List of Common Mortal Sins

[Idisto]

Gunner:

I have read your stuff on Fatima, you are clutching at straws. 70,000 witnesses saw the miracle over 600 square miles. Thuis is not mass hysteria.

Then why didn’t everyone see it? Why don’t the accounts agree?

Gunner:

I met a witness who saw the miracle in a village 20 miles North of Fatima, her husband (deceased) saw it some 30 miles South. This lady was a very holy and pious woman with no hidden agenda and no sins to hide. She told me as a matter of fact and could not believe that people could deny this HAPPENED.

You have no idea whether she has sins to hide. You’ve even implied that I have sins to hide when you don’t even know anything about me! You don’t think that other religions can produce little old ladies to attest to seeing miracles more than 80 years ago? Or are they not holy because they’re “infidels”?

Gunner:

It is obvious to me, you cannot bear that the Catholic Church is the true church, probably in my humblest opinion because you cannot live up to its holy demands.

How would you know? You don’t know ANYTHING about me!!!

Gunner:

You will still meet the King of Kings at the end of your life as I will. Please God we will both meet him in a state of Grace.

Says you.

Gunner:

Check out the list of mortal sins to see what that means.

I know what mortal sins are! I used to go to confession more than once per week! I examined my conscience more than once per day! Who are you to preach to me about studying?!?

 

[Toni]

Looks pretty good but I wish I could find one like it but simplified for the younger students I teach. But for adults its pretty good.

 

[Idisto]

NOTE TO ALL: I find it counter-productive to continue discussing my essay in a public forum because of the difficulty of keeping discussions separate and focused. I will more than happily continue discussions via PM or e-mail (available at the bottom of my essay). I will not respond directly in the forum to avoid the headache of keeping everything straight in my mind and the pressure I feel to respond quickly before someone else adds additional material to another person’s argument and confuses everything. Thank you.

 

[Gunner]

NOTE TO ALL: I find it counter-productive to continue discussing my essay in a public forum because of the difficulty of keeping discussions separate and focused. I will more than happily continue discussions via PM or e-mail (available at the bottom of my essay). I will not respond directly in the forum to avoid the headache of keeping everything straight in my mind and the pressure I feel to respond quickly before someone else adds additional material to another person’s argument and confuses everything. Thank you.

Best do a runner, If you cannot stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

God loves you, go with your objective conscience.

 

[Gunner]

Idisto:

Then why didn’t everyone see it? Why don’t the accounts agree?

Look at ALL the evidence, what two accounts of anything ever fuly agree. If 68,998 people say the sun danced and 2 people say it did not, who would the jury believe? This miracle happened and will not go away for you. You can use one or two liners to dismiss it, but it still does not go away because GET THIS, it HAPPENED, it is TRUE.

Idisto:

You have no idea whether she has sins to hide. You’ve even implied that I have sins to hide when you don’t even know anything about me! You don’t think that other religions can produce little old ladies to attest to seeing miracles more than 80 years ago? Or are they not holy because they’re “infidels”?

Again, you try to discredit a little old Lady with no axe to grind as you cannot bear more independent affirmation of this miracle, which AFFIRMS all we as Catholic’s believe.

I do not deny other miracles or maybe demon inspired preternatural events occur and people may witness them. I just know that Jesus is the Truth and so is his Church. To be led astray by miracles only would not be prudent. It is the message behind them and what they affirm that really matters.

Idisto:

How would you know? You don’t know ANYTHING about me!!!"?

I know quite a bit

1. You do not walk in the Truth
2. You suffer from Original sin
3. Your argumentation is subjective and when you are losing an argument you use dismissive one liners as the only way to save face.

Says you.

Idisto:

I know what mortal sins are! I used to go to confession more than once per week! I examined my conscience more than once per day! Who are you to preach to me about studying?!?

I am a nobody to preach to you, a simple sinner like most of mankind, but as a nobody (Like all the 12 apostles) I am well placed to preach to you a stranger as you can only focus on what I say and not me personally. You know to go into apostasy is an objective mortal sin. This is serious, you need to work your conscience hard on this one. If you cannot disprove Fatima and all that it affirms, looking at ALL the evidence, for the sake of your soul in conscience I would advise you out of true Charity to come back home to Rome.

God Loves You, go with your objective conscience.

 

[amarischuk]

Fatima is (possibly) private revelation. No Catholic is required to believe it.

That said, the argument from miracles for the proof of God’s existence is notoriously bad and not necessarily supportive of Catholicism. I cannot think of any decent Catholic philosopher or theologian who uses such an argument. Not Anslem, Abelard, Aquinas, Descartes, Pascal, Maritain or de Lubac.

Gunner, you have done more harm than good. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Idisto, I am sorry to hear of your loss of faith. I am in a similar position as you, being a former seminarian who has undergone a serious reevaluation of my faith. I ask that you please not take the reactionary Catholicism you encounter here as indicative of the true spirit of Catholicism.

If you are looking for a good intellectual discussion of the problems of God’s existence, read Norris Clarke’s ‘The One and the Many’ or email me at amarischuk@hotmail.com

I cannot guarantee anything resembling a coherent response, but I have spent many years studying philosophy, history and literature (not necessarily in that order). Currently I am teaching in Taiwan so I do not have access to my library back in Canada. That said, I brought with me several philosophical books for pleasure reading.

Adam

 

[cominghome]

O.K. I think it’s time to do a reality check regarding this list. Generally speaking it is close to accurate and I see how the “wasting time” can be a sin if you fail to do something that you should. But, someone needs to explain the whole bit about the naked elbows. I believe that modesty is required so that we don’t incite lust in another person. If I walk down the street in my t-shirt is there anyone out there that will be filled with lust because they see my elbows? If so, I believe that person is in some serious need of professional help. I don’t know that I’ve ever heard someone tell me that they find elbows attractive. I’ve spent 23 years in the Army and have been in situations where almost every part of a person’s body was discussed (you know what I mean) but I don’t ever remember hearing about a person’s elbow.

I believe this is a case of some puritan thinking that the Church doesn’t go far enough in defining sin. I hope this doesn’t land me in hell without an electric fan but I have to say “GIVE ME A BREAK”.