List of 14 States Where Governors Rejected Federal Abstinent Money

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Virginia, California, Connecticut, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Rhode Island, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

Planned Parenthood is putting pressure on Governors(No. Carolina)…

ppaction.org/campaign/easley_no
 
Thanks. I have contacted the Governor’s office to encourage him to join the other states in rejecting pressure to provide an education that doesn’t educate.
 
Virginia, California, Connecticut, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Rhode Island, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

Planned Parenthood is putting pressure on Governors(No. Carolina)…

ppaction.org/campaign/easley_no
The governors of these states need to be pressured to eliminate all sex education from public schools. It is not their place to teach such things.
 
The governors of these states need to be pressured to eliminate all sex education from public schools. It is not their place to teach such things.
So your solution for children who have parents who don’t care to inform them , or don’t belong to any religion, should learn of this information how would you say?
 
Sorry but I have no familiarity with this legislation. I went to the site and still remain confused. Why are you against a state receiving abstinance money? What education are they only getting partially? I would presume Catholics would endorse abstinance teaching? I am apparently missing something.
 
The governors of these states need to be pressured to eliminate all sex education from public schools. It is not their place to teach such things.
I had a girlfriend in college who went to a public school that had no sex education. Of course, her parents never bothered to teach her anything either. Everything she knew, she learned from friends (quite a bit of it was wrong). She couldn’t even name many of her own body parts.
 
Sorry but I have no familiarity with this legislation. I went to the site and still remain confused. Why are you against a state receiving abstinance money? What education are they only getting partially? I would presume Catholics would endorse abstinance teaching? I am apparently missing something.
stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=213148 and coolnurse.com/teen_pregnancy_rates.htm may give you a fuller picture.

Personally, I am not against a state receiving “abstinence money” or including a stress on abstinence in sex ed programs. I am against “abstinence only money”. I agree that abstinence is indeed the best way to avoid pregnancy, STDs, etc and the most appropriate course of action for teens. Sex belongs in a lifelong committed relationship between adults prepared to accept the potential consequences of their actions—emotional, physical, etc. In an ideal world, this would happen. We don’t live in an ideal world.

I object to using the money to pressure states into providing only abstinence education rather than comprehensive sex ed, including information on safer sex, use of contraceptives, etc. I have seen the effects of abstinence-only education in my own family. I have six step-nieces who received abstinence only education at school, home and church. Five of them were pregnant teens when they married. Abstinence-only education obviously did not mean that they actually abstained. My sister and I received more comprehensive sex ed at home and at school—neither of us was pregnant when we married nor sexually active as teens. Anecdotal? Certainly, but it informs my choices of which to support.
 
So your solution for children who have parents who don’t care to inform them , or don’t belong to any religion, should learn of this information how would you say?
That is up to those children’s parents to decide, when, if, and how. Not my place to decide, nor the government’s, nor the public schools’.
 
I object to using the money to pressure states into providing only abstinence education rather than comprehensive sex ed, including information on safer sex, use of contraceptives, etc…
How would you feel if you heard about states that were rejecting an abstinece only model for spousal abuse?

Would it make you feel any better if these states recognized that some guys are just going to beat their wives anyway, so that we might as well give them good information on the use of boxing gloves?

Does the fact that some people are not going to listen to a ‘abstinence only’ sposal abuse message mean that such a program is not the best solution, or that ‘safter’ sposal abuse needs to be taught?
 
How would you feel if you heard about states that were rejecting an abstinece only model for spousal abuse?

Would it make you feel any better if these states recognized that some guys are just going to beat their wives anyway, so that we might as well give them good information on the use of boxing gloves?

Does the fact that some people are not going to listen to a ‘abstinence only’ sposal abuse message mean that such a program is not the best solution, or that ‘safter’ sposal abuse needs to be taught?
Spousal abuse is a crime of violence. Rape is a crime of violence. Teens having consensual sex is not a crime of violence (an issue of stupidity, perhaps, or poor judgment, but not violence). Sex education that includes information on how and why one uses a condom is not the equivalent of a “how to better rape” session. Bad analogy.
 
Spousal abuse is a crime of violence. Rape is a crime of violence. Teens having consensual sex is not a crime of violence (an issue of stupidity, perhaps, or poor judgment, but not violence). Sex education that includes information on how and why one uses a condom is not the equivalent of a “how to better rape” session. Bad analogy.
Sure it is. It is a crime of emotional and spiritual violence.

Emotional, in that they are lying to each other, engaging in an act that speaks of a permanent relationship and lifelong commitment, but without the commitment of marriage. That is a lie.

Spiritual, in that it kills the soul of the participant. That’s even worse than bodily violence.

A non abstient sex ed program is effectively teaching our kids how to lie to each other and to commit emotional violence.
 
Sure it is. It is a crime of emotional and spiritual violence.
Exactly. Much worse than physical violence. Although one could argue it is also physical violence.
Emotional, in that they are lying to each other, engaging in an act that speaks of a permanent relationship and lifelong commitment, but without the commitment of marriage. That is a lie.
Some would like to say there is a such thing as a committed relationship apart from that of marriage, which is another lie.
 
stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=213148 and coolnurse.com/teen_pregnancy_rates.htm may give you a fuller picture.

Personally, I am not against a state receiving “abstinence money” or including a stress on abstinence in sex ed programs. I am against “abstinence only money”. I agree that abstinence is indeed the best way to avoid pregnancy, STDs, etc and the most appropriate course of action for teens. Sex belongs in a lifelong committed relationship between adults prepared to accept the potential consequences of their actions—emotional, physical, etc. In an ideal world, this would happen. We don’t live in an ideal world.

I object to using the money to pressure states into providing only abstinence education rather than comprehensive sex ed, including information on safer sex, use of contraceptives, etc. I have seen the effects of abstinence-only education in my own family. I have six step-nieces who received abstinence only education at school, home and church. Five of them were pregnant teens when they married. Abstinence-only education obviously did not mean that they actually abstained. My sister and I received more comprehensive sex ed at home and at school—neither of us was pregnant when we married nor sexually active as teens. Anecdotal? Certainly, but it informs my choices of which to support.
Gotcha…I agree. I think abstinence only is siimply inadequate and not likely to achieve what we desire in the long run. More information is usually always better than limited information.
 
That is up to those children’s parents to decide, when, if, and how. Not my place to decide, nor the government’s, nor the public schools’.
Gotcha, the interests of children do not matter. If their parents are incapable or unwilling to teach any sex education, the kids can just get it as best they can, right or wrong. An interesting, if somewhat emotionally detached belief.
 
Sure it is. It is a crime of emotional and spiritual violence.

Emotional, in that they are lying to each other, engaging in an act that speaks of a permanent relationship and lifelong commitment, but without the commitment of marriage. That is a lie.

Spiritual, in that it kills the soul of the participant. That’s even worse than bodily violence.

A non abstient sex ed program is effectively teaching our kids how to lie to each other and to commit emotional violence.
You enunciate a purely Catholic point of view, and while many might agree, this is not the way the world at large looks at sex. I submit it would be most improper to force everyone to live by Caholic norms. You seem willing to allow much pain and much damage in order to preserve your Catholic beliefs unsullied by talk of contraception. While you personally have every right to believe as you do, we haven’t become a theocratic state quite yet.
 
Gotcha, the interests of children do not matter.
Sure they do.
If their parents are incapable or unwilling to teach any sex education, the kids can just get it as best they can, right or wrong. An interesting, if somewhat emotionally detached belief.
Yes, that is their parents’ call how, when, and if to teach such things. Would you say you have the right to decide for my children what they should be learning about sex education? I say no.
 
Sure they do.
Yes, that is their parents’ call how, when, and if to teach such things. Would you say you have the right to decide for my children what they should be learning about sex education? I say no.
You would be surprised at what is in the interest of the state to regulate. I think a very good argument could be made that the state has a vested interest in their citizenry being adequately informed on the basics of sexual alternatives/and health measures. Its the state who trumps your rights as a parent, not I’.
 
You enunciate a purely Catholic point of view, and while many might agree, this is not the way the world at large looks at sex. I submit it would be most improper to force everyone to live by Caholic norms. You seem willing to allow much pain and much damage in order to preserve your Catholic beliefs unsullied by talk of contraception. While you personally have every right to believe as you do, we haven’t become a theocratic state quite yet.
The part about spirtual violence is certainly Catholic teaching ( which dosen’t make is any less true)

The part about emotional violence is certainly true from a secular standpoint.

How many teens feel better about themselves after a sexual encounter? How many feel more secure in their bodily image? How many consider the act to be a selfless act of giving, not of personal reception?

All of that is what true sex is about, and these teens are lying to each other when then falsifly the act. It becomes an emotionally demeaning experience, especially for the girls. In other words, it’s emotionally violent.
 
You would be surprised at what is in the interest of the state to regulate.
No I wouldn’t be. Fortunately it is not in the interest of the state to decide what my children should know about such things, nor how to teach it to them.
I think a very good argument could be made that the state has a vested interest in their citizenry being adequately informed on the basics of sexual alternatives/and health measures.
No the state does not have a vested interested in teaching immoral alternatives even in the interest of health.
Its the state who trumps your rights as a parent, not I’.
Actually, no the state does not trump my rights. It is my decision how to raise and educate my children on these matters.
 
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