Lincoln Diocese (in Nebraska) attracts conservative Catholics

[corvidae]

The Vatican does “condemn” alot of things. If only men can be EMHC…then yes, it could imply that women are inferior to serve in this role, because the Vatican “condemns” it.

I said before but it seems to be ignored. There are no EMHC’s in the diocese of lincoln. There are acolytes., which is one of the minor orders of the priesthood. because it is an order (granted an order without a celibacy promise) it is my understanding that it can only be given to males. That is the reason that there are only men who distribute the Eucharist.

Lincoln is not like most diocese in the U.S. because Lincoln looks to Rome as its only instruction. I believe that this is the reason that the diocese of Lincoln was and is so orthodox. It does not become involved in so many of the movements or fads that have become such a part of the Church in the U.S.

Also, it has been blessed with good bishops.

A lone Raven

p.s. Until about four years ago I was part of the diocese of Lincoln, but I had to move because of college. If you have any questions on the diocese, please feel free to PM me.

 

[Brendan]

I said before but it seems to be ignored. There are no EMHC’s in the diocese of lincoln. There are acolytes.,

An acolyte is an EMHC. They are the preffered EMHC, but they are still Extraordinary.

which is one of the minor orders of the priesthood. because it is an order (granted an order without a celibacy promise) it is my understanding that it can only be given to males. .

Not true anymore. Pope Paul suppressed the minor orders within the Latin Rite ( the Eastern Catholics still have them)

Prior to that suppression, the acolyte (also known as the sub deacon) was ordained, but in a non-sacramental way and became a cleric.

An Acolyte is now simply ‘instituted’ and remains a layman after institution.

 

[corvidae]

I apologize if I was displaying my ignorance.

An Acolyte is an EMHC however, an Acolyte is not an EMHC as commonly thought of in the United States. I tired to draw the distinction because people were not understanding that an Acolyte is more than an EMHC, they serve different functions, even if one of those functions is to distribute Holy Communion.

As far as the minor orders being suppressed, I was aware that it happened, however, I was not aware it was still in effect. An Acolyte is a layman instituted to position of aid for the priest. They are not simply deputized when needed, they are to be always there.

A lone Raven

 

[E.E.N.S]

“I” think so…yes…but then again it’s merely my opinion.

Well, in the words of St. Augustine, “Roma locuta est, causa finita est.”

 

[Brendan]

As far as the minor orders being suppressed, I was aware that it happened, however, I was not aware it was still in effect. An Acolyte is a layman instituted to position of aid for the priest. They are not simply deputized when needed, they are to be always there.

A lone Raven

Yes, the role of an Acolyte as a minor order is still in effect. If it was not, the Acolyte would be a cleric and would wear clerical garb ( roman collar) when performing their duties.

As it is now, the Acolyte is a permanentally installed ministry. You are very correct in that they are not simply deputized. Once an acolyte, always an acolyte.

And yes, they are EMHC’s and no other person can act as an EMHC while an acolyte is available. It is only after all priests, deacons and acolytes have been used that other persons can be (temporarily) used as EMHC’s.

 

[Julianna]

Well, in the words of St. Augustine, “Roma locuta est, causa finita est.”

How many women had an “opinion” in St. Augustine’s time? If they did, would it matter? Still St. Augustine was human being…just like the rest of us. All subject to our own thoughts and opinions. I don’t see women as priests in my lifetime…but then again, I don’t know the future and …you don’t either. I can only spectulate.

Most you need to “fast forward” to today.

Rome is a city in Italy, just like Dallas is in Texas.

 

[E.E.N.S]

How many women had an “opinion” in St. Augustine’s time? If they did, would it matter? Still St. Augustine was human being…just like the rest of us. All subject to our own thoughts and opinions. I don’t see women as priests in my lifetime…but then again, I don’t know the future and …you don’t either. I can only spectulate.

I don’t need to see the future, the Church has already spoken on this issue - there will never be female priests. And that is why I quoted St. Augustine, (in case you were unaware of the translation, it meant “Rome has spoken, the case is closed…” essentially.)

Rest assured that you can have the same confidence that there will never be female priests as you can be that 1 Corinthians is a part of the New Testament.

(And if you are aware of the Church’s teachings and still have a problem with that, then I would advise you to do a lot of studying while praying for guidance to accept the will of God.)

 

[rpp]

How many women had an “opinion” in St. Augustine’s time? If they did, would it matter? Still St. Augustine was human being…just like the rest of us. All subject to our own thoughts and opinions. I don’t see women as priests in my lifetime…but then again, I don’t know the future and …you don’t either. I can only spectulate.

Most you need to “fast forward” to today.

Rome is a city in Italy, just like Dallas is in Texas.

How many women had an opinion? I suspect that, by percentage, though not number (popluation increased ) about the same then as now.

There is a strong implication common in much of the popular history taught in many schools and colleges today. It is that people 1,00, 1,500, 2,000 years ago were somehow stupid, racist and misogynist. This is quite incorrect and unsupportable. Just because St Therese of Avila did not have a computer with a high-speed interenet connection does not make her stupid. Well, St. Augustine was a black man (he was from Africa) who eventually became bishop of Milan in Italy! Sounds pretty racist to me. (Not!) If you have ever read his wonderful “City of God”, you may come to different conclusion about him.

If a person wants to remain in communion with the Holy See, he/she must, accept the doctrine of an all male priesthood, among other doctrines like the resurrection and abortion always being wrong. It is not a changeable discipline, it is unchangeable doctrine.

If that somehow offends the conscience or sensibilities of a person, then, like any other moral issue or issue of faith, that is usually a sign of an incomplete or incorrectly formed coscience or incomplete or incorrect catechisis. People who find they have these difficulties should honestly seek to learn more, but should seriously consider whether they should receive Holy Communion from a Church whose doctrines they reject.

 

[Philothea_2.0]

I don’t begrudge anyone the TLM, if that is what the individual believes he/she needs. I like the newer one with singing and a less sack cloth, ashes and breast beating type mass. I have experienced both.

Mass is a holy sacrifice. The body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ is being offered (read: crucified) for your sins right in front of your face. If you want to have a party about it, go ahead, I guess, but I personally think a bit of solemnity is called for.

(For what it’s worth, I am a woman who was born in 1981. I would say that I will fight the notion of a female priesthood until the day I die, except that it’s really a non-issue since it will never, ever happen. Jesus could have picked His mother or Mary Magdalene to be apostles. Lord knows they were more faithful than the twelve. But He did not. He established a male priesthood. His Church has no authority to change what He instituted.)

 

[sneakers]

Mass is a holy sacrifice. The body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ is being offered (read: crucified) for your sins right in front of your face. If you want to have a party about it, go ahead, I guess, but I personally think a bit of solemnity is called for.

(For what it’s worth, I am a woman who was born in 1981. I would say that I will fight the notion of a female priesthood until the day I die, except that it’s really a non-issue since it will never, ever happen. Jesus could have picked His mother or Mary Magdalene to be apostles. Lord knows they were more faithful than the twelve. But He did not. He established a male priesthood. His Church has no authority to change what He instituted.)

 

[sneakers]

Mass is a holy sacrifice. The body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ is being offered (read: crucified) for your sins right in front of your face. If you want to have a party about it, go ahead, I guess, but I personally think a bit of solemnity is called for.

(For what it’s worth, I am a woman who was born in 1981. I would say that I will fight the notion of a female priesthood until the day I die, except that it’s really a non-issue since it will never, ever happen. Jesus could have picked His mother or Mary Magdalene to be apostles. Lord knows they were more faithful than the twelve. But He did not. He established a male priesthood. His Church has no authority to change what He instituted.)

Thank you for that excellent answer, oh young and wise one! Some may not want to accept that the priesthood is and always will be male, but Jesus intended it that way, and to that we must be obedient. There are many who are much older than you who, still, do not get it!

Also, though we have no TLM in our diocese, I agree with you, that solemnity and silent reverence are called for. I would dearly love to see a TLM in one of our local Catholic churches.

 

[E.E.N.S]

Thank you for that excellent answer, oh young and wise one! Some may not want to accept that the priesthood is and always will be male, but Jesus intended it that way, and to that we must be obedient. There are many who are much older than you who, still, do not get it!

Also, though we have no TLM in our diocese, I agree with you, that solemnity and silent reverence are called for. I would dearly love to see a TLM in one of our local Catholic churches.

I sing in the men’s schola at the TLM of Mater Misericordia Mission. It’s absolutley beautiful and full of tradition!

(BTW, I am 25 )

 

[genealogist]

I live in the archdiocese north of Lincoln in Omaha. There are several families who head south each week for the more traditional approach. Likewise many head north from Lincoln to go to Mass in a more “progressive” manner in Omaha. I doubt many would call Archbishop Curtiss progressive but compared to Bishop Bruskewitz he may be.

I like the things I have read about Lincoln. I have only attended a nuptial Mass there once but it was reverent and appropriate.

I would the professor from Grand Island could make the trip here to find Mass more to her liking. If she chooses not to I think that shows her level of practice.

As far as ordaining women it will not happen just as the tribe of Judah were never called to be Temple priests under the old covenant. It is God’s call and we have no evidence that he wants women in ordained ministry. He has sent his mother for many apparitions but she has not commented on this issue.

For those out there who want these changes the mainline churches will welcome you with open arms and pews. Democratic rule in the congregation is not all that great if you look at the bickering that goes on in Catholic parishes and Protestant congregations. A hierarchy is a blessing. The bishops van be flawed but together they protect the deposit of faith.

 

[proud2bcatholic]

I sing in the men’s schola at the TLM of Mater Misericordia Mission. It’s absolutley beautiful and full of tradition!

(BTW, I am 25 )

I sing in the Men’s Schola for the TLM at the Mater Misericordiae parish as well. Have we met before?

(Btw, I am 25 also)

 

[E.E.N.S]

I sing in the Men’s Schola for the TLM at the Mater Misericordiae parish as well. Have we met before?

(Btw, I am 25 also)

 

[OriginalJS]

Plenty of low paying agricultural jobs. Rent is reletively high because of the University. The weather is cold and windy in the winter and very hot and humid in the summer.

That said, Lincoln is a very nice town. Plenty of family oriented fun and the university attracts a lot of cultural events. If you are a sports fan, Lincoln is to college football what Rome is to Catholicisim. Many schools have a football team, Nebraska has a football tradition. The difference is profound.

Nohome

I agree, Nebraska fans are just as enthusiastic as Ohio State. Plus the city has not only the university, but the prison and the seat of state government which together have always made for great economic stability. Overall, I think it is a good place. But, every city has some warts. Some things about Lincoln you should know before you move there are that it retains some less attractice attributes of small towns. The Lincoln newspaper is viewed by many as almost valueless when it comes to in-depth reporting. My relatives who live there say if you want to know what is going on in Lincoln you have to read the Omaha World Herald. They have also told me that in the past few years the city government has assumed an anti-business stance that has discouraged a significant amount of development and prompted some businesses to leave.

Finally, I did some looking at houses in Lincoln a year or so ago. It is true that rents are high, but if you buy I think you can find decent, safe housing for reasonable prices.

 

[Tom317]

I said before but it seems to be ignored. There are no EMHC’s in the diocese of lincoln. There are acolytes., which is one of the minor orders of the priesthood. because it is an order (granted an order without a celibacy promise) it is my understanding that it can only be given to males. That is the reason that there are only men who distribute the Eucharist.

Lincoln is not like most diocese in the U.S. because Lincoln looks to Rome as its only instruction. I believe that this is the reason that the diocese of Lincoln was and is so orthodox. It does not become involved in so many of the movements or fads that have become such a part of the Church in the U.S.

Also, it has been blessed with good bishops.

A lone Raven

p.s. Until about four years ago I was part of the diocese of Lincoln, but I had to move because of college. If you have any questions on the diocese, please feel free to PM me.

Are you saying the diocese of Lincoln ignores the U.S. Bishops conference?

 

[Brendan]

The Vatican does “condemn” alot of things. If only men can be EMHC…then yes, it could imply that women are inferior to serve in this role, because the Vatican “condemns” it.

So you belives that being an EMCH makes one superior to another?

 

[corvidae]

Are you saying the diocese of Lincoln ignores the U.S. Bishops conference?

In some cases it does, and this is the reason. The USCCB is not a governing body. They are there to draft statements reached as a consensus of the Church in the United States. The Catholic Church as a whole does not give the USCCB any authority.

The authority in the Church is given to individual bishops and to the pope as the head of the bishops. Now, that is two distinct, and very different authorities. However, there is no authority given to a group of bishops, no matter how small or how large, outside of a legitimate ecumenical council.

So, while the diocese of Lincoln may agree with some things that the USCCB says, it does not need to hold to the rulings of the USCCB. Bishop Bruskewitz violates no civil nor canon law when he dissents from the USCCB.

Another good quote to give you an idea of who lincoln looks to to form its own diocese “Where Peter is, there is the Church, and where the Church is, there is Salvation.”

A lone Raven

 

[Tom317]

In some cases it does, and this is the reason. The USCCB is not a governing body. They are there to draft statements reached as a consensus of the Church in the United States. The Catholic Church as a whole does not give the USCCB any authority.

The authority in the Church is given to individual bishops and to the pope as the head of the bishops. Now, that is two distinct, and very different authorities. However, there is no authority given to a group of bishops, no matter how small or how large, outside of a legitimate ecumenical council.

So, while the diocese of Lincoln may agree with some things that the USCCB says, it does not need to hold to the rulings of the USCCB. Bishop Bruskewitz violates no civil nor canon law when he dissents from the USCCB.

Another good quote to give you an idea of who lincoln looks to to form its own diocese “Where Peter is, there is the Church, and where the Church is, there is Salvation.”

A lone Raven

I agree that it is not a governing body. Yet the body does exert much control and authority even if it is not a governing body. For example: even in small things like eating meat on Friday the USCCB managed to get an exception for United States Catholics, despite the fact that the Universal Church law retains the law of not eating meat of Firdays. In the case of Friday penance, in the United States if one does not do penance, they do not suffer sin and the Bishop of Lincoln cannot change that ruling made by the Vatican after the collective body of U.S. Bishops asked for it. So, the USCCB cannot make these rulings, yet they can heavily petition the Vatican and in that case they got the exception (an exception I do not like btw). So, is it wise to take a position of ignoring the USCCB when that body of Bishops exert much control and sometimes changed by the use of their collective voice?