List of Un-Biblical Catholic Practices

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There is a list of unbiblical catholic practices? :eek: Does it have the imprimatur? Does God know? :bigyikes: Do you think the protestants will nark on us?
 
1- Like Bishop Fulton Sheen once said, not many people hate the Catholic Church, but many hate what they mistakenly think is the Catholic Church.

2- So what if something is not in the bible? John 21: 25 says there are many other things which Jesus did that weren’t written in the bible. Therefore the only way to know these things is to hear from the people who saw Jesus with their own eyes. Which is why the Catholic Church is the built on a firm foundation of apostles and other people like Polycarp,Justin,Ignatious etc, because unlike churches dreamt of in the night and thereafter started in the morning, it has a firm foundation to fall back to.
 
:rolleyes: These people are so gullible. :rolleyes:

What this is is nothing more that “the Boettner List” from his classic anti-Catholic bunkum pile “Roman Catholicism”.

Too bad that all you have to do is CLICK THIS LINK to refute it. It’s called “The Boettner List: Fact ot Fiction?”
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum,
The Mormons, too, make use of this ridiculous list. It can be found in a little book for LDS missionaries, Missionary Pal, pgs. 96-97.
 
Where’s William?

While I have often seen this list used early in debates, I have hardly ever seen it defended. Why is this?
 
From Wolseley on another board:

**1. Prayers for the dead, began about…300 AD.

**The first Scriptural mention of prayers for the dead occurs in the Deuterocanonical book of 2 Maccabees, chapter 12, verses 39 through 46, in which Judas Maccabeus and his men pray for their fallen comrades, that God may forgive the sins of the dead men. 2 Maccabees was written sometime after 124 BC [1], which makes Boettner’s date more than 400 years off.

Examples of Christians offering supplication for the dead are found in grave scripts such as the Epitaph of Abercius, the Bishop of Hierapolis, written in 180 AD. On this grave marker, Abercius asks all who may read his marker to pray for him [2].

Other examples can be found in the works of the Christian apologist Tertullian, who lived approximately from 155 AD to 250 AD. In his work The Crown (211 AD), Tertullian mentions Christians offering sacrifices for the dead on the anniversary of their deaths [3], and makes a similar reference in his work Monogamy (213 AD), where he mentions widows offering prayers and sacrifices for their deceased husbands [4].

In even the very latest of these two examples, Boettner is still nearly a hundred years off.

**2. Making the sign of the cross…300.

**Again we go back to Tertullian’s The Crown of 211 AD: “In all the occupations of our daily lives, we furrow our foreheads with the Sign” [5]. This makes Boettner’s date 89 years off.

[5] Jurgens, pg 151.

3. Wax candles, about…320.

The extant Roman record of the execution of Cyprian of Carthage (Acta Proconsularia) indicates that his funeral included the use of candles and torches; this occured in September of 258, more than 60 years before Boettner’s date [6].

**4. Veneration of angels and saints, and use of images…375.

**The veneration (or respect) paid to angels can be found in the First Apology of Justin Martyr (148 AD). In Chapter VI, he states that “the host of the other good angels who follow and are made like to Him…we worship and adore” [7].

Likewise, Athenagoras of Athens wrote in Chapter X of the Supplication For the Christians (c.177 AD): "Nor is our teaching in what relates to the divine nature confined to these points [the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit]; but we recognize also a multitude of angels and ministers" [8]. It will be noted in both these examples that Boettner is off by approximately 200 years.

The earliest reference to veneration of the saints can be found in The Martyrdom of Polycarp, a document dating from around 155 AD: “Christ we adore, because He is the Son of God. To the martyrs, on the other hand, we offer the love which is due to disciples and ministers of the Lord, on account of their unsurpassable devotion to their King and Lord” [9]. This again makes Boettner’s date 200 years off.

Insofar as images go, both Exodus 25:18 and Numbers 21:8 mention images being constructed at God’s command. Boettner apparently gets his date of 375 AD from Basil the Great, who writes in his treatise The Holy Spirit from that same year that honor paid to an image is honor paid to God Himself [10]. Basil appears to be merely offering a definition of the use of images, however, since images go as far back as the late 2nd century; archaeological discoveries have revealed paintings on the walls of Roman catacombs depicting Christ, the saints, and scenes from Scripture, which gradually developed into frescoes, then mosaics, and finally bas-relief and statues [11]. Eusebius, who lived from 263 to 340 AD, described a statue he had personally seen, depicting Christ healing the woman of Caesarea Philippi (History of the Church, VII, xviii; 300-325 AD). All of these examples place Boettner anywhere from 50 to 200 years off the mark.
 
There is no reason to copy and paste Mr. Wolsley’s excellent article here, since a link was already supplied by CM.
His refutation is one of the best I’ve seen anywhere.
MF
 
Because it is indefensible.
Apparently so. I was just hopeful that one who would use this list would at least have an interest in making sure it was true.

Disappointing.

This is such a systemic symptom of so many Protestant offensives.
 
There is no reason to copy and paste Mr. Wolsley’s excellent article here, since a link was already supplied by CM.
His refutation is one of the best I’ve seen anywhere.
MF
Oh. 😃

I didn’t think links to other boards were allowed.
 
Apparently so. I was just hopeful that one who would use this list would at least have an interest in making sure it was true.

Disappointing.

This is such a systemic symptom of so many Protestant offensives.
It’s just like Da Vinci Code. Lots of people are willing to believe anything that agrees with their prejudices without checking it.
 
Ahhh the infamous Boettner list–evidence that the net has been much more of a boon to Catholics than anti-Catholics. In the old days, anti-Catholics could run this tired playbook over and over again and Catholics without access to good resources would have a difficult time. Now watching them continue to run with this makes them look like Willie E. Coyote with another one of his ridiculous contraptions that always blow up in his face.
 

Making the sign of the cross; 300​

The most evil creation behind satanism and Joe Nameth in a pantyhose commerical. 😛
 
The Mormons, too, make use of this ridiculous list. It can be found in a little book for LDS missionaries, Missionary Pal, pgs. 96-97.
And does this list of the Mormons carry the imprimatur?😃 Probably not as that would be unbiblical.
 
Eden,

I didn’t see the use of rings in marriage on that list; that is a pagan import into the Church. Ask your Protestant friends if they will protest that!
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Eden,

I didn’t see the use of rings in marriage on that list; that is a pagan import into the Church. Ask your Protestant friends if they will protest that!
  • Liberian
Yeah, and I just noticed that he didn’t put “changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday” in there either. Boy, Boettner’s got some 'spainin to do!!
 
In a thread started by Sixtus entitled, ironically, “Why do Protestants slander us?”, sandmountainsli posted the following list which he said was e-mailed to him. I already began answering these accusations in the original thread by giving proof that the dates are false. Then I when I got down to the claims of Transubstantiation and Confessions, I realized this list should have its own thread. It’s so blatantly wrong!

Comments anyone?
Yeah. Whoever sent that list to him, was worshipping Lorraine Boettner, and believes in the doctrine of Boettner Infallibility.

You will notice that that list is missing CITATIONS, and you are expected to accept the list of claims on blind faith (simply because Lorraine Boettner said so!)
 
Wow, I have never seen that list before!!!
I am going to have to rethink my being Catholic !
:hmmm:
umm…
O.K. I’m done, I will stay Catholic.

By the way, where are the other Catholic inventions like the Trinity, and the list of the 27 books of the New Testament, didn’t they make this list?

Oh yeah, shouldn’t this list of “Catholic” Practices actually start with the Practices which were started after the “Roman Catholic Church” was “founded” by Constantine?
 
…By the way, where are the other Catholic inventions like the Trinity, and the list of the 27 books of the New Testament, didn’t they make this list?
Yeah, gee, Boettner must have been having an off day when he wrote that list!!
 
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