Life without alcohol

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If my grandfather had taken care of his problem when he was your age instead of waiting until his grandchildren started having children, much pain could have been averted.

That link is from a different thread. It could do you well to read the whole thing.
I’d say the exact same thing about my father’s sex addiction. One of my brothers deals with the same problems I do, though I don’t think it is as bad as mine was. And neither of us can hold a candle to my father who pretty much did all you’d expect from a full fledged sex addict. Pornography, strip clubs, affairs. The whole nine yards. And the whole hiding it from his family and bullying his wife into staying “for the kids” thing. Yeah, sensational stuff.

If he cut the nonsense when I was a young child, I most likely would not be a porn addict. And he never would have cheated on my mother. But he did. And I am.
 
I have tried AA, and I did not like it. I am in therapy, but feel so lost as I keep failing. Please Pray for me.
I have been sober in AA for 20 years. I don’t like it either - it is not a matter of liking it or not liking it. It is a matter of what works and what doesn’t and what you are doing doesn’t work. So stop pretending that liking something matters.

Now, when I say this here is what I mean: being a member of AA means being INVOLVED. It means getting a sponsor, reading the book, actually TAKING THE STEPS - not just going to a meeting. If all I did was go to meetings I would be drunk in about a minute.

As important as the meetings are, it is getting a sponsor and taking the steps and then APPLYING THE STEPS IN MY LIFE that keep me sober one day at a time.

If you really REALLY want to stop drinking, go back to AA, walk up to someone with 20 years or more and ask them:
  1. did you take the 12 steps as part of your recovery?
  2. will you show me what you did?
and when they ask you the question: are you willing to go to any length to stay sober? just say yes - don’t get into a philosophical discussion about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Just follow the directions.

and if you can’t do that…private message me…
 
I have been sober in AA for 20 years. I don’t like it either - it is not a matter of liking it or not liking it. It is a matter of what works and what doesn’t and what you are doing doesn’t work. So stop pretending that liking something matters.

Now, when I say this here is what I mean: being a member of AA means being INVOLVED. It means getting a sponsor, reading the book, actually TAKING THE STEPS - not just going to a meeting. If all I did was go to meetings I would be drunk in about a minute.

As important as the meetings are, it is getting a sponsor and taking the steps and then APPLYING THE STEPS IN MY LIFE that keep me sober one day at a time.

If you really REALLY want to stop drinking, go back to AA, walk up to someone with 20 years or more and ask them:
  1. did you take the 12 steps as part of your recovery?
  2. will you show me what you did?
and when they ask you the question: are you willing to go to any length to stay sober? just say yes - don’t get into a philosophical discussion about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Just follow the directions.

and if you can’t do that…private message me…
This is exactly what you should do. Even if you can think of 200 reasons why it is impossible/useless/embarassing.
 
I’ve been sober for 27 months. Best thing I did was go to confession every time I drank. That helped me to stop. Keep praying and trying to stop. God will help you.
and i would add :gopray2: if possible daily Mass
 
I have struggled on and off with alcohol issues. I am a husband and a father of a toddler, and I wanted to see how others have lived without alcohol. I can quit for a few weeks, but always think about a drink to relax and fall back to drinking too much.
I have been in AA for more than 7 years now. The characteristic that distinguishes alcoholics from heavy drinkers is their ability to stop once they’ve taken the first drink. If you keep drinking once you start, you may wish to consider getting an assessment. This link is to a pamphlet widely used in AA and treatment centers to help drnkers discern if they are alcoholic: pdxaa.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=_ZVWAUSTVFI%3d&tabid=84&mid=526

I remember trying to read it online with my hand over one eye to stop the double vision as the room spun around me.

AA not only helps us stop drinking, its 12 steps were deeply influenced by Catholic spirituality and using them led me MUCH closer to my Catholic faith. In addition to having stopped drinking, I experienced a deep interior conversion and also learned the skills to cope with the things in daily life which caused me to drink in the first place.

God bless you and good luck. Message me if you need to talk. There are plenty of AA meetings in your area. Find one online and go listen.
 
I haven’t had a drink in over two months now. AA has helped a lot. Prayer is absolutely necessary

There is a group in CAF: Christians living a life of sobriety. Join us.

I will pray for you. God bless.
That’s Great! Please post a link to this group - and also in a private message to me. I’d love to join.
 
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I tried AA too, and sat at meetings for a whole year, and it was a dismal failure. Maybe I had the wrong sponsor. I don’t even pray that much anymore, cause, I know how hopeless it feels. But we’re HERE, so that says something, right? I’ll pray for you; you pray for me–You’re too young to let this happen.
 
I come from a long line of Irish alcoholics. I had an aunt who could quit now and then for a time, but always went back into it, deeply and destructively. I have no idea how she managed quitting or why she always went back to it.

My own father was an alcoholic for years. It was hard for him, and for us growing up. He “took cures” with the aid of professionals twice, without effective result. But the third one “took”, and he was alcohol-free for the rest of his life.

I don’t really know how he did it. Undoubtedly, part of it was his facing the fact that he could never touch alcohol again. As a young man, it was just part of “Irish life”. His own mother placed a shot glass of whiskey before all the men of the family beside their plates at every meal. Every holiday was an occasion for drinking. Every night was an occasion, to “relax”. Then all of life was for drinking.

I don’t know how he did it, really. He did have some frustrations in his life, but somehow “mellowed out of them”, became more philosophical, more relaxed. I don’t know about the sugar part. If anything his sugar consumption increased greatly after he stopped drinking. At night, instead of sitting down with a glass of whiskey, he sat down with a glass of pineapple juice…always pineapple juice. I don’t know why pineapple juice, particularly. Maybe he just liked the flavor and somehow found that a 'relaxation substitute" for alcohol.

He was careful after he quit. I recall his taking the family to an Italian restaurant on the occasion of my graduation from college. Without thinking, I ordered, for dessert, spumoni alla marsalla. Ice cream with marsalla wine poured on it. Since none of the others knew what to order, they all ordered the same. When he saw it, he very calmly put it aside and asked me if I had a different recommendation. I was mortified at my mistake, but he was very pleasant and matter-of-fact about it.

I thought of him, after he quit, as a hero, notwithstanding that living with it as a child was extremely difficult. He only spoke of it once to me…after I was fully grown. He and I were alone in a room and he simply said “I’m sorry, you know, for all of what happened years ago.” My reply (I heard myself say it. I didn’t think it out.) was “there’s nothing to forgive.”
He nodded, and we both understood. And at that point, and considering what a father he had been before alcohol took him over, and considering what a father he had been after he quit drinking, that was exactly correct. On balance, there was nothing to forgive.

Because of the number of alcoholics in my ancestery, I have always been very careful about drinking because I feared a tendency to alcoholism might be hereditary, and there’s reason to believe that. I might take a drink twice/year.

But there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that once a person becomes alcohol addicted, he can never drink again or it will take over his life and that of his family.
I have (half tongue in cheek) promised myself that once I reach the age of 80, I will feel free to drink as much as might please me, realizing that I probably won’t have enough years left to become dependent, no matter what.
 
This is exactly what you should do. Even if you can think of 200 reasons why it is impossible/useless/embarassing.
You got it Jackie…shoot, I am an old broad now but I was young when I got to AA and it was those OLD GEEZERS of 50 or more that saved my life.

I remember sitting there and whining about how I wasn’t ever going to have fun any more and how can anyone live without alcohol and what was I going to do at New Year’s Eve and blah blah blah…

one time, I whined once too often, about how I didn’t really know myself, how I had to FIND THE REAL ME.

This mean old Alcoholic Man stood up, looked at me and growled, "Do you have a Drivers License, Girly?’.

“Yes” I said in a VERY haughty tone of voice (because no one was going to push ME around).
“Does it have your PICTURE on it?”, he growled again.

“Yes” (you idiot, I thought but did not say).

“Well then”, he said, “THAT’S WHO YOU ARE!! Now STOP being such a BABY and start WORKING THE PROGRAM”.

There was someone on this thread who said they ‘sat in AA for over a year’ and then they wondered out loud if they had the wrong sponsor.

Well…if you sat on your butt in meetings for one year and did not get into action? The answer is YES you had the WRONG SPONSOR.

But what do I know…I’m a Dominican.🤷
 
I come from a long line of Irish alcoholics. I had an aunt who could quit now and then for a time, but always went back into it, deeply and destructively. I have no idea how she managed quitting or why she always went back to it.

My own father was an alcoholic for years. It was hard for him, and for us growing up. He “took cures” with the aid of professionals twice, without effective result. But the third one “took”, and he was alcohol-free for the rest of his life.

I don’t really know how he did it. Undoubtedly, part of it was his facing the fact that he could never touch alcohol again. As a young man, it was just part of “Irish life”. His own mother placed a shot glass of whiskey before all the men of the family beside their plates at every meal. Every holiday was an occasion for drinking. Every night was an occasion, to “relax”. Then all of life was for drinking.

I don’t know how he did it, really. He did have some frustrations in his life, but somehow “mellowed out of them”, became more philosophical, more relaxed. I don’t know about the sugar part. If anything his sugar consumption increased greatly after he stopped drinking. At night, instead of sitting down with a glass of whiskey, he sat down with a glass of pineapple juice…always pineapple juice. I don’t know why pineapple juice, particularly. Maybe he just liked the flavor and somehow found that a 'relaxation substitute" for alcohol.

He was careful after he quit. I recall his taking the family to an Italian restaurant on the occasion of my graduation from college. Without thinking, I ordered, for dessert, spumoni alla marsalla. Ice cream with marsalla wine poured on it. Since none of the others knew what to order, they all ordered the same. When he saw it, he very calmly put it aside and asked me if I had a different recommendation. I was mortified at my mistake, but he was very pleasant and matter-of-fact about it.

I thought of him, after he quit, as a hero, notwithstanding that living with it as a child was extremely difficult. He only spoke of it once to me…after I was fully grown. He and I were alone in a room and he simply said “I’m sorry, you know, for all of what happened years ago.” My reply (I heard myself say it. I didn’t think it out.) was “there’s nothing to forgive.”
He nodded, and we both understood. And at that point, and considering what a father he had been before alcohol took him over, and considering what a father he had been after he quit drinking, that was exactly correct. On balance, there was nothing to forgive.

Because of the number of alcoholics in my ancestery, I have always been very careful about drinking because I feared a tendency to alcoholism might be hereditary, and there’s reason to believe that. I might take a drink twice/year.

But there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that once a person becomes alcohol addicted, he can never drink again or it will take over his life and that of his family.
I have (half tongue in cheek) promised myself that once I reach the age of 80, I will feel free to drink as much as might please me, realizing that I probably won’t have enough years left to become dependent, no matter what.
When I first arrived in AA I thought one of the requirements for membership was that one be Irish and Catholic…😛
 
I thought of him, after he quit, as a hero, notwithstanding that living with it as a child was extremely difficult. He only spoke of it once to me…after I was fully grown. He and I were alone in a room and he simply said “I’m sorry, you know, for all of what happened years ago.” My reply (I heard myself say it. I didn’t think it out.) was “there’s nothing to forgive.”
He nodded, and we both understood. And at that point, and considering what a father he had been before alcohol took him over, and considering what a father he had been after he quit drinking, that was exactly correct. On balance, there was nothing to forgive.
How beautiful. This brought tears to my eyes. Your father is/was a very special man.
 
How beautiful. This brought tears to my eyes. Your father is/was a very special man.
Indeed he was. He’s in heaven now. Guess he could have a drink there without ill effect, huh? Somehow, I doubt he’ll want one in that vision.

As a young man, I might add without taxing your patience, he had one of those “near death experiences”…many, many years before alcohol became a problem. A remarkable story, part of its unforgettable nature being that, among other things, he understood there was something difficult he was to undergo, but that, as the “voice” assured him “you know the way.” It wasn’t really a voice, he said, but a communication directly into his mind and soul.

In later years, he understood, or at least believed he did. I believe he did too. That, and other things he came to understand.
 
Thank you for all the responses. My wife and daughter are owed more than to have a drunk in the house. I removed all the alcohol from the house, and I am going to get sober. I am scared, but I don’t have another choice.
 
Thank you for all the responses. My wife and daughter are owed more than to have a drunk in the house. I removed all the alcohol from the house, and I am going to get sober. I am scared, but I don’t have another choice.
That is all well and good mkipp. But you have done that before, you have made that decision before and here you are years later saying it again.

You are unable to do this on your own. You do not have the will power, nor do you seem to understand how to help yourself.

Again, for the love of your wife and child, you need to get help with this. I am sorry I sound like a broken record, but the amount of times you have come on here looking for help, shows me that you are a loving husband and father, looking to do what is good for his family. Please, commit to getting help, more than just your therapist, unless your therapist is an addictions counselor. If you don’t or won’t go to AA, go see an addictions counselor for some one-on-one help. Your therapist would be able to recommend someone.

May God give you strength and hope.
 
That is all well and good mkipp. But you have done that before, you have made that decision before and here you are years later saying it again.

You are unable to do this on your own. You do not have the will power, nor do you seem to understand how to help yourself.

Again, for the love of your wife and child, you need to get help with this. I am sorry I sound like a broken record, but the amount of times you have come on here looking for help, shows me that you are a loving husband and father, looking to do what is good for his family. Please, commit to getting help, more than just your therapist, unless your therapist is an addictions counselor. If you don’t or won’t go to AA, go see an addictions counselor for some one-on-one help. Your therapist would be able to recommend someone.

May God give you strength and hope.
I think a lot of AA, and would never say I don’t.

But in the interests of candor, I will acknowledge that my father never went to AA. However, he did (on the third try) get effective help from what I took to be very competent treaters and counselors. I never knew exactly what they did, but I know that at least part of it was to get him to explore some of the reasons why he was “self-anaesthetizing” with alcohol. Some of it, I gathered, had to do with his birth family issues and finances that were related to them. Earlier in his life, he seemed to have the world on a string. He was handsome, personable, popular and successful. At a point, it began to slip and there seemed to be nothing he could do about it. What he didn’t recognize was that his slowly increasing alcohol dependence was actually playing into what would have otherwise been problematic anyway. He then lost a young daughter, my sister, in an accident, and spiraled downward very rapidly.

Somehow, and with the help of extemely competent counseling, he was able to work through all of that and to realize that “self-anaesthetization” with alcohol only made it all worse, and that he could never work it all out if he didn’t pull that brick out of the pile.

I will add that I don’t for a moment doubt it took a great deal of courage, particularly perhaps to accept it that he could not “make the pain go away” by drinking…ever again, and no matter what.
 
Thank you for all the responses. My wife and daughter are owed more than to have a drunk in the house. I removed all the alcohol from the house, and I am going to get sober. I am scared, but I don’t have another choice.
🙂 Welcome home to sobriety.

I will pray for your perseverance. Seek help whenever needed and from whomever is available.
 
Thank you for all the responses. My wife and daughter are owed more than to have a drunk in the house. I removed all the alcohol from the house, and I am going to get sober. I am scared, but I don’t have another choice.
You bet they do and good for you…and remember, just don’t drink today. Just one day. You can do anything for just one day. Tomorrow? It is not here yet.
 
🙂 Welcome home to sobriety.

I will pray for your perseverance. Seek help whenever needed and from whomever is available.
Yeah dude…anytime you need some encouragement…just ask! You know I have either lived it or heard it before.
 
Thank you for all the responses. My wife and daughter are owed more than to have a drunk in the house. I removed all the alcohol from the house, and I am going to get sober. I am scared, but I don’t have another choice.
You are doing the right thing. If this is a problem for you, do not take a risk. It really is possible that you will never be able to consume alcohol in moderation, so the best option is to get rid of it altogether. I will pray for you!
 
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