List of Social Injustices that some prefer to ignore

[Texas_Roofer]

How can they rebuy the house if their credit is ruined??? They shouldn’t be allowed to do this. If they are, then change the laws. What a home is worth now is only ink on paper. What people forget is that home values should go back up in a few years once this is over. People shouldn’t panic over what someone else is telling them their home is worth now if they are planning to stay there long term.

so how will you re-write the law? also if you pursue this path of let prices fall as was done in first half of 1920 and again from 1929- through much of the 1930’s it will be all things not just houses. what do you expect mortgage company stock to be worth once millions of forclosures occur? and insurances companies once they payout the business losses the insured. what about the employment of maitenance to houses workers, and house builders? (spiral down, spiral down)

 

[hazcompat]

Economics is a social science. it has been awhile but in the definition of supply and demand how do you account for “willing” and “able”?

peace

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Economics is a social science. it has been awhile but in the definition of supply and demand how do you account for “willing” and “able”?

peace

Economics addresses willing and able of traders but not of non-traders. For example when a mom buys diapers we show that as inelastic demand. However if a disabled person with no family, job, or money is unable to trade for a lack of being willing and able it is not accounted for in economics at all. The disabled in capitalistic societies are burdens of the family and beggars without family. In communism and socialism (in the catholic form) these people are wards of the state. One of the problems economist watch is if everybody is a ward of the state there is no incentive to work, so all are consumer(demand) but none are producers(supply). That is called a trade inequity and thus a big issue when government is too involved.

 

[hazcompat]

Economics addresses willing and able of traders but not of non-traders. For example when a mom buys diapers we show that as inelastic demand. However if a disabled person with no family, job, or money is unable to trade for a lack of being willing and able it is not accounted for in economics at all. The disabled in capitalistic societies are burdens of the family and beggars without family. In communism and socialism (in the catholic form) these people are wards of the state. One of the problems economist watch is if everybody is a ward of the state there is no incentive to work, so all are consumer(demand) but none are producers(supply). That is called a trade inequity and thus a big issue when government is too involved.

thank you

peace

 

[ManOnFire]

so how will you re-write the law? also if you pursue this path of let prices fall as was done in first half of 1920 and again from 1929- through much of the 1930’s it will be all things not just houses. what do you expect mortgage company stock to be worth once millions of forclosures occur? and insurances companies once they payout the business losses the insured. what about the employment of maitenance to houses workers, and house builders? (spiral down, spiral down)

Except in the 1920s, the man went to work while the woman stayed at home to raise a large family on a single income. Today’s typical families have 2 kids where one or both parents work at least part time. Remember, the malls, movies and restaurants are still packed, even with the high cost of gas. The IT business needs to be flooded with more workers. They charge high rates for push-a-button-and-wait. That industry could easily double it’s work force and cut the existing $75 per hour wages in half to support it.

 

[Phil_Stone]

1. If you corrupt the government so that your taxes are far less than fair, are you still rendering Caesar his due? I do know that even though one dollar spent on IRS staff yields $10 through investigations and audits, the current Congress is reducing IRS staff “to reduce the deficit.”
2. Though readily understood by all, it is often forgotten that teachers are generally an low paid class of people, while investment bankers are quite the opposite. In consequence, Republicans usually line up to pursue Wall Street jobs, rather than teaching children how to read. Likewise, the media jobs Republicans usually pursue are those of pundit, which are better paid, while the Democrat, if he is a democrat, is more concerned with getting the full truth to the people, in order to maximize the effectiveness of a democracy. This naturally leads to Republicans on Wall Street, and writing their opinions, and Democrats teaching students and creating the journalistic content. And more Democrats in any given teacher’s union.

 

[Phil_Stone]

One major reason that government gets involved in the economy is to actually make the market work better.

For example, when information about products are available, the people in the market can make a better judgement about which product to purchase, and whether it is worth the price. Sometimes accurate information is only available when it is produced under compulsion of law. Ironically many supposed advocates of Market Economies fiercely oppose disclosure of any kind. And yet we can see how much the Stock Market( and its traders) , for example, have benefitted from the Securities laws which arose from the New Deal, rebuilding the reputaion which was destroyed by the Crash of '29. Indeed untill recently the Market continued to benefit from the goodwill and trust generated by these regulations despite the deregulation of the Market over the last 30 years. Now people feel they don’t have much choice but to put their money into the Market.

Similarly, the law serves to avoid the “socialisation” of costs. When one firm obtains lower costs, and so can compete better at a lower price, by passing those costs off to society in general, or even part of it, then the business benefits unfairly, and the diseconomy may have significant costs to society. For example if a process creates pollution which raises the health care costs of society, or forces construction of a bigger and more sophisticated water treatment facilities to re-purify the water, or even causes people’s well water to become toxic and flammable,(as we sometimes see with fracking), the real costs dont go to the product, and the market is distorted.

Another way that the law helps the Market is by holding everyone to the same standard. This has many potential benefits. For example, as the Securities regulations resuscitated Wall Street, Federal deposit insurance rescued the banking and lending industries.In the recent economic crisis, a run on the banks would only have made things worse, and the FDIC and FSLIC helped avoid that. Given that the average account holder had no way of knowing that his bank was overinvested in toxic securities which had somehow been certiifed as safe by the rating companies, and that the insurance held against them was from a company engaged in a fraud which its own auditors did not report, there was no way that the Market of thrift consumers could have been more pro-active and avoided the calamity. The Fed had already refused to oversee things (as oversight and regulation was denied by the pre-New Deal Supreme Court), so how were you or I to know just how risky any investment in Wall Street had become?

Likewise, by holding all firms to the same standard in some areas, it allows better competition in others. For example, Health and Safety standards dont allow firms to pass the costs on to the employees and their families, particularly when the firm is usually far more cognizant of the dangers involved. The standards force competition to focus on things like wages, which can be equally understood. And they prevent some firms from competing by using increasingly dangerous techniques, and firms being forced to follow.

 

[bobbyshort]

Of course, everything has its context. To a libertarian, regulating banking would be despicable. To a utilitarian, failure to do so would be unjust. Social justice is also generational. My great grandparents were extreme racists. There are actually people today who would deny civil rights to gays. To people my age, this is like racism was to my parents.

It is all about context and progress.

 

[zz912]

1. If you corrupt the government so that your taxes are far less than fair, are you still rendering Caesar his due? I do know that even though one dollar spent on IRS staff yields $10 through investigations and audits, the current Congress is reducing IRS staff “to reduce the deficit.”
2. Though readily understood by all, it is often forgotten that teachers are generally an low paid class of people, while investment bankers are quite the opposite. In consequence, Republicans usually line up to pursue Wall Street jobs, rather than teaching children how to read. Likewise, the media jobs Republicans usually pursue are those of pundit, which are better paid, while the Democrat, if he is a democrat, is more concerned with getting the full truth to the people, in order to maximize the effectiveness of a democracy. This naturally leads to Republicans on Wall Street, and writing their opinions, and Democrats teaching students and creating the journalistic content. And more Democrats in any given teacher’s union.

Do you have a citation for either of your assertions?

Last I had seen, those on Wall Street were more Democrat than Republican. And their political donations were more for the D’s than R’s. Do you have something to back up your post?

One final point, you do realize that the United States is NOT a democracy, right? We were intentionally founded NOT to be a democracy.

 

[zz912]

One major reason that government gets involved in the economy is to actually make the market work better.

This is a figment of your imagination.

 

[Captain_America]

Economics is hardly a science. Don’t let the math charts fool you. There’s a TON of moral choices being made in the definitions of the terms, in the assessment of the economic context.

If anything, by now, in 2011, we should be leery of economists trying to “improve” the world by laissez faire capitalism, as well as by communism.

It’s SO easy to get emotionally connected to economic ideologies…

HERE’s the social injustice we should be concerned about: why is the structure of our social life increasingly being set by policies made to favor the wealthy? “Might makes right” sounds wrong; so, too, does “Dollars make right.”

(FYI: I’ve read MUCH economics).

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Do you have a citation for either of your assertions?

Last I had seen, those on Wall Street were more Democrat than Republican. And their political donations were more for the D’s than R’s. Do you have something to back up your post?

One final point, you do realize that the United States is NOT a democracy, right? We were intentionally founded NOT to be a democracy.

This is a figment of your imagination.

These posts seem rather reasonable. At the heart of capitalism is the concept that competition will drive people to work, and consistent trades will move assets. Both core concepts fail in pure capitalism. For example monopolies stop competition, and trades often occur under duress which violates free trade principles. For an easier example I was just talking with someone at work about the history of drugs in the US a rather stark failure of capitalism. Even today people buy generic vitamins, other chemicals, and supplements, crush re-pill and packages as miracle cures, diet plans, sleep controls…etc. This type of trade is based on trading under a false knowledge, which again is a violation of free trade principles. As was pointed out in the post, traders (commodities, stocks, bonds, etc.) are very much like the core plan of capitalism, while teachers are not.

Btw did you happen to listen to the retired supreme court justices discuss a growing concern on elected judges making rulings of all types on the corporate contributors who supported their election run?

 

[CollegeStinks]

I am absolutely disgusted with the fact that nobody has brought up human trafficking. That is in my mind the gravest evil in the modern world that people not only ignore but are just plain unaware of.

Newsflash people: There are now more slaves in the world than there ever has been. Ever. There are tens of thousands of children and even adults IN THIS COUNTRY ALONE kidnapped annually and sold into the sex trade or labour trade, transported across the globe, drugged up, viscously raped on a daily basis, tortured, ridiculed, abused, maligned, tormented, killed, etc. It is a very very real evil that is virtually never discussed in political light. Even the rare instances when these victims are found (practically never), they are so mentally lost from all the drugs and torment that after being re-united with their families and going through rehab they are so beyond mentally departed that many either commit suicide or run away and are never heard from again. Since you will probably never hear about this being discussed in politics I suggest doing your own research.

 

[Ratio_Veritatis]

Let’s not forget that every ideologue is dangerous. This should be taken to heart by any religious person.

 

[Captain_America]

I like College Stinks’ point.

I’d also point out that “our” immigration problem has really been to a large extent, Mexico (and other) countries NOT dealing with severe economic injustices. It’s a shame US policy seems to suck up to the Powerful Elites of Mexico.

The US is the pressure relief valve for the rich Mexican elite. Export/externalize losses; privatize/internalize profits.

 

[zz912]

These posts seem rather reasonable. At the heart of capitalism is the concept that competition will drive people to work, and consistent trades will move assets. Both core concepts fail in pure capitalism. For example monopolies stop competition, and trades often occur under duress which violates free trade principles. For an easier example I was just talking with someone at work about the history of drugs in the US a rather stark failure of capitalism. Even today people buy generic vitamins, other chemicals, and supplements, crush re-pill and packages as miracle cures, diet plans, sleep controls…etc. This type of trade is based on trading under a false knowledge, which again is a violation of free trade principles. As was pointed out in the post, traders (commodities, stocks, bonds, etc.) are very much like the core plan of capitalism, while teachers are not.

Btw did you happen to listen to the retired supreme court justices discuss a growing concern on elected judges making rulings of all types on the corporate contributors who supported their election run?

So the answer is, no, you don’t have any facts or data to back up your opinions.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

So the answer is, no, you don’t have any facts or data to back up your opinions.

Of what opinions do you write?

 

[ManOnFire]

I like College Stinks’ point.

I’d also point out that “our” immigration problem has really been to a large extent, Mexico (and other) countries NOT dealing with severe economic injustices. It’s a shame US policy seems to suck up to the Powerful Elites of Mexico.

The US is the pressure relief valve for the rich Mexican elite. Export/externalize losses; privatize/internalize profits.

Do you think the politicians’ failure to deal with the immigration issue is because politicians want more voters? Or because their own country is starving them into poverty?

 

[edowitz1]

Roman Catholic Doctrine Vs. The Doctrinal Teaching of the Word of God

Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]. - Roman Catholicism
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23)

No one can know if he will attain eternal life [1036, 2005] - Roman Catholicism
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God (1 John 5:13)

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846]. - Roman Catholicism
There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and clean the soul [1030-1031]. - Roman Catholicism
Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3)

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception (the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) [490-492].
Mary, a descendant of Adam, was born in sin (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12)

Mary is the Mother of the Church [963, 975]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus ( John 2:1)

The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church. [85-87]. - Roman Catholicism
The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the church (John 14:26; John 16:13, I John 2:27)

The pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 936] - Roman Catholicism
Peter had no successor, nor was he a pope.

The pope is infallible in his authoritative teaching [891]. - Roman Catholicism
God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19)

Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, 182]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, 2 Peter 1:20-21). Tradition is the words of men (Mark 7:1-13).

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the Sacrifice of the Mass. [1364,1405, 1846]. - Roman Catholicism
The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 1:3).

God desires that consecrated bread and wine be worshiped as divine. [1378-1381] - Roman Catholicism
God forbids the worship of any object, even t hose intended to represent Him (Exodus 20:4-5, Isaiah 42:8)

Justification is lost through mortal sin [1033, 1855, 1874] - Roman Catholicism
Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies will be saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8-9).

Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works [1212, 1392, 2010] - Roman Catholicism
Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10).

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments [183, 1129, 1815, 2002]. - Roman Catholicism
Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesians 2:10).

Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life [411, 493]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was a sinner; God alone is sinless (Luke 18:19, Romans 3:23, Revelation 15:4).

Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Christ [496-511]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1:25). Later she had other children (Matthew 13:55-56, Psalm 69:8).

Each Sacrifice of the Mass appeases God’s wrath against sin [1371, 1414]. - Roman Catholicism
The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God’s wrath against sin. (Hebrews 10:12-18).

The Bishops, with the Pope, as their head, rule the universal church. [883, 894-896]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ, the head of the body is the Head of the Church. (Colossians 1:18).

The faithful receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure through the Sacrifice of the Mass [1366, 1407]. - Roman Catholicism
Believers receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure in Christ through faith (Ephesians 1:3-14).

God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and Earth [966]. She is to be praised with special devotion [971, 2675]. - Roman Catholicism
The name of the Lord is to be praised, for He alone is exalted above heaven and earth (Psalm 148:13). God commands, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” (Exodus 20:3).

Mary is the co-mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions 9 968-970, 2677] - Roman Catholicism
Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:13-14, 1 Peter 5:7).

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participate with Christ in the painful act of redemption [618, 964, 968, 970]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass [1323, 1382] - Roman Catholicism
The Sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).

Indulgences dispensed by the Church for acts of piety release sinners from temporal punishment [1471-1473]. - Roman Catholicism
Jesus releases believers from their sins by His blood. (Revelation 1:5).

The Magisterium has the right to define truth found only obscurely or implicitly in revelation. [66, 88, 2035, 2051]. - Roman Catholicism
No one has the right to go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6, Proverbs 30:5-6).

Scripture and Tradition together are the Church’s supreme role of faith [80, 82]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the church’s rule of faith (Mark 7:7-13, 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

 

[Mimi]

ManOnFire,
I don’t think that you understand that the true purpose of oir government-funded school systems is not education but indoctrination.

You should check put the book The Underground History od American Education, which can be found in full online. It is by John Gatto. (I would link it but it’s hard for me to do on this little ipod, but it’s very easy to find.)

Read it online Here:

johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm

I also enjoyed his latest book, Weapons of Mass Instruction.
johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm

Mimi