kicking out a kid under 18 is neglect),
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Because scared teens love to go to the police!
Delphinus said:
mployers to not discriminate based on pregnancy.
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Again, they can still write you up for being late for work, 3 Xs and you are fired. You were fired for being late, not for being pregnant.
 
YourNameHere said:
some federal money
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Why not their own money? If there was a really substantial child credit, most people wouldn’t need a subsidy. I recall reading some years ago that if the child deduction was the same then as it was in Truman’s time, it would be $20,000 per child. What, then, if the parents for that “extra” child basically didn’t have to pay income taxes?
 
I would also add that we need a system that isn’t ridiculously complex to navigate. The paperwork can quickly overwhelm a pregnant woman especially if she isn’t well educated to begin with!

A big problem is that these programs aren’t US based but state by state and often a recently diagnosed pregnant woman has no idea what’s available.
 
There are crisis pregnancy centers that can help as well. I volunteered at one for five years and they helped in many ways. Many people donated carriages, cribs, car seats, and other baby furniture to be given to those in need. There was also formula, baby food, diapers, and clean used baby clothes up to size four…for all the seasons.

They also showed dvds about infant care, and every time they watched one they were permitted to pick out a brand new baby clothes item, or a blanket, and other items that were donated at baby showers at local churches for the center.
 
We have one here as well that has been in existence for many years. It must rely completely on community donations.
They help through the pregnancy and also have a food and diaper bank.
 
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