List of Un-Biblical Catholic Practices

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In a thread started by Sixtus entitled, ironically, “Why do Protestants slander us?”, sandmountainsli posted the following list which he said was e-mailed to him. I already began answering these accusations in the original thread by giving proof that the dates are false. Then I when I got down to the claims of Transubstantiation and Confessions, I realized this list should have its own thread. It’s so blatantly wrong!

Comments anyone?
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sandmountainsli:
Some Catholic practices and the approximate date of their adoption into the church.

Prayers for the dead; about 300​

Making the sign of the cross; 300​

Wax candles; about 320​

Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images; 375​

The Mass as a daily celebration; 394​

Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term “Mother of God” first applied to her by the Council of Ephesus; 431​

Priests began to dress differently from laymen; 500​

Extreme Unction; 526​

The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I; 593​

Latin Language, used in prayer and worship, imposed by Gregory I; 600​

Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints and angels; about 600​

Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by emperor Phocas; 610​

Kissing the pope s foot, began with pope Constantine; 709​

Temporal power of the popes, conferred by Pepin, king of France; 750​

Worship of the cross, images and relics, authorized in; 786​

Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest; 850​

Worship of St. Joseph; 890​

College of Cardinals established; 927​

Baptism of bells, instituted by pope John XIV; 965​

Canonization of dead saints, first by pope John XV; 995​

Fasting of Fridays and during lent; 998​

The Mass, developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory in the 11th century​

Celibacy of the priesthood, decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand); 1079​

The Rosary, mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit; 1090​

The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona; 1184​

Sale of Indulgences; 1190​

Transubstantiation, proclaimed by pope Innocent III; 1215​

Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to God, instituted by pope Innocent III, in Lateran Council; 1215​

Adoration of the wafer (Host), decreed by pope Honorius III; 1220​

Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia; 1229​

The Scapular, invented by Simon Stock, an English monk; 1287​

Cup forbidden to the people at communion by Council of Constance; 1414​

Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence; 1438​

The doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed; 1439​

The Ave Maria (part of the last half was completed 50 years later and approved by pope Sixtus V at the end of the 16th century); 1508​

Jesuit order founded by Loyola; 1534​

Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent; 1545​

Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent; 1546​

Creed of pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed; 1560​

Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, proclaimed by pope Pius IX; 1854​

Syllabus of Errors, proclaimed by pope Pius IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the pope s temporal authority over all civil rulers; 1864​

Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council; 1870​

Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death), proclaimed by Pope Pius XII; 1950​

 
“Wax Candles”

hahahaha
Why are you wasting your time on these silly accusations? We’ve got fish to fry.
 
“Wax Candles”

hahahaha
Why are you wasting your time on these silly accusations? We’ve got fish to fry.
Yeah, I know. But some anti-Catholics actually believe this kind of propaganda. The dates and facts are so easy to refute. Just consider this to be an apologetics “warm up” to stay in shape for the real apologetics work on other threads. 👍
 
Use the magic words: “prove it”.

Have him provide three independent, unbiased and scholarly sources for each date. (I could have been even harder and said “primary sources”).

Oh, and for a great many of these there are some other equally magic words: “so what?” I mean, so what if the rosary was thought up in 1090, or the Jesuits were founded in 1534?

Oh, and that one about the deuterocanonical books being added at Trent is just plain false. Actually, all the books in the bible were added at Trent.
 
Yeah, I know. But some anti-Catholics actually believe this kind of propaganda. The dates and facts are so easy to refute. Just consider this to be an apologetics “warm up” to stay in shape for the real apologetics. 👍
Please tackle away:)
And I would prefer if you called me William rather than “sandmountainsli” 😉
WP
 
Yeah, I know. But some anti-Catholics actually believe this kind of propaganda. The dates and facts are so easy to refute. Just consider this to be an apologetics “warm up” to stay in shape for the real apologetics work on other threads. 👍
Maybe a good approach is to focus on refuting the dates or the implications of a few of the “big” items on the list. Once doubt is cast on some of the big items, the whole list becomes suspect.

BTW, I have read the claim that this list comes from the anti-Catholic bible, Boettner’s “Roman Catholicism”.
 
"Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent; 1546"

FALSE.


The Council of Trent reaffirmed the Canon set at the Councils of Hippo and Carthage in the 4th and 5th centuries because Martin Luther was removing several books from his version of the Bible and labelling them “uninspired” or “apocrypha”.

newadvent.org/fathers/3816.htm

**CANON XXIV. (Greek xxvii.) **
**That nothing be read in church besides the Canonical Scripture. **
**ITEM, that besides the Canonical Scriptures nothing be read in church under the name of divine Scripture. **
**But the Canonical Scriptures are as follows:
  • Genesis
  • Exodus
  • Leviticus
  • Numbers
  • Deuteronomy
  • Joshua the Son of Nun
  • The Judges
  • Ruth
  • The Kings (4 books)
  • The Chronicles (2 books)
  • Job
  • The Psalter
  • The Five books of Solomon
  • The Twelve Books of the Prophets
  • Isaiah
  • Jeremiah
  • Ezechiel
  • Daniel
  • Tobit
  • Judith
  • Esther
  • Ezra (2 books)
  • Macchabees (2 books)
    The New Testament:
  • The Gospels (4 books)
  • The Acts of the Apostles (1 book)
  • The Epistles of Paul (14)
  • The Epistles of Peter, the Apostle (2)
  • The Epistles of John the Apostle (3)
  • The Epistles of James the Apostle (1)
  • The Epistle of Jude the Apostle (1)
  • The Revelation of John (1 book)
    Let this be sent to our brother and fellow bishop, [Pope] Boniface, and to the other bishops of those parts, that they may confirm this canon, for these are the things which we have received from our fathers to be read in church. [This is Canon xxxvj. of Hippo., 393. The last phrase allowing the reading of the “passions of the Martyrs” on their Anniversaries is omitted from the African code.] **
Does this Canon set at Hippo and Carthage in the 4th and 5th centuries look like your Protestant Bible?
 
"Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to God, instituted by pope Innocent III, in Lateran Council; 1215"

**“Father who knowest the hearts of all grant upon this Thy servant whom Thou hast chosen for the episcopate to feed Thy holy flock and serve as Thine high priest, that he may minister blamelessly by night and day, that he may unceasingly behold and appropriate Thy countenance and offer to Thee the gifts of Thy holy Church. And that by the high priestly Spirit he may have authority to forgive sins…” *Hippolytus, Apostolic Tradition, 3 (A.D. 215). ***

"In addition to these there is also a seventh, albeit hard and laborious: the remission of sins through penance…when he does not shrink from declaring his sin to a priest of the Lord**." Origen, Homilies on Leviticus, 2:4 (A.D. 248).

“For although in smaller sins sinners may do penance for a set time, and according to the rules of discipline come to public confession, and by imposition of the hand of the bishop and clergy receive the right of communion: now with their time still unfulfilled, while persecution is still raging, while the peace of the Church itself is not vet restored, they are admitted to communion, and their name is presented; and while the penitence is not yet performed, confession is not yet made, the hands Of the bishop and clergy are not yet laid upon them, the eucharist is given to them; although it is written, ‘Whosoever shall eat the bread and drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.’” Cyprian, To the Clergy, 9 (16):2 (A.D. 250).

“Moreover, how much are they both greater in faith and better in their fear, who, although bound by no crime of sacrifice to idols or of certificate, yet, since they have even thought of such things, with grief and simplicity confess this very thing to God’s priests, and make the conscientious avowal, put off from them the load of their minds, and seek out the salutary medicine even for slight and moderate wounds, knowing that it is written, ‘God is not mocked.’ God cannot be mocked, nor deceived, nor deluded by any deceptive cunning. Yea, he sins the more, who, thinking that God is like man, believes that he evades the penalty of his crime if he has not openly admitted his crime…I entreat you, beloved brethren, that each one should confess his own sin, while he who has sinned is still in this world, while his confession may be received, while the satisfaction and remission made by the priests are pleasing to the Lord?” Cyprian, To the Lapsed, 28-29 (A.D. 251).

“The Church holds fast its obedience on either side, by both retaining and remitting sin; heresy is on the one side cruel, and on the other disobedient; wishes to bind what it will not loosen, and will not loosen what it has bound, whereby it condemns itself by its own sentence. For the Lord willed that the power of binding and of loosing should be alike, and sanctioned each by a similar condition…Each is allowed to the Church, neither to heresy, for this power has been entrusted to priests alone. Rightly, therefore, does the Church claim it, which has true priests; heresy, which has not the priests of God, cannot claim it. And by not claiming this power heresy pronounces its own sentence, that not possessing priests it cannot claim priestly power. And so in their shameless obstinacy a shamefaced acknowledgment meets our view. Consider, too, the point that he who has received the Holy Ghost has also received the power of forgiving and of retaining sin. For thus it is written: ‘Receive the Holy Spirit: whosesoever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them, and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained.’ So, then, he who has not received power to forgive sins has not received the Holy Spirit. The office of the priest is a gift of the Holy Spirit, and His right it is specially to forgive and to retain sins. How, then, can they claim His gift who distrust His power and His right?” Ambrose, Concerning Repentance, I:7-8 (A.D.* 388***).

“All mortal sins are to be submitted to the keys of the Church and all can be forgiven; but recourse to these keys is the only, the necessary, and the certain way to forgiveness. Unless those who are guilty of grievous sin have recourse to the power of the keys, they cannot hope for eternal salvation. Open your lips, them, and confess your sins to the priest. Confession alone is the true gate to Heaven.” Augustine, Christian Combat (A.D. 397).

scripturecatholic.com/confession.html#tradition-I

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Hey, thanks! You just saved me (and anyone else who was interested in refuting these claims) a lot of work. Everything is refuted right there on those links. 👍
You’re Welcome. Sorry if I spoiled it. :o

Just as I said in the former thread, there is a claim that has no relevance to the topic of the list whatsoever,

‘Jesuit order founded by Loyola; 1534’.

Why would Boetner include this line? Did he run out of Doctrines he could supposedly find a date when they were invented? 😃

At least we could nominate this one for, ‘One of the Best (Worst?) Non-Sequitur line ever to appear in Anti-Catholic Literature’.
 
The person who made this list and the people who pass it around don’t have a handle on “reading comprehension”. Check these out:

“Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images; 375

AND

Canonization of dead saints, first by pope John XV; 995

:rotfl:

Apparently, Catholics were venerating “dead saints” over 600 years before the first “dead saint” was canonized. :confused:
 
You’re Welcome. Sorry if I spoiled it.
Not at all. I have something else that needs my attention this evening (outside of these forums). So, you’ve freed up some much-needed time for me to focus on that. 👍
 
:rolleyes: These people are so gullible. :rolleyes:

What this is is nothing more that “the Boettner List” from his classic anti-Catholic bunkum pile “Roman Catholicism”.

Too bad that all you have to do is CLICK THIS LINK to refute it. It’s called “The Boettner List: Fact ot Fiction?”
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum,
 
The person who made this list and the people who pass it around don’t have a handle on “reading comprehension”. Check these out:

“Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images; 375

AND

Canonization of dead saints, first by pope John XV; 995

:rotfl:

Apparently, Catholics were venerating “dead saints” over 600 years before the first “dead saint” was canonized. :confused:
Aha!
I guess Anti-Catholics will suddenly think that the Church thinks that Heaven is,
‘The Dead Saints Society’! 😃

I guess the guy who wrote this list should not be allowed to write a Dictionary. I can see his definition for saints,
‘Saints. n. Dead people worshiped (sic) by Roman Catholics in their Churches’. 😃
 
In a thread started by Sixtus entitled, ironically, “Why do Protestants slander us?”, sandmountainsli posted the following list which he said was e-mailed to him. I already began answering these accusations in the original thread by giving proof that the dates are false. Then I when I got down to the claims of Transubstantiation and Confessions, I realized this list should have its own thread. It’s so blatantly wrong!

Comments anyone?
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Eden:
The Scapulat, invented by Dimon Dtock, an English monk: 1287
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Scapular] Scapular - Catholic Encyclopedia ‘monastic scapular, like the whole monastic habit and indeed the liturgical vestments of the priest, developed from the ordinary clothing of the laity. And, just as the stole is the special sign of the priestly dignity and power, the scapular is now the sign of the monk. In the West, in the case of St. Benedict, the scapular was at first nothing else than a working garment or apron such as was then worn by agricultural laborers. Thus, in the Rule of St. Benedict, it was expressly termed “scapulare propter opera” (**c. xxv in P.L. LXXVI, 771). **From this developed the special monastic garment, to which a hood could be fastened at the back. In fact, the original scapular of the Dominican Order was so made that it acted also as a covering for the head, and thus as a hood. The scapular of the West corresponded to the analabus of the East’’
 

Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia; 1229​

I found this one to be one of the oddest things I have ever heard. How do you think the bible came about? Do you honestly believe that those who brought about the existence of the bible would honestly tell people not to read it!? Also who do you think was out buying the bibles at this time and how?

I really think on this quote one only neeeds to take a step back and think,“okay now in about the 1500’s a couple of men decide that they knew more thatn the Holy Spirit and decided to rearrange the bible to their own liking.” Now in my own opinion that is a bigger red flag than the one stated above.

my two cents.
 

Adoration of the wafer (Host), decreed by pope Honorius III; 1220​

This one is easly refutible. Christains have worshipped the Holy Eucharist (which is Our Lord body, blood, soul and divinity) since the earliest years. Which can be proven very easly by looking at some of the early martyers. One of mine as well as my kids favorite is St Tarcisius whose story you can find here.

ewtn.com/library/MARY/TARCIS.htm
 

Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia; 1229​

-quoted from william

Umm, wasn’t the index of forbidden books not formed until the 1500’s, I mean, in the twelve hundreds, it would have been easier to just hunt down the few copies and destroy them.

And where is Valencia, cause I am pretty sure that this is the supposed council held deep in Moorish Spain. It would be like having our next Eccumenical Council in Baghdad.

A lone Raven
 
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