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Pfaffenhoffen
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Well, that is a metaphor.
In the Artic Pole or Canada or Vermont, your body wont survive without clothes.
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In the Artic Pole or Canada or Vermont, your body wont survive without clothes.
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Pfaffenhoffen
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Your writing is tough to understand.
Now let me see if I understood you.
I think you put too much emphasis in the circumstances.
There is a Spanish Philosopher, Ortega y Gasset, who says: “Me and my circumstance”.
I think that you are following Jean-Paul Sartre Definition that essence comes after existence and not like the Scholastics said that Essence precedes Existence.
Well, I agree with Sartre what we are what our decisions and our circumstances allow us to be.
BUT, I think that in the end, God plays a great part on it.
How to join God’s power with human freedom has been discussed in the last 1000 years and I am not going to solve the problem.
For I do not know.
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Cinette
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*I am a revert and learning new things all the time.
The other evening a member of my Faith Sharing Group asked a question that had us stumped! Where do our bodies reside when we die until the Final Judgment???
Yes where…? Could we go to heaven and then go thru the Final Judgment at the end of time? Or, since there is no “time” in Eternity the Judgment might just take place as each of us die?? Looking forward to your response.
Thank you
Cinette
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Gaber
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No kidding! I get that a lot, and no wonder. I was brought up in the old school Catholic system and my Dad’s side of the family were all authors, both popular and obscure. On top of that, my views and exegesis are from an uncommon standpoint. Most people don’t acknowledge my expereintial premise and think it impossible, and imaginary as well, I am not surprised, and even greatly expect, that only that community which has similar expereince to mine would “get” most of what I say. And mine isn’t even a particualry spectacular example of that group. The few I’ve read on here of that ilk don’t ususally stay long. Too exasperating.
Love Ortega y Gasset! Few people have mentioned him. I often have used his example of the dying man relevant to viewpoint, and his idea of the window pane as relevant to viewing art. Genius.
No, I’m not following Sartre. But if you express him accurately in that brief statement, then I would say he has it right, so as far as the personality is concerned. But we are not esentially personality, the root of that word meaning “mask,” or what is spoken through. And while Essence underlies existence, it is “before” it onl in that sense, as Essence, like eternality, has no element of duration.
Yes, God is ALL of it, as we so readily confess but so little understand. And it has been discussed far far longer than just the last 1K years, lol! but if you can find the “off” switch for your discursive mind, you will do much better than if you think about it for several lifetimes!
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Cinette
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No kidding! I get that a lot, and no wonder. I was brought up in the old school Catholic system and my Dad’s side of the family were all authors, both popular and obscure. On top of that, my views and exegesis are from an uncommon standpoint.** Most people don’t acknowledge my expereintial premise and think it impossible, and imaginary as well, I am not surprised, and even greatly expect, that only that community which has similar expereince to mine would “get” most of what I say.** *Just keep your sentences short and noone will complain!*And mine isn’t even a particualry spectacular example of that group. The few I’ve read on here of that ilk don’t ususally stay long. Too exasperating.
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Gaber
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I enjoyed your interjection. And I like blue.It is a musical thing, Cinette. We are used to 4/4 time and short measures. I’ve always had an innate appreciation for the long and very long rhytmic cyles of classical music from India. It is hard to keep up with a, say, 15 beat cyle, but it is very rewarding, and you can say things that way otherwise inexpressible. But I will see if I can “keep it down.”
Oh, hey! I did use a short sentence in the reply above your post:
Uh. that was supposed to be a period instead of a comma, before “I’m not surprised…”
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GEddie
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Your body does not reside anywhere in death, it disintegrates. Anybody who has been dead more than about 100 years would not have a dead body to come back to.*I am a revert and learning new things all the time.
The other evening a member of my Faith Sharing Group asked a question that had us stumped! Where do our bodies reside when we die until the Final Judgment???
Yes where…? Could we go to heaven and then go thru the Final Judgment at the end of time? Or, since there is no “time” in Eternity the Judgment might just take place as each of us die?? Looking forward to your response.
Thank you
Cinette
A skeleton is not a body; a heap of bones is not a body; even a mummy is not a human body, as a human body holds life, and those objects cannot.
Rather, your body is reassembled on the other side of eternity, in Heaven, as you said. You need a body for being, because you are alive and your body holds and expresses your life. You will be a human body, but an upgraded version, as S. Paul said, pneumatikon soma.
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GEddie
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Gabe, amigo,No kidding! I get that a lot, and no wonder. I was brought up in the old school Catholic system and my Dad’s side of the family were all authors, both popular and obscure. On top of that, my views and exegesis are from an uncommon standpoint. Most people don’t acknowledge my expereintial premise and think it impossible, and imaginary as well, I am not surprised, and even greatly expect, that only that community which has similar expereince to mine would “get” most of what I say. And mine isn’t even a particualry spectacular example of that group. The few I’ve read on here of that ilk don’t ususally stay long. Too exasperating.
Love Ortega y Gasset! Few people have mentioned him. I often have used his example of the dying man relevant to viewpoint, and his idea of the window pane as relevant to viewing art. Genius.
No, I’m not following Sartre. But if you express him accurately in that brief statement, then I would say he has it right, so as far as the personality is concerned. But we are not esentially personality, the root of that word meaning “mask,” or what is spoken through. And while Essence underlies existence, it is “before” it onl in that sense, as Essence, like eternality, has no element of duration.
Yes, God is ALL of it, as we so readily confess but so little understand. And it has been discussed far far longer than just the last 1K years, lol! but if you can find the “off” switch for your discursive mind, you will do much better than if you think about it for several lifetimes!
I have no doubt that you have had experiences.
But certainly you see that your experiences are not evidence, let alone proof, for anybody else?
And there is NO way that I am going to turn off my “discursive mind”. Death will do that to everybody soon enough. Mind is what we are about!
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Gaber
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Yes, and your inability to see past it allows you to speak as you do. And I did not propose my expereince as evidence. Your declining my inviation to see for yourself ought be enough proof that it was an encouragemnet to go beyond your self imposed limitations.
Mind, discursive mind, is what we are about, and is the problem, as it is ncomplete, the devider, the “adversary.” It is why it is recommended to die consciously so that the second death, the one you speak of, has no sting.
“He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.” Revelation 2:11
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Cinette
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*I spent 12 years in a Portuguese colony where I learned the language at my workplace. The Portuguese have the habit of writing the longest sentences - an entire paragraph sometimes! An entire page! I remember I had to re-read the sentences several times as I progressed, having to break up the sentence because I would forget what was being said at the beginning… and then in the middle… and …!!! *
It is a musical thing, Cinette. We are used to 4/4 time and short measures. I’ve always had an innate appreciation for the long and very long rhytmic cyles of classical music from India. It is hard to keep up with a, say, 15 beat cyle, but it is very rewarding, and you can say things that way otherwise inexpressible. But I will see if I can “keep it down.”
Oh, hey! I did use a short sentence in the reply above your post:
Uh. that was supposed to be a period instead of a comma, before “I’m not surprised…”
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fhansen
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The reason Christians believe death has no sting is simply because they literally believe in the resurrection-and the promise of eternal life which involves or depends on it. Could you try to explain how the sting of death is removed when the discursive mind dies? Is real knowledge gained regarding ones eternal fate?
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Cinette
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*I have not expressed myself very well I am afraid. I was talking of our resurrected bodies and our spirit. It is said that we will be reunited with our bodies.
Where do we “reside” when we die while we “wait” for the final judgment?
Have I explained myself a little better now? Do you understand?
Cinette
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GEddie
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Ok, I understand a bit more now; you did not really mean the body?*I have not expressed myself very well I am afraid. I was talking of our resurrected bodies and our spirit. It is said that we will be reunited with our bodies.
Where do we “reside” when we die while we “wait” for the final judgment?
Have I explained myself a little better now? Do you understand?
Cinette
It doesn’t really change. The other life lies outside of time as we know it. As far as you know, you will be reassembled at once. Egeiretai pneumatikon soma (it is raised a spiritual body).
If there was any waiting, you wouldn’t know it, because you need your head for “knowing”, just as you need your eyes to see, and your limbs to move.
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J_Peterson
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When I was still in my atheist/agnostic phase, I thought that Christianity couldn’t be right because it just seemed too simple. Maybe it seems too simple because it is true. The piece fits the puzzle perfectly so it appears to be too good to be true.maybe just because it seems too good to be true doesn’t mean it’s not true.
i guess
Maybe try not to think too much about what happens after you die and focus on what you have now. Seek God through prayer and forget about heaven and hell, we don’t have any say what happens anyway. For whatever reason, our life on earth is important, otherwise why would God put us here?
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Zosimus41
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III. THE CHARACTERISTICS OF FAITH
Faith is a grace
153 When St. Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus declared to him that this revelation did not come “from flesh and blood”, but from “my Father who is in heaven”.24 Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. "Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and ‘makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth.’"25
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Zosimus41
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Its impossible to imagine eternity.
Take a physical look at eternity the only way to do so is the madelbrot set download an applet and just keep zooming!
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J_Peterson
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A few weeks ago I was out on my porch alone smoking a cigar. I was enjoying it so much that there were no thoughts of the future or the past. I was truly present in the moment. Of course the moment I realized how perfect the moment was it was gone but that’s how I imagine eternity.Its impossible to imagine eternity.
Take a physical look at eternity the only way to do so is the madelbrot set download an applet and just keep zooming!
One way to think about life after death is: If there is an “outside” of the universe than eternity exists (because time is of the universe). If when we die, we catch an infinitesimally small glimpse of “outside” the univese, it will last an eternity (because there is no time). As a Christian I hope to see God in that moment. Hell in this scenerio would be trying to find your self there. Not saying this is even close to what happens but it’s one way to try to imagine it.
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Zosimus41
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That sounds peaceful.
I have an acerage the wife and I go up there throw a blanket on the ground or just walk around looking at nature. This is were I contemplate God his universe and how life after death could be like.
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itullian
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hope so.
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Pfaffenhoffen
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But you could be kind to readers and explain better your thought, otherwise, in these running times, we have to come back to the text 3 times and we give up. It is easy to say difficult things in a difficult way and to say simple things in a simple way. What is difficult is, like for instance Carl Sagan, say difficult things in simple ways.No kidding! I get that a lot, and no wonder. I was brought up in the old school Catholic system and my Dad’s side of the family were all authors, both popular and obscure. On top of that, my views and exegesis are from an uncommon standpoint. Most people don’t acknowledge my expereintial premise and think it impossible, and imaginary as well, I am not surprised, and even greatly expect, that only that community which has similar expereince to mine would “get” most of what I say. And mine isn’t even a particualry spectacular example of that group. The few I’ve read on here of that ilk don’t ususally stay long. Too exasperating.
Love Ortega y Gasset! Few people have mentioned him. I often have used his example of the dying man relevant to viewpoint, and his idea of the window pane as relevant to viewing art. Genius.
No, I’m not following Sartre. But if you express him accurately in that brief statement, then I would say he has it right, so as far as the personality is concerned. But we are not esentially personality, the root of that word meaning “mask,” or what is spoken through. And while Essence underlies existence, it is “before” it onl in that sense, as Essence, like eternality, has no element of duration.
Yes, God is ALL of it, as we so readily confess but so little understand. And it has been discussed far far longer than just the last 1K years, lol! but if you can find the “off” switch for your discursive mind, you will do much better than if you think about it for several lifetimes!
Essence come before existence, says the Church for Aquinas times. God Had the essence of us in His mind and made us into existence. Now, Sartre was an atheist. So, killing God, he make a play with words: Existence precedes essence (which is funny): meaning first you exist and you may be doctor, astraunaut, sailor. But as your decisions progress, you define progressively your essence: in the end of your life you are definiltely a stonemason or a teacher. It was defined by you not by God.
Now, Sartre knows better…
See how I explained things in a simple way?
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