List of similarity in doctrine with catholics and mormons

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To the Original Poster.

I think it’s safe to say Mormon’s and Catholics have significant overalp in Scripture (can’t be avoided since we share the Bible)

It’s also safe to say we have **significant differences **in Apostolic Tradition.

It’s up to you to weight the importance of Scripture vs Apostolic Tradion.
 
StrawberryJam said:
This starts to get into the Trinity, and while I am not debating the points for or against- I am more interested in what you explained about theosis.

I know this is a very frustrating topic to all here, and I apologize for that.

I am simply relying on people here of good will to give me more information for me to digest, rather than getting pre-digested versions.
Your reply is helpful, and is giving me more to think about on a seperate topic.
I just want to focus on the original sin thing, theosis, and the other topics I see are in same yet not mentioned explicitly.
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All doctrines are tied together in some way. The LDS understanding of God is at the foundation of many of the theological differences between Mormonism and Catholicism.

For LDS, there is only a difference in degree of power and glory, between you and their god.

For Catholics, a tree is not a cat, a cat is not a man, and a man is not God.
 
Todd520 said:
Rebecca, i think you are splitting hairs and missing the real points

rephrasing what you said,
  • Catholic through grace, man becomes what God is
    The moromon’s also believe that through grace, man can become what God is.
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What is God? There is where the split is, and it isn’t the width of a hair. It’s a very wide divide.
Mormon’s do not believe they become God’s equal, so maybe the terms Saint or Angelic would work better for a Catholic.
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No, it wouldn’t. I thought you said you were Catholic before becoming LDS?
And let’s not start disceting the subtle differences in our definitions of the Trinity. We leave it at there are differences. Incidently, this stems from the nicene creed and not the Bible.
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Subtle? Very funny statement there. lol.

The Trinity is taught in the Bible. Many teachings of the LDS church, are not.
 
RebeccaJ said:
They are not separate things. Scripture comes from Tradition.
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They are separate and distinct bodies of work, united in their nature/purpose 😃
First existed Scripture, then sacred Tradion was added by the Church

From the library on this site:
In the Second Vatican Council’s document on divine revelation, Dei Verbum (Latin: “The Word of God”), the relationship between Tradition and Scripture is explained: "Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end. For sacred Scripture is the word of God inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the divine Spirit. To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition hands on in its full purity God’s word, which was entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
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Rebecca & Steve,
I edited my above post with the proper Catholic definition of Sacred Scripture vs Sacred Tradion.

Of course, the Bible (sacred scripture) was created out of oral tradition. Let’s just use the offical definitions to keep the discussion clean.
 
Todd520 said:
Rebecca & Steve,
I edited my above post with the proper Catholic definition of Sacred Scripture vs Sacred Tradion.

Of course, the Bible (sacred scripture) was created out of oral tradition. Let’s just use the offical definitions to keep the discussion clean.
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Of course, the Bible (sacred scripture) was created out of -]oral/-] Sacred Tradition.
 
Todd520 said:
First existed Scripture, then sacred Tradion was added by the Church

From the library on this site:
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I am not sure how you come up with scripture was first, and Tradition was added.

The scriptures were handed down by oral tradition before they were written down, and canonized.

The portion of the document you quoted does not put one as first, and the other being added.
 
any similarities are merely coincidental.

Catholics believe in the God of the Bible. Mormons believe in an odd little god who was once a sinful man.

Catholics follow Christ. Mormons follow false prophets.

Catholics follow the Bible and Sacred Tradition. Mormons follow a fictional book that has no basis in history, anthropology, geography, archeology, or any science.

Catholics have a God that is unchanging and all-powerful. Mormons have a little god who changes his mind whenever money and/or property is at stake (ie. polygamy and black holding the priesthood/racism).

Catholics beleive heaven is a free gift from God, Mormons have to pay their way to heaven (thru forced tithing).

Catholics believe in God’s Mercy, Mormons, until recently, believed you could spill blood to save others (blood oath).

Catholics believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Mormons believe Jesus and Satan were brothers.

Catholics believe Mary is forever Virgin, Mormons believe that God had actual physical sex with Mary.

Catholics believe that Jesus is also God, powerful honest, and merciful, Moormons believe that Jesus was weak, dishonest and cruel (for that is the ONLY way there could have been a total Apostasy).

Catholics can visit cities and places in the Bible, Mormons can’t agree on where the BM took place, much less visit any of sites.

Catholics believe that a calling to serve God is special and personal and can last a lifetime, Mormons don;t wait for God to call, they expect their youths to go at 19 and only spend 2 years as a break between two years of college.

And those are just some of the differences.
 
Your own site defines Sacred Scripture as the Bible (Yes it’s a collection of holy traditions but it is now called Sacred Scripture instead of Tradition)

And Sacred Tradition as what the curch adds on top of the Sacred Scripture.

I find this very clear and don’t understand the confusion

In summary:
Catholics and Mormons share the core Sacred Scripture (the Bible)
Catholics have 2k years of Sacred Tradition not shared by Mormons
Mormons have additional Sacred Scripture and “Tradion” not shared by Catholics.
 
Todd520 said:
Your own site defines Sacred Scripture as the Bible (Yes it’s a collection of holy traditions
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Yes, Scripture is Catholic Tradition
Todd520 said:
And Sacred Tradition as what the curch adds on top of the Sacred Scripture.
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Scripture is Catholic Tradition
Todd520 said:
In summary:
Catholics and Mormons share the core Sacred Scripture (the Bible)
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Yes, Mormonism accepts Catholic tradition in what makes up the canon of the New Testament.
 
Todd520 said:
Mormons will argue that the Catholic description doesn’t work logicaly for humans to comprehend.

Mormon - Jesus prayed to his Father,who repliedf, and the Holy Ghost came down as a dove.
Catholic - God prayed to himself, respnded, then sent himself down to visit himself.

Thinking of three distinct beings united in purpose makes sense to human beings (vs God having a multiple personality disorder). This question can’t be answered until we know the true essence of God (next life)
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Todd has just lost all credibility with me. 😦 This is the sort of stuff we hear from 14 year-olds. If a Mormon posts long enough, this sort of childishness will always come out.
 
Todd520 said:
To StrawberryJam,
I liked what I knew of Carl Sagan but am not deep on his writings or philosophy

On the Trinity, I think Catholics and Mormons are describing the same thing, but from different sides of the same Elephant.

Catholic (I think i have this right) Father, Son and Holy Spirit are of the “same substance”; three persons in one being

Mormon: Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three distinct beings who are “one in purpose”

If you ask me, both definitions tells a story that yields the same results.
So it’s 3 persons in one being vs. 3 persons in one purpose

Remember that we are talking about the unknowable, the substance of God. And this was written long before we had our minds expanded watching capt kirk meet new life forms 😃

Mormons will argue that the Catholic description doesn’t work logicaly for humans to comprehend.

Mormon - Jesus prayed to his Father,who repliedf, and the Holy Ghost came down as a dove.
Catholic - God prayed to himself, respnded, then sent himself down to visit himself.

Thinking of three distinct beings united in purpose makes sense to human beings (vs God having a multiple personality disorder). This question can’t be answered until we know the true essence of God (next life)
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Maybe you should become more familiar with Isaiah 55 : 8-9…to paraphrase, God’s ways are not man’s ways, God’s thoughts are not man’s thoughts.

As you see, it has already been explained, by scripture, that God is nothing man can comprehend.

Unfortunately, it is mormons that have to have a definition of their god that works logically for them.
 
twopekinguys said:
Maybe you should become more familiar with Isaiah 55 : 8-9…to paraphrase, God’s ways are not man’s ways, God’s thoughts are not man’s thoughts.

As you see, it has already been explained, by scripture, that God is nothing man can comprehend.

Unfortunately, it is mormons that have to have a definition of their god that works logically for them.
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This has always been the LDS problem and the reason Joe needed to create the heretical god that CoLDS now worship: they needed to put God into a little box they could comprehend. So, they invented god, leaving God behind
 
CatholicGuyNY said:
Again, we’re talking about a fundamental concept, who we are as humans, and who God is, and the relationship between us.
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Todd 520:
CatholicGuy,
Sorry but I don’t see any fundamental differences in how we see God.
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I think I know why Todd 520 can not see the difference between the Catholic conception of God and the LDS conception of God. It is because he is looking at the doctrines through LDS lenses. He sees the LDS doctrine in LDS statements and he sees the LDS doctrine in Catholic statements. When a Catholic document says ‘we become part of the divine nature’, he sees the LDS view as the same and therefore no fundamental difference exists to him. He’s latching onto what is the same in the statements, not what is different in them.

I think the individual who started the thread can discern that there is in fact a fundamental difference between the two views of God and that they really are not fundamentally the same.
 
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