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Thanks for this, it is certainly amazing & thought provoking. He has done an awful lot of good with his life, that’s for sure.
There’s one thing that concerns me that I noticed. He mentions that Jesus says,“I want you to go back to the world. In your second life you will be an instrument of peace & healing…”
I’m not sure if Jesus would say this, because it could be misleading in that it sounds like some people have a 2nd chance at life. I believe it could be misleading & lead others to believe in things like re-incarnation. That’s why I don’t think Jesus would say that, for the potential to lead His lambs astray.
But maybe the priest is remembering the exact words incorrectly. I don’t know, I just approach these things much more cautiously than I used to. I’m sure you do, too. I will pray for him, because it sounds like he went through something very profound.
There’s one thing that concerns me that I noticed. He mentions that Jesus says,“I want you to go back to the world. In your second life you will be an instrument of peace & healing…”
I’m not sure if Jesus would say this, because it could be misleading in that it sounds like some people have a 2nd chance at life. I believe it could be misleading & lead others to believe in things like re-incarnation. That’s why I don’t think Jesus would say that, for the potential to lead His lambs astray.
But maybe the priest is remembering the exact words incorrectly. I don’t know, I just approach these things much more cautiously than I used to. I’m sure you do, too. I will pray for him, because it sounds like he went through something very profound.
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mmm1
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I should clarify that I do think people sometimes have near death experiences, & have a 'second chance at life" in that they recover from an accident, illness or addiction.
I just don’t think Jesus would tell us that some can die, go to heaven, return & have a second life. That is what I meant to say.
I just don’t think Jesus would tell us that some can die, go to heaven, return & have a second life. That is what I meant to say.
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cathgal
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If you’re a Christian, there is no such thing as reincarnation.
Reincarnation doctrine teaches that a person comes back as something or someone else and would have no clue of what his/her identity is in the previous life.
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cathgal
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Near death is not the same as dead. Dead enough that his body was on its way to the morgue. Literally, he did have a second chance at life.
Jesus didn’t tell us that we can die, go to heaven then come back to life. He told the priest, not us. Don’t read too much into it.I just don’t think Jesus would tell us that some can die, go to heaven, return & have a second life. That is what I meant to say.
God can do whatever He wants. The rest of us should stick to what the Church teaches.
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mmm1
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I know. I’m just concerned that I don’t think Jesus would use the words “in your second life”… Reincarnation was just one example I could think of that an idea like that could lead to.
The idea of a second life is contrary to Catholic teaching. I hope the priest mixed up the words that he thought Christ used, or he remembered it incorrectly. I don’t think Christ would say something that is contrary to Catholic teaching. If Christ didn’t provide this vision or experience, who did? I’m concerned for the priest & think this sends a subtle false message. Some visions & locutions are demonic, & I pray this isn’t.
The idea of a second life is contrary to Catholic teaching. I hope the priest mixed up the words that he thought Christ used, or he remembered it incorrectly. I don’t think Christ would say something that is contrary to Catholic teaching. If Christ didn’t provide this vision or experience, who did? I’m concerned for the priest & think this sends a subtle false message. Some visions & locutions are demonic, & I pray this isn’t.
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mmm1
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I see your point here. With my last message, I was responding to your message #4. I hadn’t seen your last 2 messages yet. I do maintain, though, that I am concerned with any locution, experience or vision that contains something in it that is contrary to Catholic teaching.
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cathgal
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How would you call it if someone comes back from the dead, like Lazarus?
The purpose of the priest is not to teach that people can come back to life after they die. He is only sharing his experience. His purpose is to bring peace and healing to the people just as Jesus instructed. That’s it.
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cathgal
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In a larger scope, I see nothing contrary to the teaching of the Church. More of an insight of what is out there after death.
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mmm1
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I am not saying he is doing anything intentionally wrong. I tried to speak very respectfully of him. I said he is doing wonderful things after a profound experience. I am just concerned that he might have unwillingly received a false or even demonic message.
I did not declare that he definitely did. I just tried to gently suggest that I have concerns about a message or experience that contains something contrary to Catholic teaching.
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CatholicBoy1957
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Did you folks catch this one on Mother Angelica?
frtommylane.com/homilies/year_c/lent3.htm
Don’t get me wrong, I know Mother is not the pope, and she is not infallible. But I think she does a pretty good job of screening stuff that would be contrary to what is official teaching. It made it to her show, so that gives it some additional credibility in my book.
frtommylane.com/homilies/year_c/lent3.htm
Don’t get me wrong, I know Mother is not the pope, and she is not infallible. But I think she does a pretty good job of screening stuff that would be contrary to what is official teaching. It made it to her show, so that gives it some additional credibility in my book.
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mmm1
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I don’t mean to argue with you, because I’m sure he’s a wonderful priest & missionary. I think, though, that supernatural experiences have to be looked at very carefully. I have heard that Satan will confuse people by putting one subtle falsehood out there with other beautiful messages. That’s why I’m concerned that this message from the Lord told the priest he was to have a second life. The idea of a second life is what goes against Catholic teaching.
I don’t think he is doing anything intentionally wrong, but I am leary of a supernatural experience that contains ANYTHING that is contrary to Catholic teaching.
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cathgal
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I see nothing contrary and I don’t see having a second life is the new teaching or anything.
The Lord does what He does.
How credible is his experience…only God knows.
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mmm1
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This is amazing. It is kind of scary, but it gives you hope, too. The experience of the priest from India is similar, too. To be honest, I didn’t mean to upset anyone by questioning something that does inspire hope.
I think I’m very gun shy about supernatural experiences & locutions. Prior to the last 5 or 6 years, I never new people sometimes have visions or locutions. I had only heard of things like Lourdes & Fatima. I was unaware of occurences like Akita, Medgugorie (sp.?) & many others. About 4 years ago I started reading the books by Anne, A Lay Apostle. I loved those messages, read the books over & over again & eagerly awaited the monthly messages. Since then, I have found out they might not be true. I have followed links on this site that make me unsure. They might be true, but maybe not, & now I just don’t know. If they are untrue, I hope they are a hoax & not demonic messages. The idea that we can follow or be led astray by demonic messages FREAKS me out. For me, the possibility of this makes me want to stay away from anything supernatural unless it is fully approved by the Church. I know that’s not required, though.
So, I know I’m just gun shy, & I’m sorry if my concern upset you cathgal. I wasn’t trying to be difficult or diminish something that could inspire people.
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mmm1
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I’ve got to run to the store for my daughter, but God bless guys, & sorry, cathgal. I think my paranoia with these things affected me…
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cathgal
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There’s nothing to apologize for. I’m not upset
It’s good that you are wary about these things. You wouldn’t miss out much if you don’t believe in these stuff. The Church already has all the answers concerning our salvation. My point is, as long as I don’t see anything contrary to the Church’s teaching, I wouldn’t worry too much about this priest guiding his flock.
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mmm1
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Thanks, cathgal. Also, I didn’t mean to imply that you were acting upset, just that I hope I didn’t upset you…There’s nothing to apologize for. I’m not upset
It’s good that you are wary about these things. You wouldn’t miss out much if you don’t believe in these stuff. The Church already has all the answers concerning our salvation. My point is, as long as I don’t see anything contrary to the Church’s teaching, I wouldn’t worry too much about this priest guiding his flock.
I think we really agree here. I initially liked the priest’s experience, but the more I thought about it, I became concerned about that one line. I think I was probably reading too much into it. I so agree with what you said about the fullness of the Church & its teachings.
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catching
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Life after death will always be the mystery and after read the given link life after death is still a mystery.
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spirocatania
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reading something like this always scares me. i have been going to confession often latly but there is always the thought of did i say what i said right or did i use the right words. And then their are thoughts of did i miss anything that i have committed. grave sins have been scaring me latly and i have even been thinking of my childhood like 20 years and under and the things that i start to remember just makes me feel like why did i do all these things.
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Jennifer_G
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Just one curious thing about “NDE’s”… why do they always have to mention something along the lines of, “Well, my soul popped back into my body on the way to the morgue and I wound up scaring the living daylights out of the doctors!” 
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But, yeah, the “second life” thing did sound kind of strange (although you could put it into the same context as “a 2nd chance”). When I used to search about NDEs, about 80% of them would veer off into New Age language. An interesting note, when I searched for “Catholic” and “NDE”, then it would be maybe 10% that veered into New Age thinking.
?But, yeah, the “second life” thing did sound kind of strange (although you could put it into the same context as “a 2nd chance”). When I used to search about NDEs, about 80% of them would veer off into New Age language. An interesting note, when I searched for “Catholic” and “NDE”, then it would be maybe 10% that veered into New Age thinking.
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