Lincoln Diocese (in Nebraska) attracts conservative Catholics

[rpp]

There is an old story about the Pope asking God about this. He asks “when will there be married priests”-God says-"not in your lifetime. He then asks when will there be female Priests-God replied “Not in my lifetime”.

The Church is about as likely to ordain women as it is to deny the Resuurection of Christ. Given John Paul the Great’s explicit statment on this one must wonder just what is it about “NO” people dont undertsand?

I think the problem is with feminism. We see that in some of the posters here. Feminism promotes a way of thinking that says “if a woman cannot do what men do, then they must be inferior.” The corollary, of men being inferior to women, is wholly denied.

This attitude rejects the very concept of gender based roles. This is an absurd conclusion which is not even supported in biology (e.g. men are generally stronger and larger, women bear children.) This attitude not only emasculates men, it renders men utterly superflous and relegates to nothing more than a sperm bank.

The essential message of modern feminism is not equality, it is emasculation.

On the other hand, a “holy feminism” understanding is one which promotes proper geneder roles, even if they are not traditional. For example, in many places it was traditional for women to not be able to own property, hold a job or vote. That is not treating a woman with equal dignity. A woman should, no must, be permitted to do this things as a means of helping to support her family, herself, and participating in civic life.

This is different than claiming God (or the Church) is sexist because He has set forth in doctrine an all-male priesthood. Using the same logic, you can claim that God is sexist because men cannot bear children. Both claims are equally absurd.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

As I understand the distinctions in the church, you have Clergy and Laity. That’s it. There are no distinctions between male laity and female laity.

That is why I’m confused.

Laymen who have been instituted into the ministries of acolyte and/or lector are different from other laymen and -women. They have proper offices they must perform, and they take precedence in performing other extraordinary duties - like distributing the Eucharist. Really all Lincoln does is make the de facto norms much closer to the de jure norm.

Are there distinctions between lay men and women generally? No. Are there distinctions between lay men who are instituted ministers and other laity? Most certainly.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

On an unrelated (sort of) point, about the Diocese of Lincoln. If I understand correctly, they have one of the highest ratios of vocations to parishoner in the country. I was told (by the rector) this past summer that their seminary in Denton, Our Lady of Guadalupe, had a three-year waiting list to get in.

NB: Our Lady of Guadalupe in Denton is not the diocesan seminary but the seminary for the American province of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, an order dedicated to the celebration of the 1962 missal… (www.fssp.org)

The OP’s article mentioned the name of the diocesan seminary.

 

[rpp]

NB: Our Lady of Guadalupe in Denton is not the diocesan seminary but the seminary for the American province of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, an order dedicated to the celebration of the 1962 missal… (www.fssp.org)

The OP’s article mentioned the name of the diocesan seminary.

Thank you for the correction.

Where does the Diocese of Lincoln send it’s secular seminarians?

 

[Luke77]

Soooo… does anyone know how easy it would be to find a job in Lincoln? Are apartments expesive… oh and how’s the weather there like?

Pax Tecum,
Rocco

Well I think that you questions are a diffrence in opinion depending on who you talk to? The overall cost of living is quite lower in nebraska than other states however there are less high paying jobs than most urban areas. Finding a good job in lincoln is possible and Tech jobs are growing. Just today on the news there was a report of possibly 800 new jobs comming to lincoln soon via Verison.

Lincoln is a college town so rent is a little higher sometimes but the housing market is less expenseive than most. The cost of living may be lower in Omaha with more people, high paying jobs, Utilities costs ect. but not a huge difference.
In my view Lincoln has a large number of practicing and holy young people becasue of a high quality Catholic Education system. The ironic part is that Nebraska is more Protestant per capita population but Lincoln is beaming of Catholics. Omaha has a larger catholic population but is less Conservtive.

 

[E.E.N.S]

My thoughts on the male only priesthood, is that it will not change in my lifetime. There will be married priests before there will be women priests. I think the end of the baby boomers those born after 1960 will start the ball rolling, GenX will pick it up, and the the millieum generation, those born after 1982 will see it in their old age. .

So, please correct me if I am mistaken, but are you saying that you think that there will be female priests in the future?

 

[rpp]

So, please correct me if I am mistaken, but are you saying that you think that there will be female priests in the future?

There are already female priestesses. They have all been excommunicated. They and all others that come after them until the return of our Lord, will not be Catholic nor will they be in communion with Rome.

 

[corvidae]

Thank you for the correction.

Where does the Diocese of Lincoln send it’s secular seminarians?

I am not sure what you mean by secular seminarians, but for diocisan seminarians, there is St. Gregory the Great seminary in Sutton where they send them.

It may not have a three year waiting list but it is a good place, and the guys there are definately formed in their vocation.

A lone Raven

 

[rpp]

I am not sure what you mean by secular seminarians, but for diocisan seminarians, there is St. Gregory the Great seminary in Sutton where they send them.

It may not have a three year waiting list but it is a good place, and the guys there are definately formed in their vocation.

A lone Raven

Thank you for indulging my curiousity.

By “secular” seminarians, I mean docesan seminarians, those not in an order or society, such as Dominican (OP) or Fraternity Society of St. Peter (FSSP).

 

[jman507]

Not me, I’ve lived there my whole life (Midwest) and I get to Lincoln about 4 times a year.

There are not enough tech jobs in NE to support any significant growth of the population. The state will continue to mark modest increases, but nothing significant.

Corn makes ethanol, though NE produces this too, just not as well as Iowa and Illinois. There is talk about using soy stalks for celulose conversion, but it is still just talk. NE has plans for ethanol, IA already has dozens of them.

Hey someone asked about jobs and housing. I told them the truth. NE is a wonderful state, but it can’t support significant nonagricultural growth at this time.

Nohome

Even the billionaire lives in modest housing.

 

[Nohome]

Even the billionaire lives in modest housing.

Just one, but I guess that is why he is a billionaire. Just like every other city, there are some huge houses in Lincoln. You could move there from most anywhere and find a familiar lifestyle. In fact the billionaire’s home would be modest compared to most anything currently under construction.

 

[jman507]

Just one, but I guess that is why he is a billionaire. Just like every other city, there are some huge houses in Lincoln. You could move there from most anywhere and find a familiar lifestyle. In fact the billionaire’s home would be modest compared to most anything currently under construction.

Really though, if your going there, because it is a place where there is a good conservative diocese, then your going to have to live within it’s limitations. One doesn’t have to find employment for thousands, just one or two. Either an employment opportunity will open up or it won’t. Employment in Nebraska tends to not to be too hot nor too cold. Lincoln itself is growing at a steady pace, maybe not so much the rural areas, so atleast in city the job market there shouldn’t be cold. Although if it was a very hot place for employment opportunities then it probably would start to lose how conservative it is.

If anyone wants, that person can check it out, see if its a good fit. And it would be helpful if you could learn to like the Huskers, and there is always the Blue Jays too. No real need to be partial to either.

 

[mommyof4]

Just one, but I guess that is why he is a billionaire. Just like every other city, there are some huge houses in Lincoln. You could move there from most anywhere and find a familiar lifestyle. In fact the billionaire’s home would be modest compared to most anything currently under construction.

Is that Warren Buffet? My mother met him a few weeks ago, had dinner with him at fund raiser. She said that he and his wife were very nice, unassuming people. You woundn’t know that they were two of the richest people in the world by the way they acted. That’s kind of nice to hear, isn’t it?

 

[mommyof4]

If anyone wants, that person can check it out, see if its a good fit. And it would be helpful if you could learn to like the Huskers, and there is always the Blue Jays too. No real need to be partial to either.

Now let’s not forget the UNO Mavericks, too!

 

[jman507]

Now let’s not forget the UNO Mavericks, too!

Oh its Saturday, how could I forget the hockey!

 

[Julianna]

So, please correct me if I am mistaken, but are you saying that you think that there will be female priests in the future?

“I” think so…yes…but then again it’s merely my opinion.

 

[Julianna]

First of all, a Eucharistic Minister is a priest, no one else can confect the Sacrament (which is the very defintion of being a Minister of a Sacrametn. A Minister of Holy Communion, on the other hand, communicates, or distributes the Sacrament.

Secondly, could you explain why it implies an inferiority. So do so implies that there is some superiority to being an EMHC. The only way that the denial of this role to women could express their being inferior is if there was some superiority to being in that role.

Is that your premise, that being an EMHC, or being asked to serve in that role implies a superiority?

Your statement also seems to have the undertones that women somehow have a right to serve at the altar. That has been decidedly condemed by the Vatican.

The Vatican does “condemn” alot of things. If only men can be EMHC…then yes, it could imply that women are inferior to serve in this role, because the Vatican “condemns” it.

 

[Julianna]

There is an old story about the Pope asking God about this. He asks “when will there be married priests”-God says-"not in your lifetime. He then asks when will there be female Priests-God replied “Not in my lifetime”.

The Church is about as likely to ordain women as it is to deny the Resuurection of Christ. Given John Paul the Great’s explicit statment on this one must wonder just what is it about “NO” people dont undertsand?

Yep, that is an “old” story…and guess what…it’s fiction too. Never happened. Just a joke. Scare tactics don’t work on me…and the joke is marginally funny.

 

[Julianna]

I will take you up on your dare.

The all-male priesthood is a doctrine and dogma of the church. Like the resurrection of Jesus. Doctrine is part of the deposit of faith. If one doctrine can change because some people confuse equality with sameness, then so can other doctrines. Some people think the resurrection is just a bit too out there to have really hapened. Hmm. Maybe that should change too.

In fact, with this logic, all doctrine can change. Why even the prohibition against murder and our requirement to help the poor can be eliminated.

That makes all doctrine potentially changable.

But all donctrine comes from God as part of the deposit of faith. So if doctrine changes that means God changes. But if God is perfect and all-knowing, He cannot change. Unless you want to change that doctrine too. If you do, you cannot really claim to be Christian anymore. This is functional atheism; God, if He is there, does not matter because I make God what** I **want Him (her?) to be. Somehow, I do not think I would find that in the Catechism.

If God is unchangeable, then so are His doctrines.

Nope, the all-male priesthood is here to stay. To claim otherwise would ultimately and logically lead me back to atheism. (I am a former atheist.)

I took you up on your dare, now here is a dare from me.

You have expressed femminst views here despite your denial as to what femminism is.I was quoting Rebecca West. True that. Women are as much “church” as men are. I don’t walk lock step with the current feminist movement as I believe they have gone astray from the intent of NOW.

I dare you to demonstrate that your feminism is not about a selfish confusion between equality and sameness.

 

[estesbob]

Yep, that is an “old” story…and guess what…it’s fiction too. Never happened. Just a joke. Scare tactics don’t work on me…and the joke is marginally funny.

Scare tactics???